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We are demoralized and/or could care less

They've beaten Central Connecticut State (FCS), Fresno State, FIU, BC and UMass. Not exactly a murderers row!
Agreed. We generally have people making assessments/quick comparisons without the use of context in anyway whatsoever… 50,000 feet views… Zero research…

Syracuse would have a worse record against our schedule, UCONN, Kansas and if I could really bet on it somehow, I would even say Illinois too.

** To the OP… Cheer up we are going to kick some ass tomorrow.
 
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Agreed. We generally have people making assessments/quick comparisons without the use of context in anyway whatsoever… 50,000 feet views… Zero research…

Syracuse would have a worse record against our schedule, UCONN, Kansas and if I could really bet on it somehow, I would even say Illinois too.

** To the OP… Cheer up we are going to kick some ass tomorrow.
Looked up to see what the in season SOS rankings are for us and some similar programs. I didn't expect UConn to be around us and they aren't. However, outside of Duke all the other programs are similar or better SOS to date. (games through 11/5/22)

Sagarin SOS

Rutgers 50
Kansas 15
Duke 81
KSU 8
Illinois 52
Cuse 44
WF 57
Oregon St 26
UConn 106

Massey SOS

Rutgers 46
Kansas 22
Duke 80
KSU 6
llinois 51
Cuse 54
WF 49
Oregon St 41
UConn 125
 
Agreed. We generally have people making assessments/quick comparisons without the use of context in anyway whatsoever… 50,000 feet views… Zero research…

Syracuse would have a worse record against our schedule, UCONN, Kansas and if I could really bet on it somehow, I would even say Illinois too.

** To the OP… Cheer up we are going to kick some ass tomorrow.

The problem with saying “ya but School X” would have a worse record with our schedule” is that your comparing teams with significantly less resources than Rutgers.

How much does UConn receive annually in media revenue? Kansas? Syracuse?

Obviously they would do worse.
That like saying “But Rutgers 2006 wouldn’t be ranked if they were in the Big Ten East”.
Duh - we’ve been operating on significantly less revenue.
 
Looked up to see what the in season SOS rankings are for us and some similar programs. I didn't expect UConn to be around us and they aren't. However, outside of Duke all the other programs are similar or better SOS to date. (games through 11/5/22)

Sagarin SOS

Rutgers 50
Kansas 15
Duke 81
KSU 8
Illinois 52
Cuse 44
WF 57
Oregon St 26
UConn 106

Massey SOS

Rutgers 46
Kansas 22
Duke 80
KSU 6
llinois 51
Cuse 54
WF 49
Oregon St 41
UConn 125
Those are subjective… Syracuse has played an overrated Clemson and a ND team that has struggled. Kansas hasn’t played anyone frankly due to bloated Big 12 schedule that was overrated to begin with.. What those ratings fail to analyze is the lines of scrimmage and that is why you see the ACC and Big 12 general struggle when matched up with the B1G and SEC. It is also why we have been struggling for a number of years in the B1G, some for Maryland and even Nebraska to a lesser extent.

What I was speaking to mostly are the people pointing to one season or two season turnarounds when not diving into them and saying why GS can’t do that so he is failing.

1. Ash left this program at a level (talent, depth and any other facet you can think of) 2.5 years ago lower than any other program. Period. One that frankly has been run on the cheap for years while those other programs were (stress were) funded much better. That has changed but the investment on our part hasn’t be realized yet. It will with patience… Look at MBB and many other sports.

2. The other programs (Kansas, Illinois, Syracuse, UCLA) that we are being compared to in many examples that I see floated around actually have been rebuilding much longer while we were still in free fall with Ash. Lovie Smith ( a super bowl coach) was purging/flipping and building that roster up until Bielema took over. Kansas had Les Miles doing the same before Lance Leipold. Dino Babers has been building/rebuilding for over six years and so has Chip Kelly.

3. All of those other program over the same 5 year span or even the first 3 years (of GS)?have played a significantly softer schedule. I’m certain if we looked at the averages of the 5 and 3 year span it would clearly show how difficult it has been and why we need to give GS some slack.
 
The problem with saying “ya but School X” would have a worse record with our schedule” is that your comparing teams with significantly less resources than Rutgers.

How much does UConn receive annually in media revenue? Kansas? Syracuse?

Obviously they would do worse.
That like saying “But Rutgers 2006 wouldn’t be ranked if they were in the Big Ten East”.
Duh - we’ve been operating on significantly less revenue.
Correct. You are right… This programs appear to look better at the 50,000 foot view but really aren’t. I totally get your point that we NOW have the resources but as I mentioned in my other post, that investment hasn’t been realized.

I think we can agree that Rutgers didn’t really start being “all in” until GS fought for it in negotiations. Even then we are still behind a lot of our conference peers that have been funded and commited for decades. We have the resources now, we have the coach now, we have a great schedule to sell…. We just need to let the investment work with time and patience.
 
