We are demoralized and/or could care less

[mildone]

but you are what your record says you are, that is the great thing about competitive sports.

Same goes for fans. You are what your posting history says you are. 😉

So, you know, my condolences to you for your particularly poor showing of fan-hood this year. It was a terrible year for you, wallowing in misery and hating the head coach with no hope of change. But listen, keep your head up. There's always next year... although GS will absolutely be back again for at least another 2-3 years no matter what happens.

Gosh that has to hurt, right? For all your constant negative posting, you know there's no chance whatsoever of any coaching change for years. You're stuck uselessly berating people for not wallowing in misery with you for 2-3 more years, minimum. And if GS gets us to a bowl game in that time, RU will probably extend him right then.

Surely we'll get a "good" coach in another handful of years or so, though. That's the great thing about competitive sports.

Well, again, my condolences to you for your misery.

 

[RU848789]

I'm excited for the MSU game, like I am for almost every game. I predicted 5 wins and we'd have that if we weren't playing our 3rd string QB. I actually think we have a good shot at beating MSU tomorrow if we can play a clean game, which I think we can.

 

[urbanecane]

I made a similar post in the sleeping giant thread, but I believe the East Division is the ultimate spirit crusher. An Illinois fan can look at their schedule every August and dream of playing in the B10 championship. Realignment (and some offense) would do WONDERS for this fanbase.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Good point. One of the most misused phrases "Could Care Less".

Weird Al (no, not rutgersal!) addresses that at 1:08 in this instructive video:

 

[MADHAT1]

That is about as lame as you can get, pointing to a bowl game we backed into with a losing record that we weren't even competitive in as some type of validation of the HC.

Not lame when you take into consideration the program had improved itself enough , from the terrible one it was under the previous HC, to qualify for a bowl game under any circumstances and be in the running to qualify again under normal qualification rules .

Of course if one has an agenda to put the program and/or HC down no matter what sucess was pointed out. one would discount a program making a bowl game 2 years after the HC took over a known disaster that look more like a joke then one that could be respected or even back into a bowl invite due to a reason that affected all of college football.

 

[NorthernKnight]

Us fans. Here we are in the heart of the season, with still a legit bowl shot , and we don’t seem to care . Very little talk or juice about the upcoming winnable game at Michigan state. Even the trolling posters don’t care enough to troll!
The popular topics are on this board are some friend of a poster’s wife may be cheating, some guy got a football thrown near him at tailgate and electric vehicles.
I get it the team has been a letdown . It’s just sad this is where we are.

We are going to win tomorrow vs MSU.

 

[DJ Spanky]

We are going to win tomorrow vs MSU.

Your lips to God's ears!

 

[Plum Street]

We are going to win tomorrow vs MSU.

I sure hope so

 

[Knight Shift]

Weird Al (no, not rutgersal!) addresses that at 1:08 in this instructive video:

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Weird Al went woke, calling people out on pronouns (cued up)?--I just burned all his records. 😜 🥴 😜

 

[RU Cheese]

This “real-life” argument is hilarious. Talk about self-defeating rationalizations.

It’s not strawman unless you somehow have a way of escaping real life when watching or discussing football. We all exist “in real life” all the time no matter what activity were engaged in. So comparisons of one aspect of that real life, RUFB fan-hood, to another aspect of that real life, whatever it might be, are perfectly valid.

What’s invalid is failing to recognize that and treating the time we spend, or emotions we feel, on sports as some sort of alternative universe in which our behavior doesn’t count.

“I’m innocent, your honor! I killed all those people while at a football game. Not in real life!”. 🤣

Yes, Mildone, real life matters. Literally everyone realizes that and in no way was Plums post disputing that.

You responded a post about fans attitudes by saying it's not as bad as cancer. Is that correct? Absolutely. Does it add any value to the thread or dispute his position at all? No.

 

[RU Cheese]

Let me comment that satire is hard to convey in a post. You practically have to say at the end, "BTW, that was satire."

I's expect literally everyone to get that given how absurd a statement it is, but to your point, it's a post and there are some lunatics out there.

 

[RUforlife]

Not lame when you take into consideration the program had improved itself enough , from the terrible one it was under the previous HC, to qualify for a bowl game under any circumstances and be in the running to qualify again under normal qualification rules .

Of course if one has an agenda to put the program and/or HC down no matter what sucess was pointed out. one would discount a program making a bowl game 2 years after the HC took over a known disaster that look more like a joke then one that could be respected or even back into a bowl invite due to a reason that affected all of college football.

