Pinstripe Bowl half empty

[LevaosLectures]

When most folks -- esp. non-locals -- think "NYC" they think midtown Manhattan. The bowl game is nowhere near midtown, especially when you factor in commute logistics.

It's similar to telling a someone Cook to Busch for back-to-back periods is do-able. I mean it is, but it's really misleading...

It's extremely easy to get from Times Square to Yankee Stadium.

 

[miketd1]

It's extremely easy to get from Times Square to Yankee Stadium.

Not for the uninitiated.

I see tourists bumbling about the subways all the time. Folks take the wrong line. Stand on the wrong platform. Take a local instead of an express. Walk the wrong direction and have to double back. Heck, I've done all the above and I work here!

Oh, and I can't tell you how many out-of-towners had their brain melt right in front of me while trying to figure out the Metrocard system.

 

[e5fdny]

Even with 68,000 seats this Stadium looks empty.
Don't get it. Great NFL Stadium, 1st class city, decent weather, etc.
We know Indiana football does not travel will, I thought Utah could...maybe not ?

San Jose or Santa Clara?

 

[e5fdny]

Well those people would be idiots. The best steak is in Brooklyn. The best pizza is in Coney Island. The best Chinese food is in Queens. And the best baseball is in the Bronx.

I'll give you Staten Island.

You can also add that the World's Greatest Fire Department is headquartered in Brooklyn.

Still doesn't make what I (and a few million others) say is wrong. "The City" is where I said it is.

And you are wrong on three of those points above.

 

[LevaosLectures]

You can also add that the World's Greatest Fire Department is headquartered in Brooklyn.


Still doesn't make what I (and a few million others) say is wrong. "The City" is where I said it is.

And you are wrong on three of those points above.

You must also be old. Where do you think the 20somethings are hanging out? Midtown?

 

[G- RUnit]

Bowl will follow us around like a bad penny. Nothing collegiate about it and of all the baseball stadiums we have played in, this is by far the worst. You can add in awful turf too. Expensive, no tailgating, no pep rally's, list goes on and on.

300 level is not the Upper Deck.
400 level is and was not even open.
Bowl has been an alleged money making "success" because it was fortunate enough to have RU 2x, ND and PSU and to a lesser extent, Syracuse 2x. Teams are not thrilled to come here and is often referred to as the B1G and the ACC's booby prize.

 

[krup]

I believe he's talking about our regular season "home" game there against Maryland and not about a possible Pinstripe Bowl berth.

Okay, I get the point more, but still disagree.

In a perfect world, poor RU attendance at next year's MD game would simply be taken as dissatisfaction with scheduling a regular season game there. In the real world, where everything Rutgers seems to be viewed through a negative lens, the next time a bowl game is deciding between RU and another team it would be "Rutgers! They couldn't even draw 5000 to a game an hour away!".

 

[krup]

Bowl will follow us around like a bad penny. Nothing collegiate about it and of all the baseball stadiums we have played in, this is by far the worst. You can add in awful turf too. Expensive, no tailgating, no pep rally's, list goes on and on.

300 level is not the Upper Deck.
400 level is and was not even open.
Bowl has been an alleged money making "success" because it was fortunate enough to have RU 2x, ND and PSU and to a lesser extent, Syracuse 2x. Teams are not thrilled to come here and is often referred to as the B1G and the ACC's booby prize.

Good matchups make the Yankees more money, but it was pointed out around the start of this bowl game that the Yankees were leveraging their baseball sponsors to support this game so that between sponsorship and TV money they pretty much break even before they sell a ticket.

 

[G- RUnit]

Can someone explain the B1G infatuation with the Yankee lovefest? Very odd. If the B1G really wants a metropolitan bowl game why not at Met Life? There are a million reasons why the Jets and Giants play there and not Yankee Stadium. Whole thing makes no sense.

 

[RU#1fan]

Okay, I get the point more, but still disagree.

In a perfect world, poor RU attendance at next year's MD game would simply be taken as dissatisfaction with scheduling a regular season game there. In the real world, where everything Rutgers seems to be viewed through a negative lens, the next time a bowl game is deciding between RU and another team it would be "Rutgers! They couldn't even draw 5000 to a game an hour away!".

