I've mentioned quite awhile ago I thought the B10 could split the tier 1 rights 3 ways but I was thinking more Fox, ESPN and either NBC or CBS (with CBS more likely). I thought keeping a toe in ESPN wasn't a bad thing and cutting them off completely has its risks but getting on 3 broadcast networks also has its benefits. So I guess we'll see but a 3 way split seems quite possible.
I wasn't even thinking sports like that but I guess that's possible too. I was thinking more about scripted content etc.. Point being proven content will still get theirs IMO, it's the unproven unknown content that might get hurt.
I believe that the 10 year, 3 billion dollar contract you referenced was just for the SEC game of the week that has been on CBS at 3:30.So i saw in one of the articles that
"But in 2020, a new bar was set with the SEC’s gargantuan 10-year, $3 billion deal with Disney that will commence in 2024."
Assuming worst case $1 billion per year for the BIG or 10-year, $10 billion deal with FOX/Amazon/NBC(Whatever),
Is that apples to apples? Every other article that projects future earnings show the SEC still getting more money per school in 5-10 years....
But that seems like a 7 Billion difference
Here is one article
More Coverage on the Future Television Negotiations and Conference Revenue
The Big 12 is in a tough spot and they need to find a way to convince the television interests to bid big on the upcoming negotiations.pokesreport.com
The Spring Dish: College football shifting quickly to a Power Two
Big paydays await the Big Ten and SEC, but the rest of the Power Five are expected to lag far behind by the end of the decade.247sports.com
Is the thought process that ESPN will need to renegotiate completely because of Texas and Oklahoma?
Do these projections not believe that the BIG was going to get 1 Billion per year...?
Correct on the details of the SEC GOTW.
Love the people that say projections were supposed to be well over $1 billion. Too funny. Some clowns in their mom's basement are such "experts"
Should amend this, read exclusivity of B10 Friday night games could be possible. The streamers want exclusive windows where there's less competition (not as much on Friday vs. Saturday) and it is likely to be mostly lower profile games so who knows. Unless the money is "really right" I'm still kind of doubtful...but younger generations do take their content differently so who knows how much they may want to get into streaming.
This is an interesting topic. Could be the streaming services could maybe benefit from a perceived "need" by older folk who don't stream right now. Also, we know advertisers pay a premium for "appointment" television... live sports or live shows or weekly shows with a huge audience where the viewers feel the need to see it as soon as it is on so they can discuss it with others tomorrow.
We probably were not in a very good negotiation position to get anything beyond the fixed figure
That’s a HUGE jump from $5M to $70M. Wow.Story on F1 media rights. I'm one of those people who went from no interest or knowledge of F1 to at least somewhat slight interest and knowledge in F1 because of Netflix's Drive to Survive. From the 5M/yr ESPN is paying now expectations are going up to 70M/yr and possibly as much as 100M/yr. Can't expect that kind of multiple for the B10 but point is money shows up for programming broadcasters know/think has an audience.
From the article:
The sport is entertaining offers from different broadcasters like NBC Universal, ESPN, Amazon, and even Netflix. The streaming platform is very keen to acquire the broadcasting rights for the sport so that they can stream the race live on their platform
As reported by Sportscasting.com, ESPN currently pays around $5 million annually to broadcast F1. But they are ready to up their offer and are willing to pay $70 million annually after the 2022 season to retain their rights to the sport. However, Liberty Media, owner of F1, is projecting offers in the range of $100 million.
Netflix, Amazon Named Suitors as $100 Million Bidding War Set to Break Out Over F1 Media Rights
Can Netflix swoop in to dethrone ESPN as F1's broadcasting partner in the USA? Read to know more about the bidding war for the F1 rights.www.essentiallysports.com
Yea it is. You can't expect anything close to that multiple for the B10 but point is money is there if you can deliver an audience and F1 isn't a huge audience compared to CFB but it is growing.
True... but it wouldn't have hurt to ask... maybe we did.
He is still unqualified, and I doubt the conference presidents are letting him negotiate the deal. They are paying a law firm to do so.
LOL. Kevin Warren's bio:
He FUBARed the whole cancel-the-season-over-Covid bit and he had to backtrack with his tail between his legs when the SEC clowned him.
He is going to sign the richest conference deal. Who gives a rats ass about the SEC.
Not to argue but do we know this to be 100% true?
Well if the stories are true yes but we are a week away past Memorial Day when this was supposed to happen so who the hell knows if this is real.Not to argue but do we know this to be 100% true?
Because I am all over that…
…but just not as “more” as the B1G.😎
Hard to know for sure it could be 10M+ difference when all deals kick in for either the SEC or the B10 but both will be about 30-40M in front of everyone else whatever the final numbers are.Not to argue but do we know this to be 100% true?
