I think the liberal ideology on much of this is their religion
God is man, bible says so
OT: Penn State 700M stadium renovation
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God is man, bible says so
I found this:
Is God Male or Female? | Answers in Genesis
When God created human beings, He said, “Let us.” This shows that God is more than one. God created males and females as a reflection of the male and female images of God: God the Father and God the Mother.
That is why the original Hebrew text refers to God as Elohim, which means Gods. Elohim—God the Father and God the Mother—have been working together for our salvation since the creation of the world, but according to the Bible, the last days is the time for God the Mother to be revealed.
https://answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/god-male-female/
At penn state students have to buy tickets - at Rutgers the tickets are free. Fees = free tickets.
And students who have no interest in sporting events should not be forced to pay for tickets.
Not sure I buy into that. It makes sense but in the traditional sense, all school costs are covered by incoming funds (tuition and whatever the state provides as a subsidy). Fees should just be part of tuition in my opinion and not a separate funding. Also, if a subset of students shouldn’t have to pay for a particular school cost in their tuition & other fees then all costs should be broken out and optional. Some might not want to subsidize other school funded decisions with their fees. This could apply to anything monies are spent on by the university, construction on a specific campus or for a specific purpose, arts, athletics, organizations, clubs, etc.
These are not ‘traditional’ times either. College football especially right now is nothing more than semi-professional sports.
If these were true ‘student athletes’ in the sense of your argument, I agree, however it’s not the case anymore, everything revolves around money. Beyond this just strictly from an optics standpoint Penn state doesn’t seem to have any issue at all selling those student tickets
Liberal University my man. The student fees pay for more than just tickets. Could you imagine the uproar if a student wasn't allowed access to a campus athletic facility because they didn't have enough pocket money? It's NJ man, a bastion of liberal socialism, a place where the residents, professors and media all take a stand in unison against Rutgers Athletics. You want equal access for everyone, then everyone pays.
Regular students can’t access athletes campus athletic facilities.. what are you talking about? A normal student isn’t walking into the weight room at the Hale Center and working out at will…. Absurd argument
Congratulations you named one Rutgers facility, you think that's the only one they have? They have access to all sporting events are those not Athletic facilities? They have access to gyms, they have access to intramural fields, tracks, weight rooms. Who do you think pays for all that and maintenance at Rutgers? Rutgers athletics. Please learn more about the school you never attended or are even a fan of before you make a statement about it.
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Not really my point. I understand what you are saying but I also believe if the University is committing to something then the overall university commits to it whether there are individual pockets that don’t agree. For instance, some pocket may not have agreed that we need to build a business school separate from what was the prior university layout of colleges, etc. and they may not have wanted to fund the buildings on Livingston and separate administrative needs, etc. I know it’s not a great example as my opinion it was needed. However, why would someone that has no need for it, doesn’t benefit directly from it, doesn’t agree with it…have to have some of their tuition, fees, etc. contribute to it. Same can be said for any organizational costs within the budget. My premise is if the University commits to something then we all commit, like it or not.
Disagree, all university functions make the school better - if not for athletics moving Rutgers into the Big Ten, it might not have pushed us to a top-15 public U ranking nationally and their degrees as valuable. Should only kids in the chess club pay for it? Only kids on the ballet team pay for their uniform and instructors? Only kids in the band pay for the theater hall and staff for concerts? This is a silly thought
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Per a 30 second google search, Penn state sold out their 21,000 student season tickets at $246 a pop, so an additional $5.16 MILLION in revenue this year alone.
In todays game, where money rules everything and players are actively being paid through NIL, any team that has the option to do something like this would be foolish not to
That’s nice in theory, it really is. In today’s environment though where money rules all, any potential additional revenue stream is going to be utilized.
Per a 30 second google search, Penn state sold out their 21,000 student season tickets at $246 a pop, so an additional $5.16 MILLION in revenue this year alone.
In todays game, where money rules everything and players are actively being paid through NIL, any team that has the option to do something like this would be foolish not to
Not saying I agree with everything here, but awesome post. Stuff like this is what makes this board fun. LOL!
Lol oh child I used to train in the Hale center when it was a multi use facility for only rutgers athletes. I played lacrosse for Rutgers from 2007-2011 moron🤣.
That’s not at all what you said, your words were ‘could you imagine the uproar if a student couldn’t access a campus athletic facility’. They can’t, it’s that simple.
