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OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread
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Since there is no relevant baseball until Friday (I have no interest in any ASG in any sport), and since IMO the draft is the current hot topic, let me take a few moments to address whether the draft is all that meaningful. It is a football cliche that you build through the draft -- is the same true in baseball?
I took a look at the Mets de facto "50 man roster", which is the 40 man, plus the 9 who are on the 60 day IL, plus Cano who is still our problem. How many of those 50 were Mets draftees?
The answer is 15, which is 30%. Here they are:
Round 1 - Brandon Nimmo, 2011
Round 1 - Dominic Smith, 2013
Round 1 - Michael Conforto, 2014
Round 1 - David Peterson, 2017
Round 2 - Pete Alonso, 2016
Round 5 - Thomas Szapucki, 2015
Round 7 - Corey Oswalt, 2012
Round 8 - Tomas Nido, 2012
Round 8 - Patrick Mazeika, 2015
Round 8 - Tylor Megill, 2018
Round 9 - Jacob deGrom, 2010
Round 10 - Luis Guillorme, 2013
Round 12 - Jeff McNeil, 2013
Round 13 - Robert Gsellman, 2011
Round 34 - Seth Lugo, 2011
There are some first rounders as you would expect. But plenty of value in the middle rounds and even Round 34! That will not be repeated as the current draft is only 20 rounds.
We expect Rocker to make it. After that, you never know.
I took a look at the Mets de facto "50 man roster", which is the 40 man, plus the 9 who are on the 60 day IL, plus Cano who is still our problem. How many of those 50 were Mets draftees?
The answer is 15, which is 30%. Here they are:
Round 1 - Brandon Nimmo, 2011
Round 1 - Dominic Smith, 2013
Round 1 - Michael Conforto, 2014
Round 1 - David Peterson, 2017
Round 2 - Pete Alonso, 2016
Round 5 - Thomas Szapucki, 2015
Round 7 - Corey Oswalt, 2012
Round 8 - Tomas Nido, 2012
Round 8 - Patrick Mazeika, 2015
Round 8 - Tylor Megill, 2018
Round 9 - Jacob deGrom, 2010
Round 10 - Luis Guillorme, 2013
Round 12 - Jeff McNeil, 2013
Round 13 - Robert Gsellman, 2011
Round 34 - Seth Lugo, 2011
There are some first rounders as you would expect. But plenty of value in the middle rounds and even Round 34! That will not be repeated as the current draft is only 20 rounds.
We expect Rocker to make it. After that, you never know.
Any discussion on NL adopting the DH? I hope the NL does.
I was dead against it at once but you can't risk injuries to pitchers swinging and/or running the bases.
FWIW, Manfred described the universal DH as a "non-radical change".
I took this a bit further and analyzed how the entire "50 man roster" (40, plus 9 on the 60 day IL, plus Cano) was acquired. The result was pretty disturbing, at least to me.
15 via draft as noted previously.
16 via free agency
14 via trades
5 via waiver claims
WHAT'S MISSING???
What's missing is International Signings. Zero. Zip zilch nada. No Dominican, Venezuelan, etc talent which the rest of MLB is feasting upon. Granted there were two, Rosario and Gimenez, who were recently traded. But even having only two is still pretty lame.
This has been a major failing of the Met organization for years if not decades. Just haven't been aggressive enough in the international market. And by "aggressive", I mean $$$$.
It looks like this deficiency is being addressed. We've got Alvarez and Mauricio coming through the pipeline, along with a few others. We shall see.
You don't know how many times I've wondered why we have never wound up with an Acuna, Vlad Jr, Tatis Jr etc.
Some musings as the second half approaches, understanding that the we are a first place team, I pose the following question: Are the Mets in 1st place because of their talent or because the other teams in the division have struggled?
Will Michael Conforto regain his stroke or is this a lost year for him?
Can Tylor Megill become more efficient and evolve into a solid 4th or 5th starter?
Will Pete Alonso become a force in the 2nd half coming off his HR Derby performance?
If you are the Mets and can make only one trade at the deadline do you go for a starter, a reliever or a slugging 3B?
