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I never congratulated Warren . I said it’s not bad .Your post above congratulated Warren for the job he did on this deal and the 'haul' we will be receiving. That to me implies that you think this is a good deal.
Not a bad haul for a guy in Warren that was said to be unqualified for and bad at the job by many pos
Don’t let them here you say that out loud. Lol. According to “them” this is all delanys work that he laid out before he left and continues to do in his retirement. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Not a bad haul for a guy in Warren that was said to be unqualified for and bad at the job by many posters here
my problem with the original deal was that, while Rutgers payouts were FIXED.. the Big Ten shares were not. That is, Rutgers buy-in payouts were based on certain expectations and the Big Ten, which Rutgers was now a part of, EXCEEDED those expectations and Rutgers did not enjoy an increased share like the other programs did.Not true. This is a mis-notion that keeps getting repeated. We ARE getting a full share. The fact that we are paying back advances we received early on against that full share amount does nothing to change the fact that we are still EARNING a full share. What you earn and what you receive as cash flow are two entirely different concepts that keep getting confused. I am a CPA, so it bothers me when people misstate what is really happening.
Do you think we'd be the only Big Ten fan base that wonders if $1B is just as good as the $1.1 or $1.2 talked about? I think not. As soon as talks of $100M a team came up.. people were thinking $1.4B...What is UConn getting? $71 or $75 or $100 million are just crazy numbers...and we are pissing on it?
So, you were complimenting him and not the actual deal, correct?Not bad is not bad. It’s not great or good.
Did you miss that day in 4th grade vocabulary class?
I posted “Not a bad haul for a guy in Warren that was said to be unqualified…”So, you were complimenting him and not the actual deal, correct?
That's how I read it.
Right, which is complimentary according to a few dictionaries.I posted “Not a bad haul for a guy in Warren that was said to be unqualified…”
What is UConn getting? $71 or $75 or $100 million are just crazy numbers...and we are pissing on it?
What is UConn getting? $71 or $75 or $100 million are just crazy numbers...and we are pissing on it?
I think it’s closer to what @GoodOl'Rutgers said in his response than the former.In case you haven't noticed - the general make-up of this board is "Glass Half Empty" meets "I'll hold my grudge agenda forever".
Who is them? People here were reading in excess of $1 billion from experts in the field, the article posted was quoting $1 billion or $71 mil. a school. That would be below the low water mark which is why people are questioning it. On Delany, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if he didn't have the foresight to only sign a 6 yr. deal. So yeah you can thank him for this windfall which is about to be bestowed on the Conference.Don’t let them here you say that out loud. Lol. According to “them” this is all delanys work that he laid out before he left and continues to do in his retirement. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As someone else mentioned, this is only for Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV deals. It does not include BTN money, NCAA tourney distributions, Bowls and CFB Playoff money. Currently, this additional money accounts for around $20-$25 million annually to each school. This is in advance of an expanded playoff and renegotiated NCAA tourney tv deal.
Thanks.. solid info.. great ADD. Had no idea that BTN games were not included.As someone else mentioned, this is only for Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV deals. It does not include BTN money, NCAA tourney distributions, Bowls and CFB Playoff money. Currently, this additional money accounts for around $20-$25 million annually to each school. This is in advance of an expanded playoff and recently extended NCAA tourney tv deal.
Was the 100 mill just for the one contract or with the big ten network money included I'm assuming btn money is separateWell as @cubuffsdoug said and @koleszar mentioned too…$75M was the low end and kind of expected.
While great it’s not the “WOW” some of us thought. But again, not a done deal yet so who knows.
What's not mentioned is Disney greasing the plank to push ESPN off it. Disney plans to split ESPN from Disney's holding as its own company. It will not be under Disney's control. Think of Time Warner Cable (Spectrum) as no longer a part of Time Warner Media to get an idea of what will happen in the future. ESPN's ability to write checks without fear of it bouncing may be coming to an end. ESPN may lose the ability to showcase primetime "big game" since ABC will likely remain a part of Disney. I've read ESPN has cost more to Disney than what it's worth.So i saw in one of the articles that
"But in 2020, a new bar was set with the SEC’s gargantuan 10-year, $3 billion deal with Disney that will commence in 2024."