Students can’t simply walk into the RAC and start playing pickup basketball, they can’t go into the Fred Hill complex and use the field for whiffle ball, you’re not going to see intramural flag football being played on the Battaglia complex’s fields…. You’re wrong man
This is correct. Students who do not participate on our athletic teams DO NOT have access to "all' campus athletic facilities. As it should be and as it as almost everywhere.
Again… not my point. My point is the individual doesn’t get to decide what they fund with their tuition and fees. The university does that based on what they commit. If the university decides moving forward that they can sell student tix and the student fees for athletics will be used for all other things it’s used for then that’s a University decision. … not a students decision. Otherwise it’s the tail wagging the dog and can’t or shouldn’t just stop with these costs, fees, etc.
So odd how you always need to have a gay hating reference
Their stadium is a dump
Every school in America could be cheaper but assholes like us are willing to borrow and pay so they don’t care
Do you drink your Earl Grey with pinky extended in the proper fashion?
You do realize that the more successful you become in athletics the more college applications you receive. College is a money making system not a non-profit. Nobody prices out, state residents but it is more profitable to take out of state students so there is a cap on in state residents. RU is no different...RU is more esteemed outside of NJ than in NJ. RU needs to stop catering to foreign students & start catering more to US citizens. JMO
Doubt the Penn State fanbase prefers tailgating over winning football like our fanbase. Some of you should take a visit there to see what tailgating is all about before declare Rutgers tailgating to be superior lol. We can take lessons from those assholes on what big time is all about. They donate and show up while we complain and complain and donate squat.
If RU fans are really pumped for this team, I want to see a 45k actual attendance crowd vs Wagner
Fans in big time programs attend to support their team regardless of the opponent
Fans in big time programs attend to support their team regardless of the opponent
Your argument is dumb. If you are gonna serve beer then why not have decent beer? And yes, when I go to NFL games, I prefer to sit in a box our lounge type environment. Partly for convenience,
Partly for better food and drink, but mostly to try and avoid shit bags. Seems like NFL can’t go a week without a video of some dude getting knocked unconscious in the stands. You like being surrounded by white trash drunk a-holes?
Yep… as it should be… and that doesn’t only apply to athletics. Students can’t access every research lab, academic labs for chemistry, biology, etc. Just because the university owns or pays for something doesn’t give any student the right to access it, use it, decide that the portion of their tuition or fees can’t be used to fund it.
But this is college, not the pros. To spend $700m seems outrageous. If the athletic department really is running such a positive cash flow why don't they for once send it back to the academic side to lower ever-rising costs there?
this is a bad litmus test. all fan bases and areas are different. you'd have to compare us now to what, say, Michigan was when they were at the same stage of development. Does that mean we are not "big time"? Yes... compared to the elite programs.. but.. we comin'
Why should the college viewing experience be any les than the pro one? I’d there Is a demand for boxes and suites then Build and sell them. Thea reticle posted said not 1 dollar is coming from the academic side or student costs. PSU has a 4.6 billion dollar endowment, if they cared about lowering costs they could use that. They don’t care because the demand to go through. Is through the roof. I know multiple NJ families whose kids were only admitted there is they did a summer session before their freshman year. They all gladly paid the bill.
Oh, and don’t get me wrong I hate Penn state but this is just smart business
They have tapped it for other projects. For example $4 million has been allotted to a new art museum.
and calling it a dump is probably being kind. The stadium awful and so outdated. I am not talking luxury amenities. I am talking safety and just basic necessities. Just things like a bathroom that when it rains becomes 2-3 inches deep in water. God forbid they ever needed a quick mass evacuation because the circulation patterns and concourses are so inadequate. Honestly it a below average high school stadium host 110k people in a facility that should have a capacity of 80k. Don't get me wrong. I love the atmosphere and think everyone should attend a white out to experience it but is badly needs TLC.
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Likely because they have 88k in enrollment (per a 10 second google search) and don't need to....
I seem to remember reading years ago about the PSU athletic dept contributing or donating for an academic project. It might have been a new library or something similar funded that way. IF, IF, true then perhaps they actually have done so before. Would they do it again? Who knows.
An enrollment management strategy being used at the University Park/main campus. Probably to attract even more out of state students paying at a higher clip.
Actually the piece takes issue with a feminist interpretation. An orthodox Christian interpretation on the “Let us” is that it is a reference to the Trinity.
45k shouldn’t be too much to expect if there are around 700k living alums in the area , plus students plus the general public that roots for the team.
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