Spin it any way you would like, Schiano did not earn a bowl bid based on athletic performance. I guess the pro Schiano crowd is again rooting for another program that earned its way on the field to play in a bowl game to come down with a horrific and contagious disease so that their beloved coach can once again back door his way into a bowl game. Talk about lame and pathetic.

 

[RUBOB72]

Spin it any way you would like, Schiano did not earn a bowl bid based on athletic performance. I guess the pro Schiano crowd is again rooting for another program that earned its way on the field to play in a bowl game to come down with a horrific and contagious disease so that their beloved coach can once again back door his way into a bowl game. Talk about lame and pathetic.

You must be a miserable date. Now what is really lame and pathetic is your continuous negative BS. As for the Bowl game bid last season yes made it as a fill in because of academic achievement . Such a terrible thing .

 

[RUBOB72]

We are going to win tomorrow vs MSU.

Now wouldn’t that create a buzz for our next two games.

 

[RUforlife]

Same goes for fans. You are what your posting history says you are. 😉

So, you know, my condolences to you for your particularly poor showing of fan-hood this year. It was a terrible year for you, wallowing in misery and hating the head coach with no hope of change. But listen, keep your head up. There's always next year... although GS will absolutely be back again for at least another 2-3 years no matter what happens.

Gosh that has to hurt, right? For all your constant negative posting, you know there's no chance whatsoever of any coaching change for years. You're stuck uselessly berating people for not wallowing in misery with you for 2-3 more years, minimum. And if GS gets us to a bowl game in that time, RU will probably extend him right then.

Surely we'll get a "good" coach in another handful of years or so, though. That's the great thing about competitive sports.

Well, again, my condolences to you for your misery.

You have your head so far up Greg Schiano's ass that I don't if you will ever be able to pry it loose. I am about Rutgers my friend, I owe no allegiance to any coach, only to Rutgers the institution. I root for Schiano to be successful every weekend, we show up to the games and support the team. However, I do not blindly worship him, nor excuse his failures. The fact is he is not producing anywhere near the required results in his second tenure, the record speaks for itself. Now, he is going to get another year or two, no doubt, so I will be rooting for him to succeed, but I will not be shy about criticizing him when he fails.

 

[retired711]

I's expect literally everyone to get that given how absurd a statement it is, but to your point, it's a post and there are some lunatics out there.

Really, I'm serious. Conveying satire or anything similar in a post is *very* hard. Tone of voice does not come through in a post. I'm not criticizing you; I'm just giving you a suggestion that I hope will be helpful.

 

[batts]

Color me demoralized because of the NIL and its impact going forward in recruiting.

 

[jtung230]

I am sorry that you just don't understand that in college football each year's team is a separate entity and sometimes is only loosely connected to the prior year's team. The fact that Iowa and Minnesota were good last year has nothing to do with how they are performing this year and the fact that they are mediocre at best this year. The records don't lie, Schiano is 0-3 against B1G teams that are 14-13 this year. That is simply unacceptable in the 3rd year of a rebuild. You can try and spin it any way you would like, but you are what your record says you are, that is the great thing about competitive sports.

Of course, just look at the CFB playoff rankings. All those Cinderellas. I would’ve never guessed OSU and Mich was going to good again. Teams change every year. 🙄

 

[mildone]

Yes, Mildone, real life matters. Literally everyone realizes that and in no way was Plums post disputing that.

You responded a post about fans attitudes by saying it's not as bad as cancer. Is that correct? Absolutely. Does it add any value to the thread or dispute his position at all? No.

Add value? Dispute positions?

This entire thread has no value except as entertainment. And did the OP not take the position that we are demoralized? Since “we” includes me, and since I pointed out that I don’t get demoralized over sports, and since some others appear to have agreed with me, then I’m pretty sure I successfully disputed the OP’s position.

I also cited an example of what I do get demoralized about which, as a statement of fact about myself, cannot be disputed and isn’t intended to dispute anything.

Perhaps he should have said he was demoralized and not attempted to speak for all of us in the group know as “we”.

 

[RUforlife]

Of course, just look at the CFB playoff rankings. All those Cinderellas. I would’ve never guessed OSU and Mich was going to good again. Teams change every year. 🙄

Again, pointing to the blue bloods as typical college programs. Anything to throw attention away from the fact that in year 3 of a rebuild we beat BC, Temple, and Indiana with a combined record of 8-19 by a whopping total of 11 pts. Then to top it off we lost all 3 winnable B1G games to date to teams with a combined record of 14-13. As much as you try, you can't deny the record and Schiano's failure to date in year 3 of his current rebuild, but keep trying, you are semi-entertaining.