Will Michael Conforto regain his stroke or is this a lost year for him?
Can Tylor Megill become more efficient and evolve into a solid 4th or 5th starter?
Will Pete Alonso become a force in the 2nd half coming off his HR Derby performance?
If you are the Mets and can make only one trade at the deadline do you go for a starter, a reliever or a slugging 3B?
1) Mets are in first place because the other teams have struggled.
2) Conforto will regain his stroke, have a big second half, and get paid by somebody.
3) Megill will become an efficient fourth or fifth starter. Unfortunately, not this year.
4) Alonso is a force now, somewhat. But he won't become more of a force. The league has figured him out. His HR Derby performance is irrelevant.
5) Well we only have three starters, and you need five, so...
Carrasco and Megill as 4/5 is fine. If we can pick up another depth starter to stash in AAA that would be nice. Would love another RP. 3B we can make due but Bryant would be amazing.
Yeah, I'm good with Carrasco/Megill. I think we need an upgrade from Castro in the RP. I'm not sold on Bryant at crunch in October 2021 as we discussed (despite his 2016) - if we can get him reasonably, fine, but I doubt it.
I’m actually fine with Villar at third…even over Davis. Mets need another starter…especially for when the next one goes down or when deGrom and Walker come back to earth a little.
GO BIG old time Blockbuster
Bryant Hendricks Kimbrel
what would you offer ????
They’d want Top SS prospect , so they can trade Baez . A pitcher and JD Davis
I’d want permission to speak to Bryant for 3-4 hours about a 3 year 70-80 million deal.
I’m assuming Mets know who they want to keep. Davis Villar McNeil
Do they plan on eating almost all of Cano’s money and trade him in the off-season
Do they have plans to just release Cano and eat all 60 mil for nothing.
DH is in , you are keeping Cano
Do Mets or a another team believe in Peterson ?
Does DH solve the Dom and Pete situation
Do you trade Dom in one of those blockbuster deals to get a 28-32 year old legit #2/3 starter ??
TONS of options
Lots of talent
Lots of depth
Bryant Hendricks Kimbrel
what would you offer ????
They’d want Top SS prospect , so they can trade Baez . A pitcher and JD Davis
I’d want permission to speak to Bryant for 3-4 hours about a 3 year 70-80 million deal.
I’m assuming Mets know who they want to keep. Davis Villar McNeil
Do they plan on eating almost all of Cano’s money and trade him in the off-season
Do they have plans to just release Cano and eat all 60 mil for nothing.
DH is in , you are keeping Cano
Do Mets or a another team believe in Peterson ?
Does DH solve the Dom and Pete situation
Do you trade Dom in one of those blockbuster deals to get a 28-32 year old legit #2/3 starter ??
TONS of options
Lots of talent
Lots of depth
This is supposed to be Omar Minaya's specialty. And it is exactly where we need to focus. I think we are doing very well in the drafts now, if we can beef up the international- we can be a real force.
Bryant Hendricks and Kimbrel means you are taking two rental players as I believe both Bryant and Kimbrel are up after the season. Hendricks is under contract for another 3 years at about $14.5 million per year. Could replace Stroman. I think you could get the package for Maurico, plus some other prospects (Not Baty, Allen or Alvarez) if and its a big if, the Mets were to take back Jason Heyward in the deal. That would be $44.5 Million over the next two years for a guy whose skills disappeared faster than a UFO. Add him to Cano and we have $50 million of dead money for two years.
On the surface it seems really bad money wise, but if you think about it, Hendricks replaces Stroman next year which will save a little money. Bryant and Kimbrel are FA's and don't need to be resigned. We are on the hook for Cano no matter what, so the wildcard would be Heyward. If you let Conforto walk and slot in Heyward, the money almost becomes a wash. Granted Heyward has diminished greatly but he can still play right field or slot him and Cano at DH part time.
I want to win now and this season with the entire NL East struggling we have a prime opportunity to make something happen. I know this bursts our cap bubble for this year but the stars have aligned and we need to go for it.