Because I am all over that…
…but just not as “more” as the B1G.😎
... until the SEC signs their next deal. And the Big Ten isn't signing their deal because of Warren; he was gifted the conference as it currently is. The only thing that has happened since he's got here is that his direct competitor (SEC) has gotten significantly better (Texas, Oklahoma) and the Supreme Court has put at least half his conference in a position where they will be unwilling (and unable) to compete going forward (NIL).
WTF are your babbling about? Your two posts are completely inapposite. And stop moving the goal posts. Warren was supposed to single-handedly usurp the voting power of the B1G presidents and stage a coup of Texas and Oklahoma, two teams that do not geographically and culturally fit in the B1G? And Warren is now tasked with upstaging the "next" SEC deal. OK, sure.
I disagree.
No goalposts have been moved. You said he was above criticism and I disagreed with you. Then I criticized him for the one major decision he has had since he took over.
Nope, there was nothing he could do about Texas and Oklahoma. What he should be doing is moving heaven and earth to steal the four California Pac12 teams before the SEC comes for Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. I have heard nothing reflected in the media that suggests that is what he is doing.
I don't. He's a lightweight and an activist.
I guess I am. I never really thought about it, but he was the best commissioner in sports (pro or college) over the last 25 years.
Maybe he should actually do something first before we go patting him on the back?
Grabbing more teams doesn't equal more money per school. You hate Warren. We all get it. But stop with the stupid, illogical statements trying to back your hatred viewpoint.
At this point, the goal shouldn't be "more money per school." The goal should be creating a viable alternative to SEC SUPER CONFERENCE USA. Because if there is no viable alternative to SEC SUPER CONFERENCE USA, the Big Ten will have schools leave to join SEC SUPER CONFERENCE USA and I assure you there will be less money per school. And yes, Warren is unimpressive.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com
"Fox Sports and the Big Ten are co-managing the rights. BTN, which is majority owned by Fox, controls the conference’s media rights and has been negotiating with media companies looking to pick them up."The Big Ten and Fox Sports have meetings set up all this week with at least six media and tech companies looking to pick up the college conference’s rights, sources tell me. Fox already has a deal in place to remain the conference’s biggest media partner, though the size of that package still hasn’t been determined as the conference figures out who its other media partners will be.
Currently, Amazon, CBS, ESPN and NBC are jockeying for the rest of the package, which could be sold to one, two or three other bidders. Execs from Warner Bros. Discovery and Apple will meet with the conference this week, too. But several sources say that talks with these two companies have not progressed, and they are considered dark horse candidates at best.
When all is said and done, the Big Ten is poised to become the first college conference to eclipse the $1 billion mark for media rights annually. Negotiations are expected to continue through this month; a final deal could come in late summer.
The point of this week’s meetings is to come up with the specific packages the networks want and the price they will pay. So far, CBS has been aggressive about getting a game for its late Saturday afternoon window, and NBC has shown interest in a Saturday night primetime window for Big Ten football. ESPN has made clear its desire to keep Big Ten games on its channels, too. The wild card is Amazon, which has made a strong push to bring the conference’s rights to Prime.
Fox Sports and the Big Ten are co-managing the rights. BTN, which is majority owned by Fox, controls the conference’s media rights and has been negotiating with media companies looking to pick them up.
SBJ Media: Big Ten, networks meet on new deals
Fox upped their stake in the BTN (in which they already controlled a slight majority) to around 60% IIRC. I think it was negotiated in the last deal that the BTN would control the B10 rights for some undetermined about of time. Warren and the conference still has final say in who gets what though. Fox helps to advise though. Here's an article on it.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com
This above makes me go…The Big Ten and Fox Sports have meetings set up all this week with at least six media and tech companies looking to pick up the college conference’s rights, sources tell me. Fox already has a deal in place to remain the conference’s biggest media partner, though the size of that package still hasn’t been determined as the conference figures out who its other media partners will be.
Currently, Amazon, CBS, ESPN and NBC are jockeying for the rest of the package, which could be sold to one, two or three other bidders. Execs from Warner Bros. Discovery and Apple will meet with the conference this week, too. But several sources say that talks with these two companies have not progressed, and they are considered dark horse candidates at best.
When all is said and done, the Big Ten is poised to become the first college conference to eclipse the $1 billion mark for media rights annually. Negotiations are expected to continue through this month; a final deal could come in late summer.
The point of this week’s meetings is to come up with the specific packages the networks want and the price they will pay. So far, CBS has been aggressive about getting a game for its late Saturday afternoon window, and NBC has shown interest in a Saturday night primetime window for Big Ten football. ESPN has made clear its desire to keep Big Ten games on its channels, too. The wild card is Amazon, which has made a strong push to bring the conference’s rights to Prime.
