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I wear those stretchy runner buffers that a lot of runners wear during the winter. Doesn’t impact breathing much and helps muffle my huffing and puffing. I run past enough people where I’d feel guilty if I wasn’t wearing anything.
 
Ronnie_B said:
Full context on what Dr. Ron Paul said:

Just a week or so ago the mainstream media and thousands representing the “medical community” told us we must throw out the “stay-at-home” orders and go to the streets to protest the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police. The Covid-19 virus will not bother people who are protesting this injustice, they said. The virus only attacks people leaving their homes to protest the stay-at-home orders.

Now, after thousands of businesses – many of them black-owned – have been reduced to rubble and innocent people in the inner cities no longer have anywhere to shop for the basic necessities of life, the mainstream media has backed off of its non-stop coverage of the protests. Suddenly last week they all simultaneously embraced a new fear story to terrify the masses: a “second wave” of coronavirus was among us. It was targeting those states that dared to “open up” their economies and begin a return to relatively normal lives.

Texas, Florida and California were singled out to scare the rest of the country into thinking that if you dare leave your homes you will catch coronavirus and die. There was a “spike” in coronavirus “cases” they claimed. Funny, just a month or so ago they were demanding that we massively increase testing, which would produce just that “spike” in coronavirus cases they are now using to scare authorities into reinstating the incredibly destructive stay-at-home orders.

In the county here in Texas that includes Houston, the young judge who somehow seized the power to shut down the third largest city in the United States warns us that she may again shut down Harris County to fight this “second wave” of cases. She even threatened to again pour millions of dollars into a “field hospital” at a Houston football stadium that did not see a single patient in the “first wave” of coronavirus. It’s hard not to wonder which politically-connected companies are reaping millions in contracts for an obviously un-needed hospital. Thousands of hospital beds in Houston are vacant, while cancer patients have been refused their screenings and desperately needed treatments.

As former Congressman David Stockman points out, the actual coronavirus numbers do not in any way support the media assertion that a “second wave” of infection is cresting over Texas. Stockman informs us that in Texas the “reported infected case rate of 256 per 100,000 is just 10 percent of the real ‘hot spot’ rate of 2,477 per 100,000 in the five boroughs of New York City; and its mortality rate of 6.2 per 100,000 population is just 3 percent of New York City’s 196 per 100,000 rate.”

There are no “hot spots” in Texas. It’s just more media hype.

It’s funny that they don’t dare mention Georgia, which has also opened its economy and has seen no “spike” at all.

The same people who were demanding more testing are now screaming that we must shut the economy down again because these tests – which are notoriously unreliable – are showing more coronavirus cases. This is a disease that 99.9 percent of the people who are infected with survive! But 40 million people out of work and the thousands of lives that will end due to the shutdown are never mentioned.

There is something else going on here, and it is in no way related to public health.
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1)I've agreed there was hypocrisy in not pressing more to the protesters about the covid danger. But I mean, those people were not going to stay home if the politicians asked them too.

2)The media? Yeah they suck.

3)Comparing Texas's per capita #'s to New Yorks is being a prisoner of the moment. It's true the problem in Texas is not the right now, it's what happens if the #'s keep rising and get to a dangerous level. NYC was absolutely at a dangerous level, Texas should want to be nowhere near that level.

3)Yes testing is up, put positivity rates are as well, so the amount of tests is part of the reason the #'s are up. But the fact that the virus is spreading is a big reason as well.

4)Are politicians pulling some shennanigans and making some under the table $$$ in building field hospitals. I would not be surprised.
 
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RU-05 said:
1)I've agreed there was hypocrisy in not pressing more to the protesters about the covid danger. But I mean, those people were not going to stay home if the politicians asked them too.

2)The media? Yeah they suck.

3)Comparing Texas's per capita #'s to New Yorks is being a prisoner of the moment. It's true the problem in Texas is not the right now, it's what happens if the #'s keep rising and get to a dangerous level. NYC was absolutely at a dangerous level, Texas should want to be nowhere near that level.

3)Yes testing is up, put positivity rates are as well, so the amount of tests is part of the reason the #'s are up. But the fact that the virus is spreading is a big reason as well.