 

[Knightmoves]

You have your head so far up Greg Schiano's ass that I don't if you will ever be able to pry it loose. I am about Rutgers my friend, I owe no allegiance to any coach, only to Rutgers the institution. I root for Schiano to be successful every weekend, we show up to the games and support the team. However, I do not blindly worship him, nor excuse his failures. The fact is he is not producing anywhere near the required results in his second tenure, the record speaks for itself. Now, he is going to get another year or two, no doubt, so I will be rooting for him to succeed, but I will not be shy about criticizing him when he fails.

Didn’t Hobbs extend Greg to an 8 year deal? That’s 5 more years after this season. With no other offers likely to appear Greg isn’t going anywhere.

 

[mildone]

You have your head so far up Greg Schiano's ass that I don't if you will ever be able to pry it loose. I am about Rutgers my friend, I owe no allegiance to any coach, only to Rutgers the institution. I root for Schiano to be successful every weekend, we show up to the games and support the team. However, I do not blindly worship him, nor excuse his failures. The fact is he is not producing anywhere near the required results in his second tenure, the record speaks for itself. Now, he is going to get another year or two, no doubt, so I will be rooting for him to succeed, but I will not be shy about criticizing him when he fails.

🤣

Because I’m not wallowing in misery the way you are over something I have no control over, I’m now a GS worshipper? Is that your theory? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Hee hee hee. This really is fun.

Where were you when all the actual GS worshipers were accusing me of being a GS hater? Ya’ll need to get together and fight a death-match over what I am, a GS lover or a GS hater. When you figure it out, please let me know because I’m so confused. LOL

 

[jtung230]

Again, pointing to the blue bloods as typical college programs. Anything to throw attention away from the fact that in year 3 of a rebuild we beat BC, Temple, and Indiana with a combined record of 8-19 by a whopping total of 11 pts. Then to top it off we lost all 3 winnable B1G games to date to teams with a combined record of 14-13. As much as you try, you can't deny the record and Schiano's failure to date in year 3 of his current rebuild, but keep trying, you are semi-entertaining.

This debate we’ve been having actually proved why GS is on the right track. Teams GS lost to have a combined record of 32-13 with two undefeated teams. His only bad loss was Neb and that was with our 3rd string QB. Exclude OSU and Mich, we are 4-3. All this playing with our backup QB.

 

[mdk01]

Not lame when you take into consideration the program had improved itself enough , from the terrible one it was under the previous HC, to qualify for a bowl game under any circumstances and be in the running to qualify again under normal qualification rules .

Of course if one has an agenda to put the program and/or HC down no matter what sucess was pointed out. one would discount a program making a bowl game 2 years after the HC took over a known disaster, with all the problems Covid presented to recruiting that year, that look more like a joke then one that could be respected or even back into a bowl invite due to a reason that affected all of college football.

Added to it.

And the 2nd year produced a recruiting class that will move the program forward. This year is less stellar, but better than all the 7 years before he took over. The real question is what NIL is going to do to recruiting from here on out. There seems to be more fans interested in pissing and moaning than stepping with remedying the NIL issue.

 

[MikeR0102]

Yes.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Didn’t Hobbs extend Greg to an 8 year deal? That’s 5 more years after this season. With no other offers likely to appear Greg isn’t going anywhere.

IIRC it wasn't an extension, the original deal was 8 years. I think the last 2 years are 50% guaranteed IIRC. I rail about these long term largely or fully guaranteed deals ADs give out all the time, it's crazy. We've seen a bunch of 10 year deals now even, ADs are just patsies for agents. They have leverage too but they don't use it

I've seen posts that GS would be here through the end of the deal and that all depends IMO, it's not a given. I'll state the obvious, if he performs yes and if he doesn't no. I mentioned this in the other thread, year 4 is critical if he doesn't get to .500 regular season this year. There aren't many coaches who go under .500 regular season 4 straight years and make it to a 5th. Cutcliffe was one, Frost is another (somehow I forgot him lol) and Wilson I found when brainstorming and that's about it. I couldn't think of anyone else. Everyone else I thought of was fired. I couldn't find anyone who made it to a 6th year who had 5 straight seasons of losing records. Cutcliffe and Wilson got 6 wins regular season in the 5th year and Frost was fired during his 5th season.

