OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread
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Lol. You kidding me. What a joke. Mighty Casey powers one way back. There it goes. Right to second base. Game over season over.
I witnessed an absolutely baffling approach to hitting off a side arm pitcher last night.
The Mets should hire Bill Madlock as a hitting consultant immediately.
The Mets should hire Bill Madlock as a hitting consultant immediately.
While I agree with the concept- my take is that deGroom was miss handled this year and certain he has 3-4 more monster years ahead of him. Even more sure of it if we ever traded him away. Pete, Lindor, Nimmo are the guys I also build around but would prefer to actually sign Baez then to go cheap and put Mauricio to 2B. Mauricio will be one of my bargaining chips. I think we live with McCann as our starter another couple of years with Alvarez heir apparent. Pitchers seem good with him behind the plate, he does throw out runners and can give you enough offense. As you state- give Conforto and Noah qualifying offers. I do sign Stroman but be smart about it. Bart, Alvarez and a couple of the pitchers are guys I am holding onto to bring up to the club.
go heavy into FA’s for a couple of years and trade a bunch of the other guys that still have club control for as many prospects as possible.
Cano- pay him off and we 100% need to either find the guy to make the real baseball moves under Sandy or kick Sandy to the curb altogether. Heard someone say it best about him- “he gets it, but usually after everyone else”
My recommendation. Bring in a top front office and let them do their job.
That was the plan all along. They didn't get it done last year because... it was too hard? If at first you don't succeed...
The Yankees knock off the team the Mets are chasing twice, and the Metropolitans fail to take advantage. Last night the Giants give the Mets five outs and Lindor & Alonzo fail to get the tying run home let alone the game winner. Its easy to blame Rojas, but to me this debacle is on the players themselves. Is this the Peter Principle in action?
If you are suggesting the Peter Principle is in play here, sounds like you are blaming the person who put Rojas in his position. That person is gone. I am quite certain that his error, if you want to call it that, will be rectified soon.
Plenty of blame to go around. Rojas has been a terrible manager since he started but it was masked by some of the bench players stepping up, deGrom’s pitching, etc. The starting lineup has been atrocious but who’s decision has it been to bat Ordonez Lite 2nd and 3rd all year when it’s becoming apparent he can’t produce in NY. Similar for Conforto, who should have been batting 8th most of the year. Now he bats the league leader in strikeouts in the cleanup spot, which could work for a solid lineup, but further destroys this one. Rojas also has destroyed the bullpen until their arms fall off by not allowing starters to go into the middle of games.
Let's start with a new GM and a fresh prospective from that person on the talent. I only hope that we get someone like Epstein as opposed to a BVW.
After that let the new GM select the manager. I want someone with experience, not someone who is learning on the job.
As far as the talent goes, the pitching would have been fine except for the unprecedented number of injuries. No team has the depth to account for 10 starters going on the IL; including Jake, Noah and Cookie, who in a normal year would be 1, 2 and 3 in the rotation.
With Baty and Alvarez coming on, you bring in a 3B or catcher unless you do think those guys will pan out. They have to have a chance to play, maybe as early as mid season next year. 1B and SS are not going anywhere, McNeil and JD can hold down 3B for Baty and McCann does the same for Alvarez.
We have to upgrade 2B, LF, RF and CF. Smith is not the answer in LF nor in my opinion at DH. Seems like he regressed from a year ago. Nimmo is fine as a corner OF but we need better D in center. If you can trade for a CF, move Nimmo to left and qualify Conforto but if he walks so be it. Would love to see the Mets go after Castellenos for the OF.
I again think we have to sign Baez or the trade is a total waste. Baez takes over second and we get two years of Cano at DH. If the Mets knew Jake was done, then they should have announced it prior to the deadline and not made the Baez move.
I try to move Smith along with one of McNeil /JD platoon for a good outfielder. I just hope that Cohen is willing to go over the luxury tax threshold.
After that let the new GM select the manager. I want someone with experience, not someone who is learning on the job.
As far as the talent goes, the pitching would have been fine except for the unprecedented number of injuries. No team has the depth to account for 10 starters going on the IL; including Jake, Noah and Cookie, who in a normal year would be 1, 2 and 3 in the rotation.