4)Are politicians pulling some shennanigans and making some under the table $$$ in building field hospitals. I would not be surprised.
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I think on #2 he's dead on, people need to wake up to the media looking to stroke fears into the American public because when people are afraid/panicked, that's money in the media's pockets. And they know that too well.
 
Ronnie_B said:
I think on #2 he's dead on, people need to wake up to the media looking to stroke fears into the American public because when people are afraid/panicked, that's money in the media's pockets. And they know that too well.
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I think the obvious culprits of cable news are bad for the country. Unfortunately this is not something that is changing any time soon.
 
ArminRU said:
I wear those stretchy runner buffers that a lot of runners wear during the winter. Doesn’t impact breathing much and helps muffle my huffing and puffing. I run past enough people where I’d feel guilty if I wasn’t wearing anything.
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Doesn't that get hot af? Haven't seen anyone wearing masks running or hiking. One young couple walking their dog with masks, seemed entirely unnecessary.
 
ArminRU said:
I wear those stretchy runner buffers that a lot of runners wear during the winter. Doesn’t impact breathing much and helps muffle my huffing and puffing. I run past enough people where I’d feel guilty if I wasn’t wearing anything.
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I can't imagine that on a sunny day at all. Plus as others pointed out its more dangerous to you if you really are huffing and puffing. Gets too damp. Not good for you.
 
Ronnie_B said:
Full context on what Dr. Ron Paul said:

Just a week or so ago the mainstream media and thousands representing the “medical community” told us we must throw out the “stay-at-home” orders and go to the streets to protest the death of George Floyd at the hands of the police. The Covid-19 virus will not bother people who are protesting this injustice, they said. The virus only attacks people leaving their homes to protest the stay-at-home orders.

Now, after thousands of businesses – many of them black-owned – have been reduced to rubble and innocent people in the inner cities no longer have anywhere to shop for the basic necessities of life, the mainstream media has backed off of its non-stop coverage of the protests. Suddenly last week they all simultaneously embraced a new fear story to terrify the masses: a “second wave” of coronavirus was among us. It was targeting those states that dared to “open up” their economies and begin a return to relatively normal lives.

Texas, Florida and California were singled out to scare the rest of the country into thinking that if you dare leave your homes you will catch coronavirus and die. There was a “spike” in coronavirus “cases” they claimed. Funny, just a month or so ago they were demanding that we massively increase testing, which would produce just that “spike” in coronavirus cases they are now using to scare authorities into reinstating the incredibly destructive stay-at-home orders.

In the county here in Texas that includes Houston, the young judge who somehow seized the power to shut down the third largest city in the United States warns us that she may again shut down Harris County to fight this “second wave” of cases. She even threatened to again pour millions of dollars into a “field hospital” at a Houston football stadium that did not see a single patient in the “first wave” of coronavirus. It’s hard not to wonder which politically-connected companies are reaping millions in contracts for an obviously un-needed hospital. Thousands of hospital beds in Houston are vacant, while cancer patients have been refused their screenings and desperately needed treatments.

As former Congressman David Stockman points out, the actual coronavirus numbers do not in any way support the media assertion that a “second wave” of infection is cresting over Texas. Stockman informs us that in Texas the “reported infected case rate of 256 per 100,000 is just 10 percent of the real ‘hot spot’ rate of 2,477 per 100,000 in the five boroughs of New York City; and its mortality rate of 6.2 per 100,000 population is just 3 percent of New York City’s 196 per 100,000 rate.”

There are no “hot spots” in Texas. It’s just more media hype.

It’s funny that they don’t dare mention Georgia, which has also opened its economy and has seen no “spike” at all.

The same people who were demanding more testing are now screaming that we must shut the economy down again because these tests – which are notoriously unreliable – are showing more coronavirus cases. This is a disease that 99.9 percent of the people who are infected with survive! But 40 million people out of work and the thousands of lives that will end due to the shutdown are never mentioned.

There is something else going on here, and it is in no way related to public health.
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Georgia? WTF
1000 new cases yesterday. No spike at all. Yeah right.

