OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread
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Brings nothing to the table, weak defense and useless in the clutch
1) If you do not want the large majority of the Mets players, why would anyone else?
2) A one-year rebuild requires you have a cadre of minor leaguers ready to step in. The Mets do not. The youngsters are all at least a year away. Remember watching Khalil Lee trying to hit major league pitching? Multiply that by five.
3) Agree with your other points.
4) Bottom line question is: does Uncle Steve have the stomach for a multi year rebuild? I'm guessing no.
Baez is our second best hitter behind Alonso. Yes he strikes out but he also has 22 hrs and 60+ RBIs. Not many Mets on the team are even close to those numbers
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Too late for this. Most of the players have lost their value. Other than maybe Alonso, everyone else has lost most of their trade value from the beginning of the year. Like I said in April/May, if we don't dismantle this team at that time, we will take a team which can be rebuilt in 2-3 years to a 5-10 year rebuild. We are now in a 10 year rebuild phase. This team has no "it" factor. They have no leadership skills. They have no vocal leader. The problems with this team are the same ones since 2016 and have not been fixed. Now, it is too late to get any value from most of these guys.
10 year rebuild? I assume you are using hyperbole to make a point.
Mets post game duo doing their best to rally round the flag. They started by discussing the Mets ninth inning "rally". Honest. They called a HBP, a flyout, and 2 Ks a rally. They then moved on to admiring Hill's 5 inning 3 run performance.
I don't think the offseason fix is as drastic as some people suggest. We need a CF who can defend. Nimmo can be moved to a corner spot and either Conforto can walk to save cash or Dom can be traded. Can't keep both and would prefer Conforto based upon his track record. Smith has had two bad years out of the last three. Hopefully we can trade for an outfield bat.
As far as the infield goes, I think you need to sig Baez or the trade was a complete waste. Let Baez play 2B with Lindor at SS and Polar Bear at 1B. JD and McNeil can platoon at third. McCann will catch and if your offense is firing, his D makes up for the lack of plate production. Cano will have to DH.
Pitching needs to get Noah signed for a year either or a qualifier or a pillow contract. Similar to Stroman's situation last year. A staff of Jake, Noah, Walker Megill and Carrasco should suffice in the NL East. Stroman unfortunately probably walks as the money for the team above, without reference to the bullpen is going to be either at the cap or over it. I would be satisfied if they could keep the current BP together.
If Cohen decides to go on a spending spree, I would target Bryant in FA. I wanted him over Baez due to his versatility. He can play left field, third base or first base. He hits in the clutch and has leadership ability. Unfortunately, other than Baez, who I feel is a must sign because I hate the idea of giving up PCA for nothing, I don't think the Mets add any major FA's; and in my opinion Baez stays only if Conforto walks to offset the money. With Cano and his 30 million back we probably just don't have the cash for a major splash. Any OF help is going to have to come in the form of a trade. Of our top prospects, Allan, Alvarez and Baty have to be untouchable. Everyone else is fair game. Still say we should have gambled the 6 million on Rocker.
As far as the infield goes, I think you need to sig Baez or the trade was a complete waste. Let Baez play 2B with Lindor at SS and Polar Bear at 1B. JD and McNeil can platoon at third. McCann will catch and if your offense is firing, his D makes up for the lack of plate production. Cano will have to DH.
Pitching needs to get Noah signed for a year either or a qualifier or a pillow contract. Similar to Stroman's situation last year. A staff of Jake, Noah, Walker Megill and Carrasco should suffice in the NL East. Stroman unfortunately probably walks as the money for the team above, without reference to the bullpen is going to be either at the cap or over it. I would be satisfied if they could keep the current BP together.
If Cohen decides to go on a spending spree, I would target Bryant in FA. I wanted him over Baez due to his versatility. He can play left field, third base or first base. He hits in the clutch and has leadership ability. Unfortunately, other than Baez, who I feel is a must sign because I hate the idea of giving up PCA for nothing, I don't think the Mets add any major FA's; and in my opinion Baez stays only if Conforto walks to offset the money. With Cano and his 30 million back we probably just don't have the cash for a major splash. Any OF help is going to have to come in the form of a trade. Of our top prospects, Allan, Alvarez and Baty have to be untouchable. Everyone else is fair game. Still say we should have gambled the 6 million on Rocker.