Assuming worst case $1 billion per year for the BIG or 10-year, $10 billion deal with FOX/Amazon/NBC(Whatever),
Is that apples to apples? Every other article that projects future earnings show the SEC still getting more money per school in 5-10 years....
But that seems like a 7 Billion difference
Here is one article
More Coverage on the Future Television Negotiations and Conference Revenue
The Big 12 is in a tough spot and they need to find a way to convince the television interests to bid big on the upcoming negotiations.pokesreport.com
The Spring Dish: College football shifting quickly to a Power Two
Big paydays await the Big Ten and SEC, but the rest of the Power Five are expected to lag far behind by the end of the decade.247sports.com
Is the thought process that ESPN will need to renegotiate completely because of Texas and Oklahoma?
Do these projections not believe that the BIG was going to get 1 Billion per year...?
After hearing from others in the thread I think it’s separate too.Was the 100 mill just for the one contract or with the big ten network money included I'm assuming btn money is separate
don't even try--some on here just love the blame game or, more probable, just too dumbIf you make $100k per year at your job, but you only take home $80k per year in your paycheck because you are paying your employer back for an earlier loan they gave you, how much do you make per year?
Here’s what’s important in the payout game, how everyone reports it. There’s still this perception out there that Rutgers athletics is a drain on the University. Show me an article where they report Rutgers received $52.6 mil. In payouts like the rest of the league save Maryland? They all report our take home after the advances are deducted leaving athletics with a bigger deficit in the Subsidy reporting.don't even try--some on here just love the blame game or, more probable, just too dumb
Who is them? People here were reading in excess of $1 billion from experts in the field, the article posted was quoting $1 billion or $71 mil. a school. That would be below the low water mark which is why people are questioning it. On Delany, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if he didn't have the foresight to only sign a 6 yr. deal. So yeah you can thank him for this windfall which is about to be bestowed on the Conference.
While we would most assuredly be ahead of the Syracuse's of the world, the reality is all of our conference mates get the same payout.It took a minute to sink in that it would be $1 billion per year!! Wow
Here’s what’s important in the payout game, how everyone reports it. There’s still this perception out there that Rutgers athletics is a drain on the University. Show me an article where they report Rutgers received $52.6 mil. In payouts like the rest of the league save Maryland? They all report our take home after the advances are deducted leaving athletics with a bigger deficit in the Subsidy reporting.
Do you or I care that Athletics receives $20 mil. In Direct Institutional Support? No. Does the media, professors, uneducated taxpayers and politicians? Absolutely. Athletics is still going to function no matter what. Changing that perception and getting these people off their asses while doing it is the goal. No one cares about the technical.aspect of it, they just want to see the bottom line. So too dumb no, it’s just how people see things.
I've met him and talked with him at length. I don't agree he has a number of flaws.Our President has a number of flaws imo, but sports is not one of them. He's all in. And he's told the faculty that.
They can whine all the want. Investments will continue to grow in athletics and winning is more of a focus than ever.
We have the right AD and the right vision. Now it's execution time. The Rutgers of old is dead.
Texas market is HUGE... and I'd bet there are a lot of Sooner fans across the Red River too.. We talked about the TV households added by Rutgers and Maryland... if you think of college football fan likelihood and interest in these teams.. it is competitive.. and more importantly..Was the 100 mill just for the one contract or with the big ten network money included I'm assuming btn money is separate
my problem with the original deal was that, while Rutgers payouts were FIXED.. the Big Ten shares were not. That is, Rutgers buy-in payouts were based on certain expectations and the Big Ten, which Rutgers was now a part of, EXCEEDED those expectations and Rutgers did not enjoy an increased share like the other programs did.
That could have been established from the start.. Rutgers could have had a percentage reduction rather than a fixed payout each season. In any case, we could not say no to any deal that got us in. It's just a shame that the Big Ten could not step up and reward their new partners (Rutgers and Maryland) with a taste of the newly increased payouts. Fair is fair. We helped earn it.