With Baty and Alvarez coming on, you bring in a 3B or catcher unless you do think those guys will pan out. They have to have a chance to play, maybe as early as mid season next year. 1B and SS are not going anywhere, McNeil and JD can hold down 3B for Baty and McCann does the same for Alvarez.
We have to upgrade 2B, LF, RF and CF. Smith is not the answer in LF nor in my opinion at DH. Seems like he regressed from a year ago. Nimmo is fine as a corner OF but we need better D in center. If you can trade for a CF, move Nimmo to left and qualify Conforto but if he walks so be it. Would love to see the Mets go after Castellenos for the OF.
I again think we have to sign Baez or the trade is a total waste. Baez takes over second and we get two years of Cano at DH. If the Mets knew Jake was done, then they should have announced it prior to the deadline and not made the Baez move.
I try to move Smith along with one of McNeil /JD platoon for a good outfielder. I just hope that Cohen is willing to go over the luxury tax threshold.
Alonso doesn't have a home run swing or a singles swing. He has one swing. Barring injury, that swing will make him a centimillionaire in a few years. So why should he eff with it?
Asking Alonso to swing for a single is like asking him to sacrifice bunt. He doesn't know how. The folks who write his checks have never asked him to learn.
Yes, the game has changed.
It's sad because the game has changed for the worse. All fundies have been tossed for the long ball. Btw, not all chicks dig the long ball. 😂
I watched Willie Stargell take batting practice 100s of times, he could hit the ball 550 feet whenever he wanted.
The fans on the road watching visitors BP were always disappointed because batting lefty with that big windmill windup, he’d hit 30 line drives the other way over shortstop and pronounce himself locked in.
He is the player I wanted but apparently the price was higher than PCA. Conspiracy theory is Lindor lobbied for Baez and they wanted to keep him happy.
Yup, Bryant would have been the get, but at this point, I don't think it would have mattered.
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I can't speak for anyone else but I posted consistently about getting Bryant around the deadline.
Not me. I wanted him and defended him from those who complained about the playoff numbers.
These 13 games vs LA and SF have been lessons in futility. And it's not like they've been getting overwhelmed. 7 of the 11 losses by one run. Comes down to late game execution and clutch players vs lack of clutch players. When there's been a big opening due to the shift the Dodgers and Giants players found it. We hit right to where the shift is. Lack of power was also an issue. It seems we didn't have anybody hit one but Alonso. These 2 teams have a multitude of players with double digit home runs and any of them can hurt you at any given time.
I 100% wanted KB over Baez. Didn’t really want Baez at all. But, with that said, if he is looking for a Lindor deal, you laugh and walk away. If he would accept 4-5 years in the 20-25 range per…I seriously consider it. That middle of the infield would be fun to watch and I do believe they would do very well together.
Davis/McNeil- JD needs to be a DH and McNeil needs a change of scenery- and as much as we have soured on them, both will still be very productive players somewhere else for another 7-8 years. They just can’t be the focus of your lineup.
Easy answer- you smile and not worry about RF for another year.
I hope we get to see a couple of the top 3 Mets kids called up in September. As Yankee fans did for the 1st 4 months, it's time to turn the page and watch them crash and burn. It will make for must see TV, and compelling reading of the usual suspects blasting Cashman and Boone. The very ones not saying di$k at the moment about them.
Alvarez, Baty, Mauricio? I put the chances we see any of them called up at zero. Or less.
Yep. Might make it on in the offseason if they are slated to start at AAA next season.
Correct. None of the three have yet to sniff AAA. What's the rush? Besides, why start the arbitration clock now?
It's not a question of "making it" to the 40 man. It's when the Mets are REQUIRED to add them, based on how long they've been with the organization. I'm pretty sure Baty does not have to be added yet, not sure about Alvarez and Mauricio.
I think you have to be added after four years with the organization. Might be five though. If you are not, then you are subject to the Rule 5 draft.
McNeil and JD Davis will not be productive players for 7-8 years. Both are bench reserves at best on any decent team with a small window / time duration of opportunity. They are limited in many aspects and both are part of the stench of this team who must be gone next year albeit neither has much value.
It’s the first year McNeil has not hit. He may not be a “good” fielder but can play a ton of positions.
JD- if he is DH’ing…290 25 HR guy
neither is a star or capable of carrying a team but either one could be a key part of a good team.
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