As a Met fan, why wouldn't you recognize Yogi? Have you forgotten the "Ya gotta believe!" year of 1973?Yes, as a Mets fan, I can still recognize greatness and class.
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Which player’s stats you think is better?
PLAYER A: 51-47, 3.76, 1.29
PLAYER B: 75-64, 3.91, 1.26
PLAYER A: 51-47, 3.76, 1.29
PLAYER B: 75-64, 3.91, 1.26
EHH... Yogi took over the Mets at the last minute because of tragedy and led them to the World Series. Why wouldn’t Mets fans recognize this?Yes, as a Mets fan, I can still recognize greatness and class.
Reality check here- NS has had exactly 1 year with an ERA over 3.24 Bauer with 5 years over a 4 era 1 year in the high 3's and his two very good years. 2019 for Bauer was a 4.48 - so, does one good year equal a trend upward? 5 of Bauers years were worse that Noah's worst year.
Oh boy- he had a no hitter through 6- well, he couldn't make 7...ended up giving up 4 And we have guys in this thread who pre E'd all over themselves...Let's see Bauer actually ear his money and not over 11 games but a full season. plus 3 era in the NL is not going to be worth $40 mil. And I bet that we can sign Noah for about half that and over the next 7 years Noah>Bauer
And Met's do not need him- he is 100% prima donna
Speaking of ACE's - Trying to think of who may have been the last SP to be the hardest thrower as well as the craftiest? I was think Clemmons but he had guys throwing harder than him. Jake- hitting 100/101 regular now and he is pinpoint and can drop at least 3 different "out" pitches on you.
WTF ARE TALKING ABOUT? What did I say that was offensive to anyone???
Didn’t Yogi take over the Mets after Gil Hodges had a fatal heart attack (during 1972 spring training- which i got wrong) then led the Mets to the 1973 World Series??? For that and for being a NY Legend, he should have his Number 8 retired by the Mets. But I’m an asshole?
Ryan threw harder, Seaver had better command, at least compared to Ryan’s early years.
You guys like Randy throwing harder. And Greg Maddox craftier...Though, Pedro was the best hard throwing pitcher but not the best in either separate category. I also have to say- Pedro is up there in my top 5 pitchers I have ever seen back to the 60's.
Seaver did come to mind but you did have Nolan. But let's say we take the two answers- Pedro was almost 20 years ago and Seaver near 50.
deGrom can easily be discussed as the best at his craft(maddox like) - every single pitch has a purpose. He has three out pitches, and great control of all three- and there is no one else hitting 100 like he does and last couple of years, his fastball has been #1 in MLB. And no matter how you look at it- when the names Seaver and Pedro come up in the same breath...it is as good as it gets.
At least one thing going our way with the COVID weekend- Braves have gone 0-2
Read somewhere this morning that Met's did reach out to deGrom to at least talk about an extension. Which is what I would hope they would do...and it would be smart to do it quietly, unlike the Lindor signing...
Leads to the question...As I believe we would all love a start to finish career of what will most likely be a HOF career. He is 32...What are all of your thoughts on the extension you would offer. He could opt out 2022 and I would be willing to bet someone would give him a huge 5 year deal at that time. Do we do 7 years right now which brings him to the age of 39? Risky, of course but do it knowing that it is possible that years 5-7, he most likely will not be an ACE but a 3-4 guy. Or do we only offer to extend 5 years but break the bank?
Myself- with Cohen's money and what it would mean in the long term for the Met's- I do the long extension so that he doesn't try to hang on an extra year or two and go elsewhere and thus, we do not have him from finish to end.
Leads to the question...As I believe we would all love a start to finish career of what will most likely be a HOF career. He is 32...What are all of your thoughts on the extension you would offer. He could opt out 2022 and I would be willing to bet someone would give him a huge 5 year deal at that time. Do we do 7 years right now which brings him to the age of 39? Risky, of course but do it knowing that it is possible that years 5-7, he most likely will not be an ACE but a 3-4 guy. Or do we only offer to extend 5 years but break the bank?
Myself- with Cohen's money and what it would mean in the long term for the Met's- I do the long extension so that he doesn't try to hang on an extra year or two and go elsewhere and thus, we do not have him from finish to end.
