Paying customers absolutely have the right to express their dissatisfaction with the product, within limits. Booing is well within those limits.
That said, the fact that you have the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.
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That said, the fact that you have the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.
If throwing up a thumbs down occasionally by some players miraculously gets us on a winning streak so be it. Are the same people booing Baez cheering for him when he hits a two run bomb? I know what we have in him. Been a Mets fan long enough to see Dave Kingman. A strikeout machine that could hit a country mile. Does either player wake up the next morning and say I’d rather not get boo’d at so I won’t strike out. To me if a player does not hustle that is one thing……or my biggest pet peeve this year is the sulking by McNeil and Davis. Nimmo gets poked fun at by running to first on walks and hit by pitches. Give me a 26 man roster just like him.
Agreed. At the same time, the paying customer shouldn't be shocked if the players say some back. We are emotional creatures by nature and sometimes we release them at the worse time. Unfortunately, we can't take them back.
Hey, Mets fans have every right to boo under performing players, it's part of baseball. The Mets players are lucky this fan base was only showing their displeasure vocally. I know of another fan base that was throwing anything that wasn't nailed down at their players, and those players, as much as I hate to admit it, didn't show themselves to be such pussies.https://nypost.com/2021/04/16/yankees-lose-to-rays-fans-throw-balls-and-objects-on-field/
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Mets broadcaster Howie Rose taking medical leave of absence for rest of 2021 season
Mets broadcaster Howie Rose taking medical leave of absence for rest of 2021 season
Howie Rose, the team’s radio play-by-play announcer, announced via Twitter on Monday that he will have surgery to address a medical issue.
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Thumbs down? Javier Báez and NY Mets should worry about winning, not their fans booing
Thumbs down? Javier Báez and NY Mets should worry about winning, not their fans booing
Is it productive for Mets fans to boo Javier Báez and his teammates? Maybe not. But the third-place Mets should be worried about winning, not the fans.
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I may have overgeneralized on what Stroman said. It doesn't really matter. Maybe the players and the coaches will all wake up and take their anger out on the opposing teams. That's the best we can hope for.
First I hope Howie is ok and returns for next season.
2nd, the Mets should stage a "fan appreciation" night with Lindor, Baez and Stroman as team ambassadors. Bring back past fan loving favorites such as Dave Kingman, Ritchie Hebner, Bobby Bo, Vince Coleman and Brett Saberhagen and let the love flow. Coleman can sponsor fireworks after the game.
2nd, the Mets should stage a "fan appreciation" night with Lindor, Baez and Stroman as team ambassadors. Bring back past fan loving favorites such as Dave Kingman, Ritchie Hebner, Bobby Bo, Vince Coleman and Brett Saberhagen and let the love flow. Coleman can sponsor fireworks after the game.
This is pro ball. This also isn’t just booing to boo or booing a HOF like M Schmidt they way Philly did. This is fair booing. The team has just sucked in so many ways. They also handed away a fairly good lead and has looked like the worst team in baseball while doing it. To boo them, is fair. And anyone that knows me, knows I don’t ever boo players.
These Met players, despite all the supposed camaraderie, seem to focus on all the wrong things.
The funny thing is that the "booing" these guys have endured was mild at best. That may change - pronto.
Edwin Diaz can tell them what REAL booing is like.
Edwin Diaz can tell them what REAL booing is like.
Fun fact:Since the All-Star Game,Amed Rosario is hitting .352 and slugging .535.
They may have given up too soon on him.
They may have given up too soon on him.
In the nature of this latest nonsense, Mets fans should cheer loudly when Baez strikes out. That should make his head explode.
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Here's something to consider, the players' families are at these games. Are they being exposed to the harsh treatment of their husbands and fathers? That could be a trigger to the players' response. We don't know the entire story.
In general, most fans are within limits of booing the players, but all it takes is a few to ruin it. IMO, this whole thing is being blown out of proportion.
Shea Stadium was built on a burial
Diaz took it and just tried to get better that year. He actually never complained about the fans. Go figure.
I was with you up until the last sentence. IMO this is NOT being blown out of proportion. This is a big f'n deal.
I have been a Mets fan for as long as there have been Mets. Never do I recall the players giving a big fat middle finger (or close to it) to an entire fan base. Because a small percentage of the fans are being mean to them. Because their feelings are hurt.
Remember the 1993 Worst Team Money Could Buy? Even they didn't pull this shit.
Which brings me to another point. Where's the veteran leadership? Does anyone think any of this happens if David Wright were around?
So we don’t want the players to be too sensitive when we boo them but when they give us the thumbs down we become over sensitive. Have to Be honest, much like the OK to the sky, the thumbs down means nothing to me. No player will automatically play better because they don’t want to be boo’d. Again I have zero issues with a player giving me their best effort. Baez strikes out but also is second on the team in HRs and RBIs including missing a handful of games. At nearly 57 years ago I don’t need to idolize the players. Don’t need a team of 26 nice guys. I need management to give us the best chance of winning. When Jake was healthy we had a heck of a run. When Baez and Lindor are healthy, they give us the best lineup.
Exactly. Because we are the customers. We don't have to satisfy the producers of the product. They have to satisfy us.