Kimbrel's contract is close to kicking in for $16M for 2022 if I heard right yesterday. Others know more about this stuff than I do but here's a link: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/craig-kimbrel-7233/
Did not see the option. Thought he signed for three years in 2019. Even if he is signed for that next year, still a take.
Yeah, I'd prefer Kimbrel to Bryant. Losing stomach for Castro, May, etc.
Saw this on line regarding Davis "Glovework is an issue with regard to Davis, who made three errors in his first 13 games at third base this season and carries an overall career mark of -21 Defensive Runs Saved there in just 864 innings."
I am guessing its between Peraza and the Beard to go down. Both have options. McKinney could be another candidate but he is out of options. Lets hope we can build a lead and sit JD after the 7th.
I am guessing its between Peraza and the Beard to go down. Both have options. McKinney could be another candidate but he is out of options. Lets hope we can build a lead and sit JD after the 7th.
Disagree. Villar has 18 rbi s to date. Can’t win with minimal production at 3b. Villar is a role player. Need an upgrade at 3b whether it’s JD Davis / Kris Bryant or Story as well as another SP. Time will tell.
Agree- Villar has become our version of C Dodd. Now- that is not to say that I don't want him on the team...The guy is the perfect Utility player on a championship type of team.
T Story- What I heard in the HR derby would scare me the F away from him if I am a GM. First- he K's at Judge rate and then all they talked about during the HR derby is how he had to pull the ball to go for the short fence. This is a guy playing at Coors field and his power numbers rely on a short fence. What is he going to do at a real ball park?
Its interesting. If you look at the last full season each played, 2019, here are some stats:
JD Davis: .307 avg. 22 HR 57 RBI in 140 games.
Jon Villar: .274 avg. 24 HR 73 RBI in 111 games.
Villar gives you speed and better defense as well. Based on that I might be inclined to go with Villar.
Chris Moore brought up this:The Mets have played only 18 games against teams with a better than a .500 record,by far the lowest number in the bigs.
You can look at it this way, the Mets are 8-10 against teams above .500, and that's without an offense. Injuries have robbed this team of having continuity in the lineup. Come Friday will be the first time since opening day the Mets have every position player healthy and ready to rock & roll. We saw the run production go from 3 runs a game to just under 6 since Nimmo has been back. That could be a great sign of what's to come in the 2nd half of the season. The one player I'm worried about is Conforto. It's a contract year, and it's messing with his head.
Not saying JD is the answer but Villar is not. As Yes Rutgers posted above, Villar is a perfect utility role player. Can’t be a starting 3b for a playoff contender.
I want Bryant as I stated earlier. But failing that I prefer Villar to JD since the team has been winning with pitching and defense.
Probably too much than I'd want to give. I'm a big prospect hugger so most likely would pass but if we did get him it's a monster get.
JD Davis homered tonight in what I assume is his final rehab appearance. Hitting .316 in AAA with a 1.208 OPS. He appears to be ready.
Well the man can hit - we just need a DH. 😫
One last draft note if I may. With the exception of their 2nd round pick Calvin Ziegler, all the Mets picks were collegians. Mostly college seniors who are out of eligibility and thus have little negotiating leverage. They generally sign below slot value, which offsets going over slot value with Rocker.
This "quality over quantity" drafting approach was one positive that BVW brought to the Mets, and which the Mets have apparently retained.
This "quality over quantity" drafting approach was one positive that BVW brought to the Mets, and which the Mets have apparently retained.
Mets announce that starting July 30, they will be reprising the black jerseys on Friday nights.
Personally not a fan unless of course black is your team color. Much prefer the blue, which have not been worn at home this year, and apparently will not be.
Personally not a fan unless of course black is your team color. Much prefer the blue, which have not been worn at home this year, and apparently will not be.
I generally prefer collegians as they have matured physically, had more time to develop and be evaluated, and are likely closer to being MLB ready.. HS kids are a more of a crap shoot. I agree with the earlier post that Mets have generally missed the boat in international signings.
For some reason, I always equate the black jersey with Mike Piazza
Yep, my favorite jersey due to my favorite MLB player ever (only slips from favorite player overall due to the lack of a ring, which was certainly no fault of his).
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