I rather do this than do stupid trades like Lindor, Baez, Cano. How lucky are we that Conforto waited until next offseason to sign? Get rid of McNeil, Davis, Nimmo, keep Walker, sign Stroman, honestly don’t know about Thor unless you make him a closer. Get people from Tampa’s front office and rebuild the farm.
Mr Cohen don't you dare waste 1 penny on signing J. Baez. What's done is done. The trade for the minor leaguer is sunk cost and only the future will tell how good or not the minor leaguer will turn out to be. Move forward. Start rebuilding the team by doing a deep dive into the Training Staff. I also pulled a hammy on the couch watching the Mets. Took me months to recover. Watching the Mets is a painful and dangerous event. These injuries are no Fluke.
Back to Baez. He is the least responsible player on this team for the mess that the Mets are in. That being said, J. Baez has literally the worst swing in MLB. Yes, Baez is a great athlete, excellent fielder and hits for power. The problem is his swing and striking out 160+ times a season. He swings so hard I'm surprised he doesn't piledrive himself into the dirt. I highly doubt his eyes are open when he swings due to his complete disregard for the strike zone. It's also a long and looping swing, except he's not as tall as Dave Kingman. His contact futility is legendary. Pitchers love pitching to him because he never saw a pitch he didn't like to miss the bat with. The swing improves the pitchers stats. Mr. Cohen if you sign J. Baez Citi Field will become the graveyard of this young man's career. Please have mercy on J. Baez, the Mets and their fans.
Back to Baez. He is the least responsible player on this team for the mess that the Mets are in. That being said, J. Baez has literally the worst swing in MLB. Yes, Baez is a great athlete, excellent fielder and hits for power. The problem is his swing and striking out 160+ times a season. He swings so hard I'm surprised he doesn't piledrive himself into the dirt. I highly doubt his eyes are open when he swings due to his complete disregard for the strike zone. It's also a long and looping swing, except he's not as tall as Dave Kingman. His contact futility is legendary. Pitchers love pitching to him because he never saw a pitch he didn't like to miss the bat with. The swing improves the pitchers stats. Mr. Cohen if you sign J. Baez Citi Field will become the graveyard of this young man's career. Please have mercy on J. Baez, the Mets and their fans.
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Just get rid of that fraud JD Davis just for that. And for this puss poor throw and curses out Pete Alonso for not saving it…
Agree that the trade was stupid regardless of how Crow turns out.
As for Davis and Conforto, no. I'd take my chances with Conforto, except I don't like his Agent and the Mets would end up over-paying to resign a player that simply can't perform through an entire season, notwithstanding this season of which he hasn't performed at all. Davis is one of the guys that will play his career on a dozen or so teams.
I was exaggerating, but not completely. Any type of rebuild will take more than 5 years. The question we should be asking is which players should we keep? My guess is Alonso, Lindor (can’t trade that contract), Cano (can’t trade that contract), McCann (can’t trade that contract) and some of the young guys like Megill and minor leaguers. Rest of the guys should be traded. Like I said before, unfortunately the guys have lost a lot of their value (including deGrom) and our minor league farm system is not that good which means it will be a long rebuild. Even if we can restock the minor leagues, it will take 2-3 years before those players come to the big leagues and another 2-3 years in the majors before that team would contend. And that is if things go perfectly.
My assessment of Dodger Stadium and it’s fans as I was at game today :
- Very seedy crowd. Dodger Stadium fans do not have a good reputation. If you ever go to a game buy expensive seats to avoid the riff raff
- Nice stadium but Very old. Many amenities lacking such as bathrooms and food stations.
- We sat in loge ( 2nd level) and can see whole field unlike many sections at Citifield
- Lots of Met fans at game including 4 sections of 7 Line Army in upper deck
- JD Davis is awful.
- Can anyone with the exception of Alonso and Nimmo hit on this team?
- Hope Lindor and Baez play tomorrow. Not going to the game tomorrow but would have loved to have seen them back in the lineup
- Dodgers are some team though their bullpen to me is questionable after Jansen.