Did you follow the NBA playoffs this year? NY fan spat on the Atlanta Hawks star. It didn't receive nearly the same intense coverage as the Metsgate. It was mentioned, but the focus remained on the NY Knicks' poor performance. That was an assault on a person, yet It blew over in a day. Where was the outrage from the public? Why didn't the public condemn the fans? I'm not giving the Mets players a pass, but I do have empathy for them. I've experienced booing as a player and boo players as a fan. I see both sides.
Doctor, stop putting these players on a pedestal. They are no different than you or me. If we don't spend money going to games or watching it, they will feel it more than any booing could accomplish.
The way this current generation leads is to manage yourself and not worry about others. Actually, I blamed the front office for not doing their homework on their players. Everyone talked up team chemistry earlier in the season.
Totally disagree, especially with free agency these players can go anywhere they want. Again the point I continue to make is this, what does booing a player accomplish? No player is ever going to play better because of boos. People are angry at Linder because of his contract. To me he brings excitement to the team that no one since Reyes has, No one on the team could have caused a balked to score a run. Baez is easily our 2nd best hitter. In hindsight should we have traded for Bryant instead? Of course. Bottom line Baez, Linder, Nimmo are three players I’d gladly take on my team and of course Pete. Many have boo’d JD and McNeil for their sulking. Has that made them turn their seasons around? Nope
I don't remember ever booing a home team player in my adult life. I may have, but I don't remember it. I am vehemently opposed to booing collegians.
But if a professional wants to "fight back" against being booed (a battle he cannot win), my response is that of Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "This is the business we've chosen".
It is absolutely true that booing does not help players play better. It is also absolutely irrelevant. Fans (short for fanatics) are not rational. They get to boo you. You don't get to boo them back. This is the business you've chosen.
NYC fans are a special breed. They have booed Derek Jeter! And do you know how Jeter responded? He said something like I agree, I'd boo myself too... I hold myself to a high standard and I have not been meeting it. THAT'S how you win back the fans.
To your point about free agency - a potential free agent should be MORE concerned about being fan friendly, not less. You know who was the most unhappy about Baez' stunt? Baez' agent. Baez no doubt cost himself a Mets offer. And he gave all his other potential suitors something to think about, and not in a good way.
Bottom line IMO - there is no business on earth that would tolerate an employee deliberately antagonizing its paying customers. Should the Mets be any different?
Worm you are putting so much more into this then I am. Bottom line do fans have a right to boo? Of course although to me it is ridiculous to do. Does Baez have a right to “fight back” absolutely? The whole paying for the right to boo I just don’t get. In no other aspect of our lives do we pay money and then boo for a lousy product. As I believe Cuff said just don’t show for the game if it bothers you so much. Hit them in the wallet. Do you honestly believe booing will change anything? Being a Rutgers, Mets and Rangers fan, victories have come few and far between. Heck we had fans on here debating should we cheat like other big time schools just to win. I certainly don’t want that. I just want wins. Baez and Linder when healthy gives us one of the better DP combos.
So in The Dead Zone, not participating during their winning streak is a badge of honor? How about, they just don't love talking baseball as much. I'm not going to apologize for taking part in an ACTIVE thread. As far as booing goes, it's a fans right!
Saying it is a right is one thing but what exactly does it accomplish? Baez will still strike out and hit bombs. If you went to a concert and boo’d Sammy Hagar for a horrible performance does he do better next time? Is your money refunded? If it is about free speech then Baez also has a right to possibly alienate the fan base. There will be fans like me that understand is right and frustration and of course fans that are upset with him. For those booing him on one hand then being concerned how it will affect his free agency to me………. That is his worry not mine.
About a month ago I listed at least 10 people to be upset with. Baez not even close on that list yet so many choose to boo him. Bottom line not his fault people would rather have traded for Bryant.
Your have a right to feel the way you do, and I agree with plenty you said. Players can turn booing into a negative and dwell on it or look at it as a way to turn it around. Ask Mike Piazza the way to handle booing.
I agree with your post, except for the last sentence as well. David Wright was a very good player , but I wouldn’t categorize him as a great leader .
OK back to baseball. Mets play an unusual split doubleheader today. Game 1 this afternoon is the completion of an earlier game which was suspended in the first inning. The game will go the full nine. Taijuan Walker will "start" with one out, runner on first, and 2-0 count. Trevor Williams will pitch the seven inning second game tonight.
If you ever get the chance read David Wrights autobiography. He basically said he liked leading by example. He was never a rah rah guy OT we need to call a team meeting. One of my all time favorite Mets
Hell. Not watching but there may be some booing going on now. Bases loaded and 1 on and in typical 2021 Mets fashion a popup and strikeout follow and no runs scored. Only run they have is on what else a bases empty home run.
Its this week or never for this team. The Braves are gonna lose games on this LA, Colorado trip they're on. If they don't make up some ground now they can pretty much forget about any meaningful games in the second half of September.
Its this week or never for this team. The Braves are gonna lose games on this LA, Colorado trip they're on. If they don't make up some ground now they can pretty much forget about any meaningful games in the second half of September.
Not surprised. He is what he is. He'll hit a lot of home runs but probably will never be the type of player that will be getting MVP votes. Too easy to pitch to if you know how to follow a gameplan. Fastballs up, (especially inner half) and breaking balls down and away out of the strike zone and he's dead.
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