We been trading away our outfield prospects for the last few seasons going back to BVW's Cano deal. This is why I think we should sign Baez and trade Vientos and / or Maurico as part of a package to get an outfielder back in the offseason.
OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread
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Phillies lost to Arizona. Braves almost gave up an 11-3 lead in the 9th, but won 11-9.
Mets need to hang within 3 games of Atlanta and sweep them in the last series of the season. You gotta believe!
Mets need to hang within 3 games of Atlanta and sweep them in the last series of the season. You gotta believe!
Wait, you must be sarcastic right? You flip flop more than Dr. Fraudci does, lol.
One last note on prospects. Here's the updated Top 100 list.
Mets have three on the list: #10 Alvarez, #49 Baty, and #58 Mauricio. Allan fell off the list, no doubt due to his injury.
Mets have three on the list: #10 Alvarez, #49 Baty, and #58 Mauricio. Allan fell off the list, no doubt due to his injury.
For those who have been telling me to be more positive about stuff…
No matter how many top 100 prospect lists you read, or no matter how many times you review minor league stats, the truth won’t change. The Mets need to drastically improve the talent in their minor league system.One last note on prospects. Here's the updated Top 100 list.
Mets have three on the list: #10 Alvarez, #49 Baty, and #58 Mauricio. Allan fell off the list, no doubt due to his injury.
Yes that's what happens when you deal prospects in bad trades.
One run is not fun
One run will not get it done
One run, home team won
Offense is lacking
The bats-they are not smacking
The fans are packing
One run will not get it done
One run, home team won
Offense is lacking
The bats-they are not smacking
The fans are packing
At 10:10 tonight the Mets will take flight
You will all watch them put up a fight
A win is a must to keep them in the fuss.
Remember, The Mets are not slumping, they’re just not winning
You will all watch them put up a fight
A win is a must to keep them in the fuss.
Remember, The Mets are not slumping, they’re just not winning
As your father once said:
"You can't win all the time. There are guys out there who are better than you."
Fun start to season
Then we forgot how to hit
Nice while it lasted
Then we forgot how to hit
Nice while it lasted
Not really. It happens by not drafting and signing enough talented amateurs in the first place. Once you do that well, once you stock your minor league system with many good prospects, you can trade some of them—even very good ones—for other players. Those trades only become “bad” if you don’t get good value back, or if you don’t have enough good prospects left in your system to fill a significant part of your major league roster. If you have a good minor league system in place, you can even withstand a “bad” trade or two and still have a good system.
If the Mets put in place a top front office that can collect talent in the minor leagues, a lot of these issues go away.. But they haven’t had that over the last several years, so I wouldn’t spend too much time stressing over the few, limited prospects that they have in their system at the moment.
Warming up for the upcoming Temple Haiku!
It is not over
Pete says Mets fans should have faith
Ya gotta believe
I figured out Pete earlier this year—right around the time that he spat out his conspiracy theory about the owners as if he was stating dead-on facts to people who didn’t know enough to understand. Here it is: he ain’t too bright; in fact, there’s a box of rocks in there. He’s a very good player and he seems to be a good guy. But dumb as a stump. Understand that, and you’ll understand how to take everything he says. Just think to yourself, “Ah, Pete’s speaking again. Good for him. That’ll help. We encourage that. Now go hit.”
And at least he is hitting. Pete and Nimmo. Fairly consistently.
Lindor is another rah rah guy. His presence is sorely missed.
BVW traded away half their top prospects and even the mid range ones that could be helping out now. The system was stocked pretty well before he decimated it. Sandy and Zack didn't help with the recent deal of PCA and handling of the Rocker situation. Even with all that they're still not a bottom 10 farm thanks to the strength of first 6 or so players and their upsides. Of course they need to continue to draft well but they didn't do that this year.
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I won't watch. I'll look for some football on. Or a movie. Buehler against the Mets bats again.......nah I'll pass. Not exactly must see TV.
Other options:
Jaws on AMC
Schitt's Creek-Comedy Central
Ridiculousness-MTV
Metal Mayhem-MTV Classics
The Mets fit right in with several of those titles/themes.
Part of this is not accidental. BVW had implemented, and Alderson/Scott have continued, a "quality over quantity" drafting strategy. They have gone over slot value in the early rounds, and scrimped later on.
Also, the Mets are playing catch up in terms of international scouting and signings. This is one area where I gotta give the Evil Empire their due.