That's fine. RU fans won't nothing to do with a Bowl game in Yankee Stadium.
We will take another B1G Bowl venue in a heartbeat.
Not hard for Bowl Representatives to see how well RU traveled to Bowl games in Houston, St. Petersburg, Birmingham, etc. while playing in the fledgling BE.

 

[krup]

That's fine. RU fans won't nothing to do with a Bowl game in Yankee Stadium.
We will take another B1G Bowl venue in a heartbeat.
Not hard for Bowl Representatives to see how well RU traveled to Bowl games in Houston, St. Petersburg, Birmingham, etc. while playing in the fledgling BE.

Rutgers fans might not want to accept it, but thanks to the recent downturn occurring at the same time we entered what is perceived as a much tougher conference, almost everything Rutgers did on or off the field under Schiano is viewed as ancient history and irrelevant to what we are now.

 

[R1776U]

FACT: NYC = Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, and Manhattan

anyone with a sense of geography knows this...

 

[RU_Planning]

You must also be old. Where do you think the 20somethings are hanging out? Midtown?

If you are from the metro area or even the outer boroughs, 9 times out of 10 when you say "The City" you mean Manhattan south of 96th Street. However, someone from elsewhere in the country essentially views the entire metro area as "The City".

I live in Brooklyn and say "The City" when going to Manhattan all of the time, my gf grew up in southern Brooklyn and does the same thing.

I think the reason why so many on this board think the Pinstripe Bowl is crap is the fact that bowl games and Rutgers were a very rare occurrence and the prospect of a bowl game meant sunshine and warm weather somewhere toursity. Who wants to go to the Bronx when you can go to Shreveport Louisiana?

The reality is, the bowl game is successful. As a Rutgers fan with high aspirations it is a bowl I wouldn't mind playing once every 4 years, meaning the bowls in between are the next level of bowl games.

 

[RU_Planning]

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so what you are saying is that there are reasons that this bowl sucks but go and make the best of it.....

you have to liquor yourself up to make it decent

I can do that once in a great while....but I warn you that once we get decent we will be sent there 4 times in 10 years on average..... if you are happy with that, so be it

if this game was in the new Giants stadium, I would much more supportive..... unfortunately, since this is a Yankee inspired bowl, it was not to be

What other bowl of this level averages over 40,000 attendance per season?

 

[RU_Planning]

If the West Side stadium happened this bowl (since it would actually be in "The City") would be huge. Like Donald Trump HUUUUGGGE. And it would be bigly too. LOL

And @bac2therac is right your peer analysis is a little off.

I kept those 2 in even though they are likely a slight notch above the Pinstripe Bowl. It just shows how successful the Pinstripe Bowl has been compared against its peers.

 

[e5fdny]

FACT: NYC = Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, and Manhattan

anyone with a sense of geography knows this...

And anyone with a sense of reality says this...

If you are from the metro area or even the outer boroughs, 9 times out of 10 when you say "The City" you mean Manhattan south of 96th Street. However, someone from elsewhere in the country essentially views the entire metro area as "The City".

I live in Brooklyn and say "The City" when going to Manhattan all of the time, my gf grew up in southern Brooklyn and does the same thing.

You must also be old. Where do you think the 20somethings are hanging out? Midtown?

Not sure but if you ask the 20something ^^^above^^^ he says what I'm saying. Not where they're going, just what they mean when they say "The City."

In a perfect world, poor RU attendance at next year's MD game would simply be taken as dissatisfaction with scheduling a regular season game there. In the real world, where everything Rutgers seems to be viewed through a negative lens, the next time a bowl game is deciding between RU and another team it would be "Rutgers! They couldn't even draw 5000 to a game an hour away!".

In the real world people will say (and have already) "Same ole' Rutgers scheduling a HOME conference game an hour away! Idiots! LOL"

And they won't say that (or can't) because we've proven we'll travel by having brought 17K for the Texas Bowl and 12K to Toronto.

A NYD game will have Rutgers fans painting the destination Scarlet.

 

[krup]

And they won't say that (or can't) because we've proven we'll travel by having brought 17K for the Texas Bowl and 12K to Toronto.

Nobody remembers or cares what we did back when we were in the Big East. All that matters to the college football world is what we do after we got in a "real" conference, and so far the picture isn't pretty.

 

[e5fdny]

Nobody remembers or cares what we did back when we were in the Big East. All that matters to the college football world is what we do after we got in a "real" conference, and so far the picture isn't pretty.