I look at like this. He's got this year to see if he can find 2 more wins. If he gets 6, he's good for a bit. If not then next year if it happens to be another below .500 regular season, how many might determine if there's a year 5. If it's 0-3, I think he'd be let go and it's 4-5 then a decent chance for year 5. Then year 5, no ifs ands or buts about it, it has to be 6 regular season wins or he'd be let go. That's my take, he's got to get 6 regular season wins between now and possibly as late as year 5.

 

[jtung230]

IIRC it wasn't an extension, the original deal was 8 years. I think the last 2 years are 50% guaranteed IIRC. I rail about these long term largely or fully guaranteed deals ADs give out all the time, it's crazy. We've seen a bunch of 10 year deals now even, ADs are just patsies for agents. They have leverage too but they don't use it

I've seen posts that GS would be here through the end of the deal and that all depends IMO, it's not a given. I'll state the obvious, if he performs yes and if he doesn't no. I mentioned this in the other thread, year 4 is critical if he doesn't get to .500 regular season this year. There aren't many coaches who go under .500 regular season 4 straight years and make it to a 5th. Cutcliffe was one, Frost is another (somehow I forgot him lol) and Wilson I found when brainstorming and that's about it. I couldn't think of anyone else. Everyone else I thought of was fired. I couldn't find anyone who made it to a 6th year who had 5 straight seasons of losing records. Cutcliffe and Wilson got 6 wins regular season in the 5th year and Frost was fired during his 5th season.

I look at like this. He's got this year to see if he can find 2 more wins. If he gets 6, he's good for a bit. If not then next year if it happens to be another below .500 regular season, how many might determine if there's a year 5. If it's 0-3, I think he'd be let go and it's 4-5 then a decent chance for year 5. Then year 5, no ifs ands or buts about it, it has to be 6 regular season wins or he'd be let go. That's my take, he's got to get 6 regular season wins between now and possibly as late as year 5.

That’s the challenge in the B1G East. Unless you are OSU or Mich, you are starting at 0-2. I’m not even counting PSU as automatic. These are 3 teams that are top 15 preseason every year. Really need to get lucky on the cross over games and win the games you are supposed to win.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Perhaps he should have said he was demoralized and not attempted to speak for all of us in the group know as “we”.

Or perhaps his delusions of grandeur have led him to using the Royal "We" when addressing these scenarios.

 

[DJ Spanky]

All this playing with our backup QB.

Actually we've been playing with our backup and third string QB.

 

[mildone]

Or perhaps his delusions of grandeur have led him to using the Royal "We" when addressing these scenarios.

Didn't think of that. But that would explain it. 😃

 

[RUforlife]

This debate we’ve been having actually proved why GS is on the right track. Teams GS lost to have a combined record of 32-13 with two undefeated teams. His only bad loss was Neb and that was with our 3rd string QB. Exclude OSU and Mich, we are 4-3. All this playing with our backup QB.

LOL! Total nonsensical reply. You only count against Schiano games that are winnable, that is why nobody on this board is holding it against him that he got blown out by OSU and Michigan. At this point this conversation is going round and round, so enjoy your day.

 

[jtung230]

LOL! Total nonsensical reply. You only count against Schiano games that are winnable, that is why nobody on this board is holding it against him that he got blown out by OSU and Michigan. At this point this conversation is going round and round, so enjoy your day.

If GS beats OSU and Mich, he will get offers to move on. You and all the GS haters club will be very happy.

 

[mdk01]

This debate we’ve been having actually proved why GS is on the right track. Teams GS lost to have a combined record of 32-13 with two undefeated teams. His only bad loss was Neb and that was with our 3rd string QB. Exclude OSU and Mich, we are 4-3. All this playing with our backup QB

Again, pointing to the blue bloods as typical college programs. Anything to throw attention away from the fact that in year 3 of a rebuild we beat BC, Temple, and Indiana with a combined record of 8-19 by a whopping total of 11 pts. Then to top it off we lost all 3 winnable B1G games to date to teams with a combined record of 14-13. As much as you try, you can't deny the record and Schiano's failure to date in year 3 of his current rebuild, but keep trying, you are semi-entertaining.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics

 

[RUBOB72]

If Vedral and Wimsatt were totally healthy for Iowa and Nebraska we may not be having this conversation. We not only did not have a true healthy starter but we shot ourselves in the foot with penalties . Now it comes down to can we somehow beat MSU tomorrow ?