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Those are subjective… Syracuse has played an overrated Clemson and a ND team that has struggled. Kansas hasn’t played anyone frankly due to bloated Big 12 schedule that was overrated to begin with.. What those ratings fail to analyze is the lines of scrimmage and that is why you see the ACC and Big 12 general struggle when matched up with the B1G and SEC. It is also why we have been struggling for a number of years in the B1G, some for Maryland and even Nebraska to a lesser extent.

What I was speaking to mostly are the people pointing to one season or two season turnarounds when not diving into them and saying why GS can’t do that so he is failing.

1. Ash left this program at a level (talent, depth and any other facet you can think of) 2.5 years ago lower than any other program. Period. One that frankly has been run in the cheap for years.

2. The other programs (Kansas, Illinois, Syracuse, UCLA) that we are being compared to in many examples that I see floated around actually have been rebuilding much longer while we were still in free fall with Ash. Lovie Smith ( a super bowl coach) was purging/flipping and building that roster up until Bielema took over. Kansas had Les Miles doing the same before Lance Leipold. Dino Babers has been building/rebuilding for over six years and so has Chip Kelly.

3. All of those other program over the same 5 year span or even the first 3 years (of GS)?have played a significantly softer schedule. I’m certain if we looked at the averages of the 5 and 3 year span it would clearly show how difficult it has been and why we need to give GS some slack.
I thought these ratings were with computer metrics. I'll take those over whatever other "subjective" stuff is out there or on the boards. Texas took it to Alabama and was plenty physical with them this year. Some of those teams are plenty physical like Baylor, KSU, ISU, Texas. This year they've gone a step back towards more offense but the last couple years they had some strong defensive teams. OSU took the DC from Ok. St. B12 isn't top heavy but it's deep and a good conference this year. In the past B12 teams have dragged teams like MSU or UGA in the postseason into shootouts rather the B10/SEC teams dragging them into slugfests. The SEC these days is even headed more in that direction.

IMO we've been struggling for years because we have no offense or qb. I wish we took a step towards a B12 offensive type team with someone who knows how to install it and I think we'd perform better.

I also don't see those programs deeper into a rebuild than us. Kansas and Illinois have sucked for a decade. If Miles/Smith were any good they wouldn't have been fired. These are long struggling teams that turned it around because of coaching. Whether they maintain some level of respectable is a question but IMO no way was some ground work laid for them by prior coaches to make them do well this year.
 
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I thought these ratings were with computer metrics. I'll take those over whatever other "subjective" stuff is out there or on the boards. Texas took it to Alabama and was plenty physical with them this year. Some of those teams are plenty physical like Baylor, KSU, ISU, Texas. This year they've gone a step back towards more offense but the last couple years they had some strong defensive teams. OSU took the DC from Ok. St. B12 isn't top heavy but it's deep and a good conference this year. In the past B12 teams have dragged teams like MSU or UGA in the postseason into shootouts rather the B10/SEC teams dragging them into slugfests. The SEC these days is even headed more in that direction.

IMO we've been struggling for years because we have no offense or qb. I wish we took a step towards a B12 offensive type team with someone who knows how to install it and I think we'd perform better.

I also don't see those programs deeper into a rebuild than us. Kansas and Illinois have sucked for a decade. If Miles/Smith were any good they wouldn't have been fired. These are long struggling teams that turned it around because of coaching. Whether they maintain some level of respectable is a question but IMO no way was some ground work laid for them by prior coaches to make them do well this year.
Miles/Lovie >>>> Ash

That is my point… They at least were moving in the right direction during their time while Ash dropped a bomb on us during the same period after Flood had just dropped a bomb.

Anyway you make so good points… But the only rankings that truly matter are the playoff rankings (better as we get further into season) and at this point we have played two of the two three programs. No other (I don’t think) outside the B1G can say that at this point of course maybe an SEC at one point earlier when the rankings were different but those are slowly improving and working themselves out.

In week 9 none of the other programs mentioned (as comparisons) have done that and I’m willing to bet if look at last years a similar argument could be made.

Bottom line… Greg needs time to build this… Just like Pike was given time and all the other coaches that we are seeing now starting to turn things around at Rutgers.
 
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We got Soccer in the finals … BB looking good and winning OOC like we expect them to .., WSoccer in the NCAAs … lots of winning team options to compete with.

Win today and there is hope for a bowl. Lose, and fan base knows there is no shot for 6-6.
 
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The problem with saying “ya but School X” would have a worse record with our schedule” is that your comparing teams with significantly less resources than Rutgers.

How much does UConn receive annually in media revenue? Kansas? Syracuse?

Obviously they would do worse.
That like saying “But Rutgers 2006 wouldn’t be ranked if they were in the Big Ten East”.
Duh - we’ve been operating on significantly less revenue.
UConn just beat a top 25 team .
when was our last top 25 win?
 
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