OT: Westworld on HBO
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I can understand where you are coming from but it actually started to pick up alot in the second half of the season. They have to slow play the beginning of any series to set up some of the characters.
I've watched and liked many, many series that knew how to properly tell the start of a story. It's not just that this was boring, but it felt pedantic and obvious while going to great lengths to point out in microsteps things that were happening with the robots and mean guy Ed Harris that had me rolling my eyes thinking "I get it, I get it." To me the story or need to start the story didn't force them to do it that way. It's been done much better than this, and many times. That led me to believe that the rest of the show won't work for me, and I just stopped. I think it was in the middle of the fifth show when I said, crap, I'm done trying, this isn't good. To each his own.
You quit two episodes too soon. I felt the same as you. I wasn't sure if the show was that good, but I knew I really enjoyed watching each episode, and it kept my interest while I eagerly awaited the a-ha moments. Watch through episode 7.
Some were obvious like - Bernard being a host or MIB and William. However not as obvious was the third time line of Arnold and Dolores (Ford stated that Bernard was never in discussion with Dolores). Also Bernard being Arnold.
Cold never figure out what the segues were with the player piano.
Cold never figure out what the segues were with the player piano.
From what I saw on reddit they have 5 seasons mapped out. Lets hope they venture into Samurai World!!!
this is what i dont get.... if there are multiple worlds. why the focus on west world? If Ford and Arnold were the creators of the robots, why have they been solely focused on west world?
I give the creators credit for focusing, not just on the sex and the gore (of which there was plenty). But, also trying to raise larger issues of what it means to be human (not physically human), but what humanity means, as well as considering religion. Or (if not religion specifically), at least what a relationship with our/your creator may mean. After all, it's the guests who endlessly rape and murder (basically for fun) and it's the hosts that are forced to follow an endless cycle of suffering. Is humanity essentially evil at our core? Is there redemption for those who suffer?
The crossing/confusing timelines are a bit gimmicky. But, they do illustrate the confusion of the various realities/memories/dreams faced by the hosts.
I like the references to other shows ("easter eggs"). There were hosts from the original movie who are briefly shown in the background (mostly in Ford's office). The red lightning and alarm played in the control room during the "lock down" was a call-back to the similar scene in the Original movie. There were other references to popular culture (such as video games, etc.) sprinkled throughout the episodes.
The music they play on the player-pianos are not "old tyme" western music. Rather they are versions of more modern music (Radio Head, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc). Why? Because the show-runners want to remind you that you are not in the old west... you are in a different time/ place.
Homagé to other sci fi films were very cool;
Delores and Teddy under the Fake Full Moon by water = Trumanshow
Felix looking at his hand and questioning if is real or a host with Maeve looking on = Bladerunner .. and there were several others I noticed...
The crossing/confusing timelines are a bit gimmicky. But, they do illustrate the confusion of the various realities/memories/dreams faced by the hosts.
I like the references to other shows ("easter eggs"). There were hosts from the original movie who are briefly shown in the background (mostly in Ford's office). The red lightning and alarm played in the control room during the "lock down" was a call-back to the similar scene in the Original movie. There were other references to popular culture (such as video games, etc.) sprinkled throughout the episodes.
The music they play on the player-pianos are not "old tyme" western music. Rather they are versions of more modern music (Radio Head, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc). Why? Because the show-runners want to remind you that you are not in the old west... you are in a different time/ place.
Homagé to other sci fi films were very cool;
Delores and Teddy under the Fake Full Moon by water = Trumanshow
Felix looking at his hand and questioning if is real or a host with Maeve looking on = Bladerunner .. and there were several others I noticed...
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So when Maeve and company escape, where do you think they end up? Real world or another imaginary world? If it the real world, is it really real? Lots of options here. You can explore different themes every season.
Will they escape... or will they live in West World as free thinkers but without the guests?
Or... do they travel to other worlds? Samurai World?
I'm very intrigued of the possibilities!
And if all else fails... The show was a nice distraction during the wait for GOT.
Well apparently there is a "far east" world when they showed the samurai's, so one can assume there are other "parks". My questions still stands for this, the creators of the robots were focused on west world. They seemed to focus all of their time there, Ford, arnold, the board members, William spend his entire life there....
There was an "SW" symbol on the wall behind the samurais. So, apparently it's "samurai world " or Steve Wynn's own private hell.
I saw on reddit there were 5 mapped out, but I haven't found a source confirmed. Season 2 is confirmed though.
couldnt read this thread because I didnt watch the finale until today. I loved the series but at times there were parts of I was not interested in with William/Dolores. Maeve made the show. Thandi Newton should win an award and its interesting what her character did at the end..but its not really her deciding is it but with what happened at the end maybe she is free. I loved Theresa and was disappointed that they killed her off (reminded me of Julie).
The plot hole with where are Elise and that other guy played by the Hemsworth brother is a major issue to me. I think they are alive and just stashed to keep them safe. I think Ford had Bernard stash them somewhere so they didnt get killed in the uprising.
If what happened at the end was real, then how on earth could anyone ever allow this place to reopen again, it wouldnt make sense would it
The plot hole with where are Elise and that other guy played by the Hemsworth brother is a major issue to me. I think they are alive and just stashed to keep them safe. I think Ford had Bernard stash them somewhere so they didnt get killed in the uprising.
If what happened at the end was real, then how on earth could anyone ever allow this place to reopen again, it wouldnt make sense would it
I watched it to the end but unlike Walking Dead which I can't get enough of, I couldn't wait for most episodes of Westworld to end.
Take the time to watch Ex-Machina. Best movie on AI.
Take the time to watch Ex-Machina. Best movie on AI.
Maeve does achieve consciousness, but not until she gets up and walks off the train. Up until that point, she was following her script. The last thing on her program states:"Mainland Infiltration" which is the only command she does not follow.
Is Ford alive or dead? Was a "host" Ford shot and killed, or was Ford in the process of creating a host version of himself, much like he did with Arnold/Bernard? Personally, I'm leaning toward the real Ford being dead.
So if I have my timeline correct, I get the impression there are no scenes with Dolores and Bernard together? Dolores is always talking to Arnold in their one on one interviews, right? And all of these interviews take place prior to the park opening. Ford says in the finale that he kept Dolores and Bernard away from each other.
At some point I'll go back and watch the season again knowing all of these nuances. Awesome show
Is Ford alive or dead? Was a "host" Ford shot and killed, or was Ford in the process of creating a host version of himself, much like he did with Arnold/Bernard? Personally, I'm leaning toward the real Ford being dead.
So if I have my timeline correct, I get the impression there are no scenes with Dolores and Bernard together? Dolores is always talking to Arnold in their one on one interviews, right? And all of these interviews take place prior to the park opening. Ford says in the finale that he kept Dolores and Bernard away from each other.
At some point I'll go back and watch the season again knowing all of these nuances. Awesome show
I finally got around to watching the whole thing.
I thought it was a very good show.
Walking Dead is playing checkers while shows like Westworld and Game of Thrones are playing chess.
I thought it was a very good show.
Walking Dead is playing checkers while shows like Westworld and Game of Thrones are playing chess.
None of robots ever achieved consciousness for real, they were just programmed to think they did. It is all part of the game that we only saw a small part of in Season 1.
Almost every single character on the show was a robot. Robots still can't kill humans only other robots.
Felix was human, but he didn't work there, his part was part of the bigger game that he was playing. That is how he got away with all of stuff he got away with without getting caught. Nearly everything he did played out like a video game.
At the end of the series, I would be shocked if we do not get one massive pan out to show the full map.
Of course I could be way off.