The important thing is somebody(s) did care what we did back then or we wouldn't be in a "real" conference.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Foster Farms Bowl - Indiana vs Utah - Santa Clara CA - 27,608

The Foster Farms Bowl had better attendance when they played on a baseball field in San Fran than they do in gorgeous football stadium in Santa Clara.

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Biggest "stretch" in the history of attendance #'s. There weren't more than 6-7K in the stands last night lol!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Okay, I get the point more, but still disagree.

In a perfect world, poor RU attendance at next year's MD game would simply be taken as dissatisfaction with scheduling a regular season game there. In the real world, where everything Rutgers seems to be viewed through a negative lens, the next time a bowl game is deciding between RU and another team it would be "Rutgers! They couldn't even draw 5000 to a game an hour away!".

Disagree. Bowl game officials are familiar with every team's travelability and our rep is pretty good. Not great - yet - but pretty damn good.

 

[jason21psu]

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so what you are saying is that there are reasons that this bowl sucks but go and make the best of it.....

you have to liquor yourself up to make it decent

I can do that once in a great while....but I warn you that once we get decent we will be sent there 4 times in 10 years on average..... if you are happy with that, so be it

if this game was in the new Giants stadium, I would much more supportive..... unfortunately, since this is a Yankee inspired bowl, it was not to be

With Northwestern's win, the B1G just completed year 3 of an 8 year agreement with the NEPS bowl and must send at least 6 unique teams but the goal is to send 8. Thus if RU is bowl eligible for the next 5 year the most you can go is 3 but I'd be really surprised if you went more than once. I'd say 2 times would the most.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/big10/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2016-17/misc_non_event/Bowl_Determination_Procedures.pdf

Attendance
38,274 - December 30, 2010 Syracuse 36 - Kansas State 34
38,328 - December 30, 2011 Rutgers 27 - Iowa State 13
39,098 - December 29, 2012 Syracuse 38 - West Virginia 14
47,122 - December 28, 2013 Notre Dame 29 - Rutgers 16
49,012 - December 27, 2014 Penn State 31 (OT) - Boston College 30
37,218 - December 26, 2015 Duke 44 (OT) - Indiana 41
37,918 - December 28, 2016 Northwestern 31 - Pittsburgh 24

It looks as if a sellout is ~ 38k but they will open the upper deck if demand warrants.

 

[wheezer]

What other bowl of this level averages over 40,000 attendance per season?

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if you enjoy going into the city to see RU play a football game in a baseball stadium, more power to you..... the novelty of this game is over with one visit....

the bowl sucks

 

[RU_Planning]

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if you enjoy going into the city to see RU play a football game in a baseball stadium, more power to you..... the novelty of this game is over with one visit....

the bowl sucks

What other peer bowls are so much better?

 

[RU#1fan]

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if you enjoy going into the city to see RU play a football game in a baseball stadium, more power to you..... the novelty of this game is over with one visit....

the bowl sucks

This. The Pinstripe Bowl sucks big time and that will never change.
Not a venue Bowl fans will want to return to. It's a novelty and one and done I think.
Much has been said of the Attendance. And yes local draws like ND, Penn State, RU have helped a lot ( No need for the Upper Deck - Section 400 to be completely closed to the Public when these teams play).
However the reported Attendance is total BS by the Yankees. With the Upper Deck closed, no way there were 38,000 people in there yesterday. Impossible.

Also, this is a Bowl of Power 5 Conferences going head to head. Everyone is comparing it to other earlier Bowls with the minor Conferences playing one another ( USA, AAC, Sun Belt, MAC, Mountain West). This Bowl better damn well draw better than the lower tier Bowls. I know ...Foster Farms out the window. That crowd sucked big time.

 

[wheezer]

What other peer bowls are so much better?

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anyone not in a baseball stadium..,, literally anyone

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This. The Pinstripe Bowl sucks big time and that will never change.
Not a venue Bowl fans will want to return to. It's a novelty and one and done I think.
Much has been said of the Attendance. And yes local draws like ND, Penn State, RU have helped a lot ( No need for the Upper Deck - Section 400 to be completely closed to the Public when these teams play).
However the reported Attendance is total BS by the Yankees. With the Upper Deck closed, no way there were 38,000 people in there yesterday. Impossible.
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There aren't 12,000 seats in the 400-level (which is only PART of the upper deck, lol....) so it is "possible" (36 sections x 14 rows x 15 seats/row = about 7500 or so). That being said there weren't 38,000 people there yesterday, we all know that HOWEVER, for the 100000000th time, the NCAA ALLOWS for attendance to be reported 2 different ways: Paid (all tix out) OR turnstile. The school or organization simply needs to report as such, hence, why you see crazy #'s for some of these games that have less than 10/15K in the stands.