Fox Sports and the Big Ten are co-managing the rights. BTN, which is majority owned by Fox, controls the conference’s media rights and has been negotiating with media companies looking to pick them up.
SBJ Media: Big Ten, networks meet on new deals
But this one has me…Fox upped their stake in the BTN (in which they already controlled a slight majority) to around 60% IIRC. I think it was negotiated in the last deal that the BTN would control the B10 rights for some undetermined about of time. Warren and the conference still has final say in who gets what though. Fox helps to advise though. Here's an article on it.
From the article:
Acurious situation has been afoot during Big Ten media rights negotiations this year that has caused a lot of head scratching by TV network and digital executives.
Two senior Fox Sports executives — Mark Silverman and Larry Jones — are taking active roles during the conference’s media rights negotiations.
That means Silverman, Fox Sports president and COO, and Jones, Fox Sports executive vice president of business, have been in the room and listening intently as executives from rival companies — Amazon, Apple, CBS, ESPN, NBC and Turner — make their pitches for the conference’s rights packages.
Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren leads these meetings, of course. He has run the conference for three years and has final say on which company ends up with the rights. Kerry Kenny, the conference’s senior vice president of television, media, analytics and emerging platforms, also plays a big role during each of these meetings.
Executives say they’ve never encountered this type of situation before where they have had to make their pitch not only in front of a competitive network, but actually to its executives.
It’s all on the up-and-up, even if the situation is unusual. Sources say Fox Sports already has a deal in place to renew its Big Ten pact, so it’s not as though Silverman and Jones are gaining trade secrets as a way to enhance their own bid.
The presence of Silverman and Jones in these negotiations is part of a deal Fox Sports cut with the Big Ten when the previous rights agreements were signed in 2017.
The earlier deal gave Big Ten Network control of the media rights to the Big Ten conference for an undetermined period of time. Silverman, who ran Big Ten Network back in 2017, was part of the negotiations with ESPN as a BTN rep back then.
This year, Silverman and Jones are taking part in these talks as designated representatives of BTN, the channel in which Fox Sports is a majority owner and the entity that controls the Big Ten rights.
Essentially, the two Fox Sports executives are acting as both designated BTN representatives and media consultants, which is one reason why the Big Ten did not hire a media consultant to help it through these negotiations.
Sports Media: Fox Sports consults Big Ten in media rights negotiations
A curious situation has been afoot during Big Ten media rights negotiations this year that has caused a lot of head scratching by TV network and digital executives. Two senior Fox Sports executives — Mark Silverman and Larry Jones — are taking active roles during the conference’s media rights...
Sounds like a dumb move by Delaney. There. I said it.This above makes me go…
But this one has me…
Well there has always been international interest in F1 so that's status quo. The change is the growing US interest because of that Netflix series. Time difference will always create some issues (Sunday morning races etc..) but it still has a growing audience. I've seen even a couple make it to ABC IIRC. It's never going to be top sport here but it's room to grow.
Well Silverman did come from the BTN before he moved to Fox, so there must be some relationship there. It does seem strange but it's not as if the conference doesn't have final say on what deals are done. ESPN owned all the SEC except one game and owns the SEC Network and it didn't stop them from bidding a whopping 300M/yr for the SEC GOTW.
I think I read that Fox always had an option to expand their share of BTN ownership. It was an option that they chose to exercise.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com
That’s not where I was going with that.
I don't think B10 schools are going to the SEC. They don't view things in the same fashion IMO. If and it's a big if anything ever happened it would be subsets of top tier names from all the conferences breaking off somewhere down the line and making a conference but I'm still not sure that would happen either. BTW if that happened, they all can't be winners and would top tier brands want to be bottom feeders? I think a lining up and merger of rights between the SEC/B10 and chopping them up would be a better move..
I was just being provocative with the Delaney fanboys (and Warren bashers). So the new guy is in charge, but stuck to the format that was put in place by the former guy. Seems the B1G commissioner has little power or leeway on the deal. I'm guessing either all the B1G members (or at least a select committee) will have to approve too? Maybe @rutgersguy1 knows that too.
I don't know the finer details. Fox has the rights for I think half the package but even the details of that aren't hammered out yet according to reports....just how many games and the money probably still to be determined. I'm sure it will be based off what the other networks bid etc.. How the other half is split, we'll see. Again like I mentioned above, it could be another a situation of paying more for less with regards to the networks. I hope they split it 3 ways like I mentioned above and in the past and it seems like a possibility now. I'd stick with Fox, ESPN and peel off a game a week for CBS. Instead of the 300M/yr ESPN paid for the SEC GOTW maybe 100-200M for a B10 game but not particularly a top end one..maybe something on Friday nights for AMZN if they come in with a whopping number...something along those lines.