 

[Knight Shift]

For the miserable crowd, here is some food for thought. All comparisons cannot be 1:1, but here is a shot of a comparison of Schiano vs. "peers," assuming a worst case that Rutgers loses the 3 remaining games of his first 3 years. Peers beause they were hired in the last several years and the first 3 years included the 2020 covid year:

Schiano (excluding Gator Bowl): 12-21// 5-18 (conference)
Locksley (2019-21-exclude Bowl): 12-18//6-17 (conference)
Tom Allen (2017-18-exclude Bowl): 18-18//9-18 (conference) ((but 5-16 and 1-14 last two seasons))

Don't really consider B1G West teams Peers, but:
Scott Frost (2018-20) : 12-15//9-17 (((but 4-11//1-9 in final 2 years before fired)
Jeff Brohm (2017-2019-exclude bowls): 16-18//12-15 (in 2019-20--went 6-12//5-10))

Analysis: Locksley and Schiano have similar performance by record. I'm sure someone is going to go and parse through and say but they beat Penn State in 2020 (sofa king what). Tom Allen had 3 good years, but he has hit a really rough patch lately. Frost had a better conference record over his first 3 years, but he crashed and burned. Brohm has the best overall record, but his teams took a step back in years 3 and 4 before going 8-4/6-3 in 2021, and they may go 7-5/5-4 or even 8-4/6-3 this season.

Progress is not linear. Coaches that came out fast out the gate took a step back. Many of us expected RU to take a step back this year. Will we step forward like Brohm at Purdue in the next two years? Time will tell. There are reasons to be optimistic with defense and special teams, but the offense needs to be fortified.

I have left out the elephant in the room (and no pun intended)--Bret Bielema. But he did not coach in 2020. He is off to a nice start. But Rutgers beat Bielema in 2021 (but to the haters, Illinois sucked!!!). We will see how strong Bielema finishes with Purdue, Michigan and NW on the schedule. They may finish 9-3//6-3 (losing to Michigan), or they could finish 7-5//4-5. Will that "success" translate in year 3? We shall see.

In summary, not demoralized, and I could care less, because I still care a lot. I am RU For Life, unlike someone's screen name.

 

[retired711]

Or perhaps his delusions of grandeur have led him to using the Royal "We" when addressing these scenarios.

Mark Twain said that there are three kinds of people who can use "we" in the singular sense: royalty, editors, and people with parasites.

 

[jtung230]

For the miserable crowd, here is some food for thought. All comparisons cannot be 1:1, but here is a shot of a comparison of Schiano vs. "peers," assuming a worst case that Rutgers loses the 3 remaining games of his first 3 years. Peers beause they were hired in the last several years and the first 3 years included the 2020 covid year:

Schiano (excluding Gator Bowl): 12-21// 5-18 (conference)
Locksley (2019-21-exclude Bowl): 12-18//6-17 (conference)
Tom Allen (2017-18-exclude Bowl): 18-18//9-18 (conference) ((but 5-16 and 1-14 last two seasons))

Don't really consider B1G West teams Peers, but:
Scott Frost (2018-20) : 12-15//9-17 (((but 4-11//1-9 in final 2 years before fired)
Jeff Brohm (2017-2019-exclude bowls): 16-18//12-15 (in 2019-20--went 6-12//5-10))

Analysis: Locksley and Schiano have similar performance by record. I'm sure someone is going to go and parse through and say but they beat Penn State in 2020 (sofa king what). Tom Allen had 3 good years, but he has hit a really rough patch lately. Frost had a better conference record over his first 3 years, but he crashed and burned. Brohm has the best overall record, but his teams took a step back in years 3 and 4 before going 8-4/6-3 in 2021, and they may go 7-5/5-4 or even 8-4/6-3 this season.

Progress is not linear. Coaches that came out fast out the gate took a step back. Many of us expected RU to take a step back this year. Will we step forward like Brohm at Purdue in the next two years? Time will tell. There are reasons to be optimistic with defense and special teams, but the offense needs to be fortified.

I have left out the elephant in the room (and no pun intended)--Bret Bielema. But he did not coach in 2020. He is off to a nice start. But Rutgers beat Bielema in 2021 (but to the haters, Illinois sucked!!!). We will see how strong Bielema finishes with Purdue, Michigan and NW on the schedule. They may finish 9-3//6-3 (losing to Michigan), or they could finish 7-5//4-5. Will that "success" translate in year 3? We shall see.

In summary, not demoralized, and I could care less, because I still care a lot. I am RU For Life, unlike someone's screen name.

Tom Allen lost his QB and it’s been downhill since

 

[REDRICH65]

And who have we beaten?

 

[Knight Shift]

And who have we beaten?

 

[RU#1fan]

ummm. Any RU Football fan with a backbone.