 

[Abro1975]

Is having too many bowls like having too much sex ? :)

 

[NickKnight 1]

Looks bad on TV.
Upper deck closed and mezzanine barely anybody.
Can't blame PITT as they sold their 7500 ticket allocation.
Northwestern probably not so much.
Obviously no local interest in this Bowl.

Unlike the Holiday Bowl in San Diego last night.
Although Minnesota only sold 2400 tickets for the Holiday Bowl but there were 40,000 fans in the Stadium.
Lots of local interest.

Looks bad on TV.
Upper deck closed and mezzanine barely anybody.
Can't blame PITT as they sold their 7500 ticket allocation.
Northwestern probably not so much.
Obviously no local interest in this Bowl.

Unlike the Holiday Bowl in San Diego last night.
Although Minnesota only sold 2400 tickets for the Holiday Bowl but there were 40,000 fans in the Stadium.
Lots of local interest.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Looks half full to me[cheers]

 

[fischy5000]

The bowl itself is terrible IMO. The only thing it had going for it is the contract to get some name recognized teams and the general location to pull in a large pool of people. From what I've seen/experienced they do zero/nothing to create a bowl/fan experience. If you go to the game it feels the exact same as if you went to a regular season random game.
Even when we went to the bowl in Birmingham (which we could argue is lower tier than pinstripe?) there was a whole outdoor area for fans with activities/games and a concert/ralley the day before.
On a diff subject if we take the fan part out of it let's just look at the fact that they continue to have numerous injuries because their field conditions aren't up to par. Would you want to play in that situation after seeing a fairly consistent set of injuries pop up on the teams who play there?

 

[RU#1fan]

There aren't 12,000 seats in the 400-level (which is only PART of the upper deck, lol....) so it is "possible" (36 sections x 14 rows x 15 seats/row = about 7500 or so). That being said there weren't 38,000 people there yesterday, we all know that HOWEVER, for the 100000000th time, the NCAA ALLOWS for attendance to be reported 2 different ways: Paid (all tix out) OR turnstile. The school or organization simply needs to report as such, hence, why you see crazy #'s for some of these games that have less than 10/15K in the stands.

There are 10,000 seats in the Upper Deck -Section 400. There are 24 seats per row in the 400 section.
Hence taking 10k out of 50k leaves with a max. starting figure of 40k
No way there 38k there yesterday. I know, I know reported " Attendance is all BS. Just saying.
AGAIN, COMPARE THESE TO ALL OTHER BOWLS where P5 teams play each other !

 

[RU#1fan]

What other peer bowls are so much better?

Here it is for the all the Pinstripe Bowl lovers. Measured against their Peer Bowls.

Of all the 2015 Bowls that featured P5 teams playing each other the Pinstripe Bowl had the 3rd Lowest Attendance ! Slightly above the Military Bowl and well above the Foster Farms Bowl ( that one sucks).
Oh, and by the way there are 15 Bowl games with P5 teams playing one another with higher attendance than the Pinstripe Bowl. This of course excludes the Playoff games and NC.

 

[RU_Planning]

There are 10,000 seats in the Upper Deck -Section 400. There are 24 seats per row in the 400 section.
Hence taking 10k out of 50k leaves with a max. starting figure of 40k
No way there 38k there yesterday. I know, I know reported " Attendance is all BS. Just saying.
AGAIN, COMPARE THESE TO ALL OTHER BOWLS where P5 teams play each other !

Every game I compared the Pinstripe Bowl to was P5 vs P5 with the exception of Boise State. No one on this thread compared the Pinstripe Bowl to non P5 games. I hate when people have to make things up to try to win an argument.