- Very seedy crowd. Dodger Stadium fans do not have a good reputation. If you ever go to a game buy expensive seats to avoid the riff raff
- Nice stadium but Very old. Many amenities lacking such as bathrooms and food stations.
- We sat in loge ( 2nd level) and can see whole field unlike many sections at Citifield
- Lots of Met fans at game including 4 sections of 7 Line Army in upper deck
- JD Davis is awful.
- Can anyone with the exception of Alonso and Nimmo hit on this team?
- Hope Lindor and Baez play tomorrow. Not going to the game tomorrow but would have loved to have seen them back in the lineup
- Dodgers are some team though their bullpen to me is questionable after Jansen.
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They can pay Canó to walk away for less than we owe on the two years. And we can eat some of the mccann money and get back a marginal prospect.
Can't qualify Baez as he was acquired in the final year of his contract.
The flip side is that if we sign a FA who was traded in the final year of his contract (Bryant?) we don't lose a draft pick.
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Yep. You only forfeit a draft pick if you sign a FA who received a qualifying offer. Players traded at midseason cannot get one. Neither can players like Stroman who had previously accepted one.
The Mets have returned to being the Mets. They are in the worst division in baseball and now are finally playing some good teams and they are struggling to get wins.
There is something seriously wrong with the training snd condyionkng regimen throughout the system. Of course injuries will occur but whether it’s the players, trainers, doctors, or whoever, what has happpned with the Mets this year is simply put not normal and at least some of it could be avoided.
Their luck caught up to them…
Their pitching couldn’t carry the horrid offense all the way through, esp with the bullpen getting blown up after getting overworked all year…
But remember this was Chilli Davis’ fault that the hitters got worse after they fired him. And also it was his fault that they messed up the trading deadline and didn’t sign up their first round pick.
All about the depth of the team and the horrible training staff. Arguably 3 of your 4 best players have been on the DL for awhile (Jake, Baez and Lindor). Would also invest in a team Psychiatrist. JD and Squirrel are the worst team players. JD I believe is now 0-6 with SIX strikeouts when he is up with the bases loaded. Instead on concentrating on bettering himself he is screaming at Pete for not saving his horrible throw to first. Done with Jeff pouting. Villar gets props for actually getting on base but has zero idea what to do when he gets there. We are now playing with our 3rd and 4th string catchers.
All that said, still will watch until the bitter end.
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Again I do not think we need a drastic rebuild. The pitching we assembled carried us for 2/3 of the season despite the lack of hitting. We need better outfield production and better outfield D. Our outfield has 24 home runs combined. That might be ok if we were the 85 Cardinals and had speed and D in the outfield; but this group is just unacceptable for today's game.
Also if you sign Baez to play 2B you are strong in the middle infield defensively. McCann is a double play machine but his D has been a great deal better than what we had. Let him be the placeholder for Alvarez.
Also if you sign Baez to play 2B you are strong in the middle infield defensively. McCann is a double play machine but his D has been a great deal better than what we had. Let him be the placeholder for Alvarez.
Could not agree with you more. He was the only player mentioned that I absolutely did not want at the deadline even if he was given to the Mets. Only a very good hitting team can afford to have him in the lineup regardless of his HRs. Only the Mets, who strike out a ton and can’t score runs would stick the major league strikeout leader in the cleanup spot. I also worry about Lindor and him smiling, hot dogging, and high-fiving their way the many 4th place finishes to come.
We definitely disagree on Baez. I think he and Lindor when BOTH healthy will be a very formidable DP combo up the middle. He is second on the team in Hrs and RBIs I believe. Regarding having fun…..rather that hen watching Jeff and JD sulk. Having fun many times can keep a player loose. JD had zero fun at the plate with the bases loaded. 0-6 with SIX strikeouts unbelievable.
Pete Alonso to the IL
Alonso going on the IL with 8 herniated discs from carrying dead weight on his back.
Alonso going on the IL with 8 herniated discs from carrying dead weight on his back.
Don’t disagree with their defense. They are both top notch. Kind of resent that it seems they brought Baez in to be Lindor’s “buddy”…as if $321 million isn’t enough incentive…all while being a huge disappointment.
Regarding McNeil and Davis, I can’t agree with you more. Can’t wait until they are gone….along with Conforto. Another team will know how to get the best ur of all of them so I won’t regret it either.
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