OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread
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That is what most people missed. Cano was a salary dump and we were desperate for a closer.
mans while I know we gave up a huge prospect, we are almost 4 years into the trade- and the prospect hasn’t shown much of anything- he has pop but can’t get on base.
mans our guys has become our number 1 must re-sign this off season.
I have to say, driving around the last couple of days, Terry Collins is a great listen as the color for Howie Rose. Talks a lot of great baseball insight.
By far, the main goal of the trade was to get Cano. And it strapped the Mets with over $20 million in dead-weight salary year after year after year after year, a franchise crushing annual Boulder of dead money that only didn’t matter when the team was sold to a mega-wealthy owner whose first move was to jettison the idiot who made that trade and then, later, eat that money in a way that no other team could. I love what Diaz is doing this year. But he hasn’t been doing that for anything like his entire time here. Glad to have him performing as he finally is now, but the trade will never not be stupendously stupid.
You do realize- you are completely wrong. Main point was to get Diaz but we weren't getting him without taking Cano and his crappy contract off his hands.
That was reported from day one.
That’s revisionist history. Van Numbnuts was trading for his client and also Diaz. Of course, none of that matters because the deal is the deal and he chose to trade for his payroll crushing steroid client and his absurd contract. Just a career ending trade, as it should be.
Ummmm- let’s put it at a yes and no.
the player the Mets and even BVW wanted was Diaz. If the Mariners said yest to Kelenic for Diaz- Brodie would have jumped at it in a second. because Diaz was the prize.
The yes part of it was.,,Any other GM would have told them to F off when they said you have to take Cano too plus 90% of his contract.
But Diaz was not the throw in and Cano was never the original goal.
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I’ll never agree with you on that, but it’s a sideshow anyway. No matter what you’d prefer to believe that moron was trying to do, it was a trade only a moron would make.
The financial aspects of the trade were not as severe as you suggest. Mets took on $120MM due to Cano. Mariners agreed to reimburse them $20MM. They also took on two bad Mets contracts: $28MM for Bruce and $8.5MM for Swarzak.
So in effect, the Mets paid slightly over 50% of Cano's remaining contract.
Good. I don't want to make a Yankee like trade and start taking away a bright future that could see young players like Alvarez, Baty, Ramirez, Vientos on the same team with veterans like Lindor and Alonso.
Thus, why I would really prefer a guy like Flores and get a setup man. Try to get someone's closer who either has a contract they would like to dump or is a FA next year and just a rental. I wouldn't give any of our top 5 for either.
July 31 Mets Farm Report (Top 25 prospects per MLB Pipeline)
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
For Cuse Peterson went 4.1 IP giving up 1 run, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts. Szapucki has been good out of pen and Bryce Montes de Oca got his 6th save and looking like a pen arm for next year.
For St Lucie Omar De Los Santos stole his 50th base. Junior Tillen picked up 2 hits (Possible prospect riser at SS).
1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, HR(3), R, 2 RBI, K, .173/.789
2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 2/5, 2B(21), .306/.921
3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – 2/5, R, .249/.765
4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 2/5, 2 HR(5), 3 RBI, 2 K, .300/.935
5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – 2/3, 2B(11), BB, .267/.874
6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023
7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/3, BB, 2 K, .200/.698
8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, 2 K, .209/.658
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) - DNP
14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) – 1/3, 2B(8), 2 RBI, BB, 2 K, .180/.617
15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 1/5, R, K, .255/.743
16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 4.35, W(5-10)
17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023
19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) – Injured
21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022
22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023
23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
24) Josh Walker LHP (FCL Mets) – Returned Sat and threw a scoreless inning striking out 3
25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
For Cuse Peterson went 4.1 IP giving up 1 run, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts. Szapucki has been good out of pen and Bryce Montes de Oca got his 6th save and looking like a pen arm for next year.
For St Lucie Omar De Los Santos stole his 50th base. Junior Tillen picked up 2 hits (Possible prospect riser at SS).
1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, HR(3), R, 2 RBI, K, .173/.789
2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 2/5, 2B(21), .306/.921
3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – 2/5, R, .249/.765
4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 2/5, 2 HR(5), 3 RBI, 2 K, .300/.935
5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – 2/3, 2B(11), BB, .267/.874
6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023
7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/3, BB, 2 K, .200/.698
8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, 2 K, .209/.658
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) - DNP
14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) – 1/3, 2B(8), 2 RBI, BB, 2 K, .180/.617
15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 1/5, R, K, .255/.743
16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 0 HR, 4.35, W(5-10)
17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023
19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) – Injured
21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022
22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023
23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
24) Josh Walker LHP (FCL Mets) – Returned Sat and threw a scoreless inning striking out 3
25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
Trying to raise his value? I hope this really means the Mets are going to keep him. The top 5 prospects could really be added to current stars and be the team going forward.
Our top 5 guys look like players that could be MLB ready within a year or two. A couple of them are looking like sure fire starters somewhere and possible all star type players.
If we can keep them and still add a couple of pieces- it would be a huge win win
I would say Top 6 and include Ramirez, although he may be a bit further away. In fact maybe we should say Top 8 and include the two #1 picks.
I think it is no coincidence that the trade deadline is one day after the draftee signing deadline. Once you sign your draftees, they are tradable.
Who is your number 6? I included Ramirez in my 5.
Avarez
Baty
Vientos
Mauricio
Ramirez
I cant include Allen who has been injured or the draft picks- I am talking about guys that have been playing and proving themselves. Vientos/Baty/Alvarez seem they could be late callups or given a real shat to make the team next year. Mauricio- may also fit in there but he is blocked so I consider him my #1 trade bait. And Ramirez may need a couple more years.
I included Allan. If nothing else, I don't want to "sell low" on him.
i figured he was your guy that was included. I would have also but only wanted to bring up who I felt could be a solid to major contributor within the next 2 years. Since we havent seen Allen this year- couldn't put him there but wouldn't want to trade him either.
No they're not. 2022 draftees aren't eligible to be dealt until off-season.
I'm not high on Mauricio. He's going to struggle to hit even though when he connects he has good power.
Allan hasn't pitched in years so hard to know what we really have there. The big studs to me are the top 4. Alvarez and Baty in a class by themselves right now. Vientos going to be a really good bat possibly more and then Ramirez far away but could be a top 25 prospect in the league at this time next year. I don't move any of them as we need some cheap cost controlled players to come up and these guys all have tremendous upside.
I don't think you're going to find it cheap to get a high quality setup man, the type that you'd want working the 8th inning in a WS game.
if they are on a bad contract for a cheap team or a FA rental- you may be able to get them at a decent price
Cano DFA'd yet again. Glad he hurt the Braves in his time there. As I said at the time a rare dumb move by them.
No. Albies probably won't be back this year even though they're still saying it's possible.
Effross from Cubs traded to Yanks for their #7 prospect using Pipeline.
Hard to compare what Cubs are looking for as Effross is a 28 year old rookie so 5 more years of control and Robertson is a rental.
Hard to compare what Cubs are looking for as Effross is a 28 year old rookie so 5 more years of control and Robertson is a rental.
I heard that beleaguered Cubs manager David Ross was determined to unload that guy. He didn't want any player whose very name said "F- Ross".😏
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