Pinstripe Bowl half empty

[RU#1fan]

What part of "peer bowls" do you not get?

Comparing the Pinstripe Bowl to the Peach Bowl or Alamo Bowl is intellectually dishonest. I listed the 7 bowls that had middling P5 teams facing each other and the Pinstripe Bowl is one of the better attended of the 7, even historically.

What part of Peer Bowls don't you get ? It's all Bowls that involve Power 5 Conference Teams playing each other. Last year the Pinstripe Bowl finished at the 3rd lowest Bowl attended involving P5 teams.
Boise St. is not a P5 program ( unless you consider Wyoming and New Mexico Power 5 schools).
Let's Check the entire Bowl season when finished.

 

[RU#1fan]

Pinstripe Bowl - Northwestern vs Pitt - Bronx NY - 37,918
Cactus Bowl - Boise St vs Baylor - Phoenix AZ - 33,328
Independence Bowl - Vanderbilt vs NC State - Shreveport LA - 28,995
Foster Farms Bowl - Indiana vs Utah - Santa Clara CA - 27,608
Quick Land Bowl - Boston College vs Maryland - Detroit MI - 19,117


these are its peers...Pinstripe is a low level bowl, it shouldnt be compared with Russel Athletic or Peach or Holiday. Its the lowest tier bowl of Power 5 schools..so yes given the comparison to other crappy irrelevant mediocre bowls yes it does well but what exactly does that mean....its a bunch of bloated average Power 5 schools playing each other or where conferences send schools who have no traveling fanbase to real bowls..ie Pitt and BC and Syracuse

We will agree to disagree.

You think the Pinstripe views themselves as a low level Bowl ?
They feature teams from Two P5 programs and that's how their Bowl should be measured.
Also at a $2 million Payout per team the Pinstripe Bowl ranks above 20 Bowls in Payout.
Again do you think they consider themselves as low level Bowl?

 

[NickKnight 1]

oh I would say its all about Manhattan but you can believe what you want...and yes I know technically its all 5 boroughs but the reality is they are not created equal in any world. No one gives a crap about the boroughs really and the only one that has any kind of life to it is Brooklyn

so yes no one wants to go to the Bronx thats for sure

Yes and even the ones that live in the bronx don't go.

 

[RU_Planning]

We will agree to disagree.

You think the Pinstripe views themselves as a low level Bowl ?
They feature teams from Two P5 programs and that's how their Bowl should be measured.
Also at a $2 million Payout per team the Pinstripe Bowl ranks above 20 Bowls in Payout.
Again do you think they consider themselves as low level Bowl?

The Pinstripe Bowl gets middling P5 schools, just like the bowls myself and bac compared it to. There are a handful of bowls that are designed to have middle of the road P5 schools and the Pinstripe Bowl does the best out of those bowls.

The payout is irrelevant to this discussion, it is about the the regular season performance of the teams that play in this game year in and year out. 8-4 / 7-5 P5 teams, with maybe 1 ranked somewhere between 20-25. The Pinstripe Bowl outperforms bowls of similar composition annually.

 

[bac2therac]

We will agree to disagree.

You think the Pinstripe views themselves as a low level Bowl ?
They feature teams from Two P5 programs and that's how their Bowl should be measured.
Also at a $2 million Payout per team the Pinstripe Bowl ranks above 20 Bowls in Payout.
Again do you think they consider themselves as low level Bowl?

its a low level power 5 bowl and you can compare exactly to those 4 bowls I listed. There is a reason that they have got the schools they have over the past several years. You are bringing up last years numbers but this years numbers refute your point on attendance

 

[G- RUnit]

Schools had no choice. Ru certainly did not.

 

[jason21psu]

We will agree to disagree.

You think the Pinstripe views themselves as a low level Bowl ?
They feature teams from Two P5 programs and that's how their Bowl should be measured.
Also at a $2 million Payout per team the Pinstripe Bowl ranks above 20 Bowls in Payout.
Again do you think they consider themselves as low level Bowl?

To answer your first question, in short yes. The Pinstripe bowl is 6th (7th when a B1G team makes the playoff) in the pecking order for the B1G selection. It's like people don't even read the links I post :)

 

[RU#1fan]

The Pinstripe Bowl gets middling P5 schools, just like the bowls myself and bac compared it to. There are a handful of bowls that are designed to have middle of the road P5 schools and the Pinstripe Bowl does the best out of those bowls.

The payout is irrelevant to this discussion, it is about the the regular season performance of the teams that play in this game year in and year out. 8-4 / 7-5 P5 teams, with maybe 1 ranked somewhere between 20-25. The Pinstripe Bowl outperforms bowls of similar composition annually.

