OT: WWII September 1, 1939, 85 Years Ago Today - The Invasion of Poland
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Fascinating video. In 2018, we spent a good bit of time in Krakow. Lovely city, was untouched by the Nazis, except for making it their headquarters-Wawel Castle. Very lovely city. Great restaurants.
Krakow (Cracow)
The Krakow ghetto in German-occupied Poland held over 15,000 Jews. Learn more about Krakow and the ghetto’s history during the Holocaust and World War II.
Cover page of Asbury Park Press September 1, 1939
Sorry but touting Alex Jones confirms full tin foil hat status.
These history threads are always fun. Early on, we try to out-history each other based on our latest "presentist" read. Then modern politics rears its head and it turns into mayhem...
My father-in-law, a SeaBee in the Pacific, was already on a cruise toward Japan proper when the bombs were dropped. His outfit and the marines that were on board were all 100% sure they knew why they were heading north...
What's ironic about Japan's surrender is that they did it on the bluff that we had more bombs. The truth is that we would have had to wait another 3 months for fissionable material to make more bombs.
BTW: sent you a PM about Saturday's game.
Not invulnerable, not above criticism, but compared to 1939? That was the question addressed.
Sure the cost/benefit can be debated in a historical sense, but you cannot tell me that the Allies held up their moral obligation. Similar to the Treaty of Versailles and the end of WWI being what lead to WWII - a deal was struck that set the world up for the Cold War (and how many lives were lost in the associated conflicts?), where the Allies and the Soviets each got to "preserve security" and Poland got to trade one oppressor for another.
Heres another video for @GoodOl'Rutgers who seems to like keeping his head in the sand:
Heres another video for @GoodOl'Rutgers who seems to like keeping his head in the sand:
Yes, and also Walking with Destiny.
Has any historian posited that Chamberlain had the right idea? I feel like Churchill was too keen for war. Keep the tip of Germany spear directed east. Eventually that would have lead to conflict with the Soviets. They degrade each other in a dead lock struggle that last several year and then England and France -supported with American industrial production - could have pushed around the two weakened foes like freshman in the lunch line.
Great series to read on WWII, the three books by Rick Atkinson. The Liberation Trilogy, starting with An Army at Dawn about North Africa campaigns, The Day of Battle about Sicily and the Italian campaign, then The Guns at Last Light on the European campaign.
Just started the first book, but seems equally good, is the three book series on the war in the Pacific by Ian W. Toll. Pacific Crucible, The Conquering Tide, and Twilight of the Gods. Note Toll is the author on that fantastic book Six Frigates, about the first six frigates of the US Navy.
Just started the first book, but seems equally good, is the three book series on the war in the Pacific by Ian W. Toll. Pacific Crucible, The Conquering Tide, and Twilight of the Gods. Note Toll is the author on that fantastic book Six Frigates, about the first six frigates of the US Navy.
explain the moral obligation.. do we, for example, have teh same moral obligation toward, say, the Uyghurs?
The Treaty of Versailles was a terrible thing - there’s no question of the direct line to WWII.
However, the German high command came up the “stabbed in the back” (by Jews and socialists) myth as reason that Germany lost WWI.
One has to consider both the Treaty and the internal revisionist history as causes for the rise of Hitler.
I also feel a need to contrast the Treaty of Versailles/end of WWI and the MacArthur Plan/end of WWII. Although WWI did kill off a number of empires, the British and French Empires expanded.
The US displayed an incredible amount of decency to rebuild nations destroyed by war (plus a giant dollop of fear of Soviet expansionism).
However, the German high command came up the “stabbed in the back” (by Jews and socialists) myth as reason that Germany lost WWI.
One has to consider both the Treaty and the internal revisionist history as causes for the rise of Hitler.
I also feel a need to contrast the Treaty of Versailles/end of WWI and the MacArthur Plan/end of WWII. Although WWI did kill off a number of empires, the British and French Empires expanded.
The US displayed an incredible amount of decency to rebuild nations destroyed by war (plus a giant dollop of fear of Soviet expansionism).
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Sorry, Spanky, that was rude of me. I'm not used to getting any mail here. I just replied...
watch the video.. actually WATCH it then come back again
Yeah... the religious aspect and demons and so on.. that's a bit much.. though when you look at Adam Schiff you can see the argument for "demon".
But this guy predicted 9-11. Not some vague prediction.. he even named Osama Bin Laden... what was it.. a month before it happened? How many people know that about Alex Jones?
This Alex Jones guy is not teh complete lunatic he has been made out to be and that begs the question.. why is he being persecuted and prosecuted the way he has been? It is an all-out assault in the media and via lawfare and censorship. If he is such a lunatic why is he treated like what he has to say is so dangerous to the government?
Is this a battle to see who is the f*cking weirdest, most out-there, full tin-foil body suit, straight lunatic conspiracy theorist weirdo among RU faithful? You must be a hoot at Thanksgiving dinner. Please also seek mental health counseling.
yeah yeah yeah... keep dismissing any argument based purely on the propaganda of what is a conspiracy nut. Such a strong argument. Just yell "conspiracy guy" and declare victory in any argument.
It was pretty easy to out you folks who don't want to consider any information. Think of how the name Alex Jones came up here. It was not to support any particular argument. It was in reference to someone suggesting that mike Benz is a good source. So I mentioned he has a great recent interview with Tucker Carlson. I then mentioned other people he has interviewed in this series.. interviews I found interesting.. including Alex Jones.