All of this manifested itself in the Kris Bryant negotiations. Cubs wanted two high level prospects. Both Giants and Mets gave the Cubs a list of second tier prospects, and invited them to pick two. Cubs reportedly had no interest in the Mets list.
But it’s ALWAYS the pitchers fault if they give up two runs!!! They should know by now that they have to pick up the slack…
Like, DUHHHH!!!!🙄
Until Cohen blows up the front office hires Theo or people from Tampa Bay to rebuild the entire organization from Top to Bottom, it’s going to be the SOS if Alderson still have a job with the Mets in 2022.
Yeah, but you just complimented Sandy with your "stocked pretty well" statement. As far as Crow-Armstrong, you don't know. The kid could be a complete bust.
Also, not being in the bottom ten minor league systems is not a meaningful accomplishment, not unless your goal is to not be in the bottom ten teams in baseball. The Mets are there right now, so congratulations.
Mets need a better front office and a long term revampting of their minor leagues. And you don't judge their minor leagues by the dozens of internet sources that like to rate prospects and get your clicks. What ultimately matters will be whether the Mets collected players who turn into the types of major leaguers that win you championships. Whether you like it or not, that changeover is going to take time. It starts with good decisions on revamping the front office this off season.
I was mostly agreeing with what you said earlier. I wasn't saying not a bottom 10 farm is a good thing just that even after BVW dealt a lot of minor leaguers that we still didn't totally bottom yet due to the strength of the guys we have left.
Correct the prospect rankings are for clicks but they're also going to be pretty close to how the front office also views them. Yes they know more so it's not 100% but it's a good indicator.
I agree on the front office revamp.
I wonder if they could have made this deal without the other highly regarded prospect if they would have taken salary off the Cubs. My understanding is both Bryant and Baez are being paid by the Cubbies. Just speculating on my part but I wonder if Cohen will be willing to go over the luxury tax threshold in the off season. We were $10 million under this year but we did not have to pay Cano. Next year Cano is back and so is his salary, so they either cut payroll to stay below the number or blow through it. Thanks again BVW.
From what I had heard and read, the answer is no. The Cubs were not interested in dumping salary. They were willing to pay the full freight in order to maximize the value of the prospects coming back.
With Lindor around very long term and Baty and Vientos I would try to see if Mauricio can play some OF.
I would add that for 2021, Mets already have one foot in luxury tax hell. They are already committed to over $127M to just eight players under contract! They are:
DeGrom - $36M
Lindor - $34.1M
Cano - $20.25M (net of Seattle rebate)
Carrasco - $12M
McCann - $8.15M
Walker - $8M
May - $7.75M
Pillar - $1.4M (buyout of mutual option)
That alone puts the Mets at about the midpoint of the MLB salary scale.
I think Cohen has no choice but to blow through the luxury tax threshold next year. Especially if, as has been rumored, the threshold is reduced next year as part of the MLBPA negotiations.
DeGrom - $36M
Lindor - $34.1M
Cano - $20.25M (net of Seattle rebate)
Carrasco - $12M
McCann - $8.15M
Walker - $8M
May - $7.75M
Pillar - $1.4M (buyout of mutual option)
That alone puts the Mets at about the midpoint of the MLB salary scale.
I think Cohen has no choice but to blow through the luxury tax threshold next year. Especially if, as has been rumored, the threshold is reduced next year as part of the MLBPA negotiations.
Vientos has played some OF. Mauricio has strictly been SS. I wonder if Mets are using him exclusively at the premium position in order to maximize his trade value?
That Gran Torino was awesome.
David Soul had a hit with "Don't Give up on Us" Pete Alonso should sing that to the fans!
Before we go shifting the guy around, let's see if he can even hit first. Lifetime .258 average in the minor leagues, A level and below.
Mets claim veteran righty reliever Heath Hembree on waivers. He used to be good. The major takeaway from this transaction is how they made room for him on the 40 man. They moved deGrom to the 60 day IL. Soonest he can return is mid September. I doubt anyone believes he will.
Brings up some interesting choices. Do you re-sign Stroman? Do you offer Thor and Conforto qualifiers? Do you attempt to sign Baez? Seems like the owners are trying to reduce the tax threshold to $180 million. Can't see the PA agreeing to that.
I wonder if Cohen, based upon his most recent tweet is thinking of a major overhaul in the off season as he feels these guys have underperformed.
Should be an interesting off-season.
From what I have read, MLB is offering the MLBPA a team salary floor of $100M. Everybody would have to spend $100M, and the have-nots would be subsidized by those who go over $180M. I don't see it happening but who knows.
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