Bottom line is this Bowl has much weaker attendance than the vast majority of P5 Team Bowls.
Mid -tier, low- tier , whatever "classification " you want to affix to it. Doesn't matter. Not a desirable Bowl.
And to Bac's request, will post a recap of this year's P5 Bowls crowds.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

BTW - I've seen at least 7 guys slip on the turf at The Orange Bowl today while making cuts. Maybe they shouldn't play on that field either as it's potentially dangerous to kid's careers.

[cheers]

 

[e5fdny]

BTW - I've seen at least 7 guys slip on the turf at The Orange Bowl today while making cuts. Maybe they shouldn't play on that field either as it's potentially dangerous to kid's careers.

Remember the uproar about the Citrus Bowl (Champs, Russell Athletic) grass a few years ago?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Remember the uproar about the Citrus Bowl (Champs, Russell Athletic) grass a few years ago?

Absolutely. My point is that it's silly to constantly bash The Pinstripe Bowl for this when, in fact, it happens at football stadiums as well. Sucks, regardless, but it's not one of the things people should be harping on IMHO.

 

[vkj91]

Can someone explain the B1G infatuation with the Yankee lovefest? Very odd. If the B1G really wants a metropolitan bowl game why not at Met Life? There are a million reasons why the Jets and Giants play there and not Yankee Stadium. Whole thing makes no sense.

I believe the yes network was pivotal BTN getting picked up by local cable companies. Which as you know is why we were invited.

 

[vkj91]

I've been to 3 pinstripe bowls and 2 cactus bowls and outside of a dome the pinstripe is far better. First off, cactus bowl numbers are inflated because they basically give them away to people who buy Fiesta Bowl tickets. Second, only reason Boise was there was because not enough PAC teams qualified. Last year they had ASU so attendance was inflated. Zero chance they had 40k there this year. 15 tops.

 

[ScarletDave]

In this pic taken in the first half, you can see the upper deck open and many seated, and Mezz and lower deck crowded

Actually, the 400 level was closed off, and the entire endzone upper deck, and if you think "many" are seated in the 300s, I have "many" bridges to sell you... yea no way there were 37,000 there in the 48,000-seat stadium (construction going on now has 2,000 seats removed)... the most sold parts of these games have been the bleachers, and these guys had to sell ONE THIRD (1/3) of the seats we had to also because of construction eliminating 2 sections of bleachers and another is always the band (see second pic below).

 

[PhDKnight]

Since people have brought up the Holiday Bowl several times in this thread I will comment since I live in SD and was at the game -

1) Weather/Destination - this is SD and it was a high of 75 mid-day with no clouds in the sky.

2) Local Support - The bowl is a big deal in SD. The Bowl organizers host a televised AM Parade that attracts nearly 100k the morning of the bowl. Think mini Macy parade.

3) Price - I bought 3, 15 yard line lower bowl seats for less than $100 total the day before the game on Stubhub.

4) Accessibility - it took me 25 minutes go from the beach to tailgaiting and I parked at the stadium for $20.

You can't compare the above to a game in the Bronx in late December.

 

[G- RUnit]

Actually, the 400 level was closed off, and the entire endzone upper deck, and if you think "many" are seated in the 300s, I have "many" bridges to sell you... yea no way there were 37,000 there in the 48,000-seat stadium (construction going on now has 2,000 seats removed)... the most sold parts of these games have been the bleachers, and these guys had to sell ONE THIRD (1/3) of the seats we had to also because of construction eliminating 2 sections of bleachers and another is always the band (see second pic below).

Wait! AreYou Nuts insisted upper deck was open! Lol! Still waiting for that apology!

 

[wheezer]

Can someone explain the B1G infatuation with the Yankee lovefest? Very odd. If the B1G really wants a metropolitan bowl game why not at Met Life? There are a million reasons why the Jets and Giants play there and not Yankee Stadium. Whole thing makes no sense.

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the big 10 would like it if RU became NYCs team.... that somehow we developed a following there..... it probably was a small part of the reason we are a big 10 team now...

the Yankee organization is on the same page as the big 10 bigs here...... the question is, how much will the Rutgers bigs be on board with us playing a game every other year in Yankee stadium, for example, or 3 or 4 bowl games there per decade....

I would expect the Rutgers people to ignore fans complaints and move home games there per the big 10 requests, and the Yankees more than willing

 

[e5fdny]

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the big 10 would like it if RU became NYCs team.... that somehow we developed a following there..... it probably was a small part of the reason we are a big 10 team now...

the Yankee organization is on the same page as the big 10 bigs here...... the question is, how much will the Rutgers bigs be on board with us playing a game every other year in Yankee stadium, for example, or 3 or 4 bowl games there per decade....