I was talking about extending degrom during the Bauer Fiasco esp since 48 is a true HOFer and contract is a real bargain compared to Bauer. If they can get a guarantee that a younger pitcher like Thor, Stroman, or someone on another team or in farm can be able to can take over the #1 from degrom in his last 2,3 years of that contract, It would be even better.
Its going to be an big issue since Cohen will have to chose which extensions to work on this year: Conforto, deGrom, Syndergaard, maybe Stroman.
If the Mets offer deGrom 7 years, with his history of Tommy John, and a few bouts of arm soreness, I'd make sure to invest in a big insurance policy on the contract.
I look at it this way for hard throwing pitchers. TJ surgery- either you have had it or will get it...
It does seem that quite often, TJ surgery makes a pitcher better...
Even though he’s now throwing 100s, which may make my next sentence moot. But he’s not the flame thrower Thor is/was. This may help him in the long run.
Monday night's game at CBP is sold out.Probably from Mets' fans who didn't/won't get the shots.
That is the thing that about deGrom- Thor is a flame thrower who hasn’t learned to pitch...and previously, he threw harder than deGrom who was a master at his craft when he was throwing 95-96...deGrom has become elite because as he has become an even better pitcher, he now throws flames harder than anyone else as well..
Not sure if I read it that way but Conforto is correct. Even if the Mets sign him and deGrom, maybe one other to a big contract- at some point soon, they will not be able to sign McNeil, Nimmo, Smith, Alonso. So, like many teams that are successful over a long period, there are major changes every 2-3 years.
I agree with what you said. They’re not signing all of those players. Just got to hope the farm continues to grow decent to good MLB players like Rosario, McNeil, Giminez, etc. But he said them instead of we/us. Looking ahead???
Mets are -210 favorites tomorrow night,an almost unheard of line for an early season road start versus at least a decent team.Of course,they're facing Matt Moore,they've got 3 days off,the Phillies' closer is out,the Mets' Opening Day record is the best of all time,etc.So,it's probably a fair price.
The only reason for that line starts with a lower case letter.
Hope they win. But Of course with all of this, they’ll lose 10-8 in a walk off this year.
This sucks, I consider him a home grown building block of this team.
Please, don't go there, lol. Are you one of those who thought of multiple Championships in a 5 year period with The New Core 4? 😁
That is an overreaction IMO. Conforto is being noncommittal, as he should. I know we all want him to talk about how he really really wants to be a Met for life, but that is not how Boras clients talk.
What type of athletes sign with Boras? Those for whom money is the most important factor in negotiations. Not team loyalty, not winning, not geographic or family considerations. Money. Because when it comes to extracting every last dollar in a negotiation, nobody in the world does it better than Scott Boras.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
I agree but if Thor comes back healthy and its between him and Conforto, give Thor the money and let Michael walk. It pains me to say it because I like Conforto but its easier to replace a very good corner outfielder than a very good pitcher.
If the Mets give him a deal equal or better than other offers, I think his preference would be to stay. He may even give a home town discount, but why should he?
if he has a .285 30-35 HR 100 rbi- he will get 7 years at over 160 from someone. And it’s on the Mets, not him, if he gets it elsewhere
Not disagreeing with you but if you give him 22 million or so you are probably not doing the same for Thor. I think they can only afford to re-sign one of the two. To get both re-signed gives you about 100 million in payroll for just 4 players. Unless Cohen is willing to spend like the Dodgers, you have very little payroll flexibility. My point being if we can have only one, all thing being equal with a healthy Thor, I will take the pitching.
I would go out of my way to extend Noah before he comes back. Give him 4/60...if I am Noah- I give that serious consideration. If he has a “blah” comeback- he is still set for life. And $15 per is good if he come back strong. Maybe give him a player opt out in year 3...
To me- I think Conforto is much more important.
Let's not worry about resigning Conforto at this point in time. This team needs to first prove that they can win. They have not made the playoffs since 2106 (where they lost in 1 game). They have only had one season above 500 in the past 4 years. If they aren't doing well by trade deadline, we will be once again be talking about breaking this team up.
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