Year | Full Share Allocation (projected) | Rutgers Share (projected) | Difference |
2021 | $54,636,350 | $43,705,600 | $10,930,750 |
2022 | $56,275,441 | $46,029,566 | $10,245,875 |
2023 | $57,963,704 | $48,941,204 | $9,022,500 |
2024 | $59,702,615 | $50,970,215 | $8,732,400 |
2025 | $61,493,693 | $53,055,193 | $8,438,500 |
2026 | $63,338,504 | $56,178,379 | $7,160,125 |
2027 | $65,238,659 | $65,238,659 | $0 |
$54,530,150 |
That's usury. Clearly, the advances were loans. That's predatory lending!Let's set aside the original 6 year buy-in which as you mentioned was horrifically one-sided for the BIG (in addition to FIXED payouts - those FIXED payouts were based on our Big East/AAC payouts and not the actual value of the Big Ten Network share we were buying into).
Fall 2018 report:
https://www.nj.com/sports/g66l-2019...big-ten-and-you-wont-believe-the-numbers.html
https://scarletknights.com/documents/2019/1/31/CSS_Rutgers_Final_Report.pdf
2015-2020 we were allocated a reduced share as part of 6 year buy-in.
2021 we began to be "allocated" a full share.
However, we are "receiving" less because of advances:
$10m Initial Advance:
2019 - 3m
2020 - 7m
Additional 2017 advance of $38m
2018 - 14m
2019 - 13m
2020 - 11m
These are being repaid from 2021 through 2026 through "reduced shares"
Year Full Share Allocation (projected) Rutgers Share (projected) Difference 2021 $54,636,350 $43,705,600 $10,930,750 2022 $56,275,441 $46,029,566 $10,245,875 2023 $57,963,704 $48,941,204 $9,022,500 2024 $59,702,615 $50,970,215 $8,732,400 2025 $61,493,693 $53,055,193 $8,438,500 2026 $63,338,504 $56,178,379 $7,160,125 2027 $65,238,659 $65,238,659 $0 $54,530,150
The original payback projections were based NOT based on the upcoming increase in "full share payout".
It is critical that our current "reduced shares" are NOT fixed like the buy-in.
We need to receive $65m in 2023 (approx $75m-$9m) and NOT still receive the projected $48m.
Economy is about to crash and burn, I think all these media outlets, including streaming, are rethinking exactly how much they can spend on this type of content.Well Memorial Day has passed - seems like crickets aside from some articles 2 weeks ago that there was no firm time table. Hoping it is sooner than later.... Curious to see if we send some stuff to Amazon/Apple.
Well, live content (and the gambling that goes along with it) is the one that pushes it.Economy is about to crash and burn, I think all these media outlets, including streaming, are rethinking exactly how much they can spend on this type of content.
I wouldn't expect the streamers to be anything more than a supplement to traditional broadcast tv. I'd be surprised if they got some exclusive broadcasts with only streaming like NFL Thursdays on Amazon.Well Memorial Day has passed - seems like crickets aside from some articles 2 weeks ago that there was no firm time table. Hoping it is sooner than later.... Curious to see if we send some stuff to Amazon/Apple.
To an extent the amount they spend on content in general could be curtailed but the amount they spend for premium content I don't think will be affected too much. It's their lifeblood and they need content, especially live content, that will attract viewers.Economy is about to crash and burn, I think all these media outlets, including streaming, are rethinking exactly how much they can spend on this type of content.
Like the new USFL.To an extent the amount they spend on content in general could be curtailed but the amount they spend for premium content I don't think will be affected too much. It's their lifeblood and they need content, especially live content, that will attract viewers.
I think content that is known to attract viewers will still be fine. It's the throw stuff on the wall and see what sticks type of content that might get hurt.
It just played in my head.I would love for us to be the big 330 game on cbs . Same window sec has now . The production cbs gives is outstanding . And great theme music