I would expect the Rutgers people to ignore fans complaints and move home games there per the big 10 requests, and the Yankees more than willing

And if true (still not sure it is) this why I will continue to sing from the mountain tops on this.

Stupid, stupid idea then. And an even dumber idea going forward if true.

The Bowl game is what it is. If it's our slot for the 6th or 7th pick that year, so be it. But a REGULAR season game be it conference or OOC (unless the $$$ is HUUUUGE or bigly)...are you kidding me?

 

[Abro1975]

"The upper level is sectioned into two parts, the 300 Level Terrace and the 400 Level Grandstand. The 300 Level Terrace seats are considerably more expensive and you’re not going to feel like you’re much closer to the action."

You go up to the same elevator or escalator exit to get to either 300 or 400 seats. Basically the same location but the Yankees just named them different to extract more revenue. Smart.

And like others above I despise giving up a game at Ru Stadium (Maryland game 2017) to play in this , or any, baseball stadium. But Economics and TV ratings show this 2nd tier Bowl game is here to stay.

 

[RU#1fan]

Actually, the 400 level was closed off, and the entire endzone upper deck, and if you think "many" are seated in the 300s, I have "many" bridges to sell you... yea no way there were 37,000 there in the 48,000-seat stadium (construction going on now has 2,000 seats removed)... the most sold parts of these games have been the bleachers, and these guys had to sell ONE THIRD (1/3) of the seats we had to also because of construction eliminating 2 sections of bleachers and another is always the band (see second pic below).

This. Yankees continue to exaggerate their attendance even beyond the typical inflated numbers from other venues. Probably just trying to impress the B1G and CFB world. If the B1G wants to make a statement and expand their presence in the NY/NJ market then move the game to a real Football Stadium= Met Life.

 

[bac2therac]

Actually, the 400 level was closed off, and the entire endzone upper deck, and if you think "many" are seated in the 300s, I have "many" bridges to sell you... yea no way there were 37,000 there in the 48,000-seat stadium (construction going on now has 2,000 seats removed)... the most sold parts of these games have been the bleachers, and these guys had to sell ONE THIRD (1/3) of the seats we had to also because of construction eliminating 2 sections of bleachers and another is always the band (see second pic below).

Omg that's frightening and should be sent to Hobbs..look how far away the views are. Rutgers fans gone get the screw job next year

 

[e5fdny]

"The upper level is sectioned into two parts, the 300 Level Terrace and the 400 Level Grandstand. The 300 Level Terrace seats are considerably more expensive and you’re not going to feel like you’re much closer to the action."

You go up to the same elevator or escalator exit to get to either 300 or 400 seats. Basically the same location but the Yankees just named them different to extract more revenue. Smart.

And like others above I despise giving up a game at Ru Stadium (Maryland game 2017) to play in this , or any, baseball stadium. But Economics and TV ratings show this 2nd tier Bowl game is here to stay.

Have no problem whatsoever with this as a Bowl game. If we're #6 or #7 and it's our turn, we go.

My issue is the home game (or even an OCC thing) there.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This. Yankees continue to exaggerate their attendance even beyond the typical inflated numbers from other venues.

This is just a flat-out lie/over-embellishment. You obviously didn't watch many games. I can list about 5-6 which - BARE MINIMUM - announced triple the physical attendance. Maybe more. You don't like this game for certain reasons, fine, but let's not go making stuff up about it, okay?

THIS GAME IS A SUCCESS. PERIOD. Just move on and you'll be a lot happier I promise!!!

*** Yes, I have a lot of time on my hands the last 2 weeks of the year, lol!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Wait! AreYou Nuts insisted upper deck was open! Lol! Still waiting for that apology!

I made it quite clear that I was talking about the 300-level part of the upper deck/tier (not the 400). It uses the SAME elevators, escalators, and concourses, as the 400-level. The 300-level WAS OPEN for the game.

lol....just having some fun G!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

OMG!!! HEAVEN'S FORBID!!! The good people at The Citrus Bowl didn't open the upper deck(s)!!! They didn't allow fans to buy cheaper tickets and have better views of the game!!!

SHUT IT DOWN!!! SHUT IT DOWN!!!!

 

[RU#1fan]

Nuts,
Big Difference.
Camping World Stadium in Orlando is a real Football Stadium. Not a fake football venue like Yankee Stadium.
It also sits 65,000 for Football ...vs. 49,000 at Yankee Stadium WHEN the real Upper Deck of 10,000 seats are available to the Public. Unlike the last 2 years at the Pinstripe Bowl.
So the starting point for attendance is still 16,000 more for Orlando with mutual sections closed.

We might to put this one to rest for 2016.