Holiday Bowl - Minnesota vs Washington St - San Diego CA - 48,704
Russell Athletic Bowl - WVU vs Miami(FL) - Orlando FL - 48,625
Pinstripe Bowl - Northwestern vs Pitt - Bronx NY - 37,918
Cactus Bowl - Boise St vs Baylor - Phoenix AZ - 33,328
Independence Bowl - Vanderbilt vs NC State - Shreveport LA - 28,995
Foster Farms Bowl - Indiana vs Utah - Santa Clara CA - 27,608
Quick Land Bowl - Boston College vs Maryland - Detroit MI - 19,117

 

[RU#1fan]

RU Planning, If you are going to compare, at least do it correctly: Below are the Attendance figures of the 2015 Bowls featuring P5 Teams playing one another ( Excludes Playoff and NC Bowls):
Sugar- 72,117
Texas-71,307
Fiesta-71,123
Peach- 71,007
Alamo- 64,559
Citrus- 63,113
Liberty- 61,136
Outback- 53,202
Music City Bowl- 50,478
Holiday Bowl- 48,329
Belk- 46,223
Sun- 41,180
Russell Athletic-40,418
Cactus- 39,321
Pinstripe Bowl- 37,218
Military Bowl- 36,352
Foster Farms- 33,527

Yeah, the Pinstripe Bowl sure is a major crowd dynamo when compared to their P5 Bowl games.[/QUOTE]

 

[RU_Planning]

RU Planning, If you are going to compare, at least do it correctly: Below are the Attendance figures of the 2015 Bowls featuring P5 Teams playing one another ( Excludes Playoff and NC Bowls):
Sugar- 72,117
Texas-71,307
Fiesta-71,123
Peach- 71,007
Alamo- 64,559
Citrus- 63,113
Liberty- 61,136
Outback- 53,202
Music City Bowl- 50,478
Holiday Bowl- 48,329
Belk- 46,223
Sun- 41,180
Russell Athletic-40,418
Cactus- 39,321
Pinstripe Bowl- 37,218
Military Bowl- 36,352
Foster Farms- 33,527

Yeah, the Pinstripe Bowl sure is a major crowd dynamo when compared to their P5 Bowl games.

What part of "peer bowls" do you not get?

Comparing the Pinstripe Bowl to the Peach Bowl or Alamo Bowl is intellectually dishonest. I listed the 7 bowls that had middling P5 teams facing each other and the Pinstripe Bowl is one of the better attended of the 7, even historically.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Here it is for the all the Pinstripe Bowl lovers. Measured against their Peer Bowls.

Of all the 2015 Bowls that featured P5 teams playing each other the Pinstripe Bowl had the 3rd Lowest Attendance ! Slightly above the Military Bowl and well above the Foster Farms Bowl ( that one sucks).
Oh, and by the way there are 15 Bowl games with P5 teams playing one another with higher attendance than the Pinstripe Bowl. This of course excludes the Playoff games and NC.

Those "15" are some of the biggest games out there.

 

[bac2therac]

FACT: NYC = Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, and Manhattan

anyone with a sense of geography knows this...

oh I would say its all about Manhattan but you can believe what you want...and yes I know technically its all 5 boroughs but the reality is they are not created equal in any world. No one gives a crap about the boroughs really and the only one that has any kind of life to it is Brooklyn

so yes no one wants to go to the Bronx thats for sure

 

[bac2therac]

If the West Side stadium happened this bowl (since it would actually be in "The City") would be huge. Like Donald Trump HUUUUGGGE. And it would be bigly too. LOL

And @bac2therac is right your peer analysis is a little off.

Pinstripe Bowl - Northwestern vs Pitt - Bronx NY - 37,918
Cactus Bowl - Boise St vs Baylor - Phoenix AZ - 33,328
Independence Bowl - Vanderbilt vs NC State - Shreveport LA - 28,995
Foster Farms Bowl - Indiana vs Utah - Santa Clara CA - 27,608
Quick Land Bowl - Boston College vs Maryland - Detroit MI - 19,117


these are its peers...Pinstripe is a low level bowl, it shouldnt be compared with Russel Athletic or Peach or Holiday. Its the lowest tier bowl of Power 5 schools..so yes given the comparison to other crappy irrelevant mediocre bowls yes it does well but what exactly does that mean....its a bunch of bloated average Power 5 schools playing each other or where conferences send schools who have no traveling fanbase to real bowls..ie Pitt and BC and Syracuse

 

[G- RUnit]

But Pinstripe is not a low level bowl!!!

 

[Bones131]

Someone tweeted the other day that some of the "meaningless" bowl games got more viewers than Monday night RAW - over 2 million. TV sets matter more then who's in the seats.