I said that interview surprised me because, like you, apparently, I found references to Alex Jones to be highly suspect. And because I was surprised at how reasonable some of Alex Jones arguments were in that video.. now I get blasted as if I am Alex Jones.
What conspiracy theory did I "tout" Alex Jones' view on here? What was the lunatic conspiracy theory I touted? You cannot say, can you? Because you decided to attack me based on a character you just made up... one that needs "mental health counseling" and is NOT a hoot at Thanksgiving Dinner and is a "straight lunatic conspiracy theorist". You made that up in order to attack me.
You see what you did there? Guilt by association. Alex Jones' character has already been established by the leftist media. So all you have to do is say so-and-so is like Alex Jones now. The very idea that you might be wrong about Alex Jones is so dangerous to your psyche that you felt compelled to lash out.
Are you willing to reconsider your opinion of Alex Jones? Seems not. That was what was asked. Take a look. But you are not open-minded enough to do so, are you? You'll just accept teh old characterizations of him. You'll maybe look up MSNBC "reviews" and characterizations of this video instead of letting it speak for itself.
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No Western Front and Germany takes Moscow and beats the Russians in '41. Probably a million more German troops to support the invasion instead of occupying Norway, France and the Low Countries. Oh, I'm not aware of any historian who thought Chamberlain was right.
The Japanese diplomat Hiroshi Ōshima visited in Berlin in 1935. The gist of the conversation at that time is that Japan would not want to be apart of any alliance against the Britain and France, but they would be very interested in an alliance against the Russians who they had defeated/embarrassed earlier in the century.
Yet there were Manchuria - Russia border incidents after the Japanese invaded China up through 1939. That the Russians spanked the Japanese in the last one "persuaded" them they did not want conflict on another front.
Norway was taken with 1,000 paratroopers and a marching band. Norwegian oil was essential for the Nazi military. There is a myth or French resistance and Norwegian resistance. There wasn't that much resisting until 1946. In 1946 everyone joined the resistance.
I'd agree that Germans would make Moscow by early '41 if they had no British or French interference. Those two years would have made significant difference especially in French preparation/modernization.
It was actually Chamberlain who declared war ( 85 years ago today, Sept 3 at 11:15am) but he was boxed into that position by Churchill. Churchill completely depended on American entry to the war. He could have been completely wrong, but of course he was right , base completely on luck and unforeseen circumstance, but right never-the-less.
That Norway was taken easily does not mean a substantial occupying force wasn't there. It was over 100,000.
Norway side note. Norway had an alcohol prohibition law of it's own with some of the same results as the US. After the war, moralist put a huge tax on alcohol. The tax did not apply to alcohol intended for export. My "Uncle" (family friend) was a merchant marine after the war. He and his pals got rich loading alcohol onto a ship during the day and sneaking it back into Oslo by night. He did not get Kennedy rich, but he did make enough to buy a hotel and live comfortably the rest of his life ...or to say he would have been comfortable were it not for that evil shrew he married.
How so? Because I said his interview with Tucker was interesting?
After Sandy Hook.. from what I understand.. he toyed with the idea on his show that it was all a setup. You heard the same crap about 9-11.. this was at a time when teh anti-nd-amendment crowd were preaching about what an opportunity that tragedy presented for them to come and take your guns. Wasn't it NY STate that then went and published where every legal gun owner in the state lived?
yeah,, it was an awful thing he said and when he went as far as stating teh families were crisis actors.. that went too far and he paid a dear price. total annihilation. I, too, found him to be ridiculous by reputation.. so I was surprised to see him interview with Tucker.. who also berated him over Sandy Hook and so on.
But it was an interesting interview. If that's "repping".. guilty as charged.
That type can't help themselves. It makes them feel impotent.
Benz is the man - the Jedi exposing all the shadows on the wall. Here's a bit were he explains they threatened Zuck with charges/jail (like Telescope's Durov). Its an international with. DHS threatened Zuck. I recall Rush saying GOP acted "blackmailed" and for half of them its true.
MIKE BENZ EXPLAINS THE GRAVE DANGER FREE SPEECH IS IN RIGHT NOW - Real America's Voice News
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Benz is the man - the Jedi exposing all the shadows on the wall. Here's a bit were he explains they threatened Zuck with charges/jail (like Telescope's Durov). Its an international with. DHS threatened Zuck. I recall Rush saying GOP acted "blackmailed" and for half of them its true.
MIKE BENZ EXPLAINS THE GRAVE DANGER FREE SPEECH IS IN RIGHT NOW - Real America's Voice News
Real America's Voice News is your one stop news and entertainment network.
oh okay gramps. Pass the cranberry sauce.
From listening to VDH and others I came to understand that the US was massively supplying the Soviet war effort via Alaskan routes. FDR never expected Soviets to repay. He did expect Brits to repay - he didn't really like Brits or the British Empire. He had a thing for Stalin like a lot of the left back then.
Chamberlain was in a tough sport because WWI was so brutal that England was terrified of war. Chamberlain was a romantic about war. Alas he also helped create war by decimating British navy. Churchill made a lot of mistakes along the way before the actual war
Your attempts at mockery are so weak. Why does your type always go straight to mockery? It would be best if you looked into that.
BTW - the self-importance angle would make sense if someone had injected themselves into the story as if they have some personal knowledge that reveals the true story. I know a guy who... kinda stories. That's not what's happening here.