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt...he-rise-again-georgia/eNotj84GOj59pLMY4qPfaL/
 
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WhiteBus said:
Or them passing you 0__0
I can't imagine that on a sunny day at all. Plus as others pointed out its more dangerous to you if you really are huffing and puffing. Gets too damp. Not good for you.
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meh, I’ve worn them in the winter too. Pretty sure it getting damp for my 30min jog isn’t dangerous. The WHO is clueless.
 
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Doesn't that get hot af? Haven't seen anyone wearing masks running or hiking. One young couple walking their dog with masks, seemed entirely unnecessary.
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Running in 80 degree heat is hot with or without it, wearing the buff is sort of the last thing on my mind when you’re in cardio pain. If there weren’t so many people around I wouldn’t wear anything, but the Hudson riverfront is crowded.
 
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Gottlieb on now.

24% of Texas hospitalizations are peoples between the ages of 20-29.

Where is the point of spread? Bars likely.
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Yeah saw that hospitalizations in Texas jumped up 11% yesterday. They still got plenty of room though. At some point they’ll need to hit the breaks, but looks like they are gonna let it get ugly first.
 
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1)June 10th is most likely not up to date, I almost guarantee it. Horowitz said June 3rd has 1 new patient. The other day the graph said 54 for June 3rd. Today it's 59. There is a lag. I'd be very very surprised if June 10th doesn't change.

The day he posted the article the graph showed a down ward trend. 1 new case for June 3rd. As of right now, June 2nd is the highest day for newly hospitalized Covid cases. June 3rd has 59 new cases. That may rise more, June 10th will most certainly rise, June 15th which currently shows 5 cases, will definitely rise.

I'll say it again there is a lag.



2)He says they are discovering more asymptomatic cases in hospitals. Does he have any #'s on this? We know he read the graph on new covid cases, and he provides no data that shows that they are discovering asymptomatic cases amongst patients who are in the hospital for other reasons. And I don't doubt they are, a little, but not significantly, and he provides nothing to show it either way. He's talking out his arse as far as I can see.

I'll say this again too, that article is bunk. Take the drop. Let's move on.
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LOL....there's no drop for me to take. Horowitz is providing an explanation for the increased case counts, and in addition to the same data the media had at the time, he cites a medical doctor, a public health director, an attorney in the field, other experts, and even articles from the NYT and WashPost. Yet you are fixated on an update to data that both Horowitz and the media had at the time the article was written.

Unless you can get help with reading comprehension issues we may as well move on...enough of your bunk already.
 
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BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
LOL....there's no drop for me to take. Horowitz is providing an explanation for the increased case counts, and in addition to the same data the media had at the time, he cites a medical doctor, a public health director, an attorney in the field, other experts, and even articles from the NYT and WashPost. Yet you are fixated on an update to data that both Horowitz and the media.

Unless you can get help with reading comprehension issues we may as well move on...enough of your bunk already.
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WTF? I've disproven his opening premise as grossly ill informed. His second premise comes with no data.

That article is garbage, and I am more then happy to move on from it.

Bottom line. AZ's cases, hospitilizations, ICU bed, Vent's, and deaths are all up. And they will continue to rise.
 
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Gottlieb does recommend taking Vitamin D if your not out in the sun much.

Which implies getting out in the sun and getting vitamin D naturally is a good thing.
 
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RU-05 said:
WTF? I've disproven his opening premise as grossly ill informed. His second premise comes with no data.

That article is garbage, and I am more then happy to move on from it.

Bottom line. AZ's cases, hospitilizations, ICU bed, Vent's, and deaths are all up. And they will continue to rise.
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LOL you're really bad at this...you continue to be oblivious to his "opening premise", and he cites experts in the field together with current reporting to support his premise. Bottom line, the hospitalized covid cases in AZ have continued to decline from June 2. Get some sleep guy.
 
Should be noted my issue with these states is not that they are opening up, it's that they are not taking it seriously. Many are not wearing masks. Many more are acting like this is media driven fake news. See Ron Paul above. He had some points but that article (or whatever it is) is not going to age well.
 
BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
LOL you're really bad at this...you continue to be oblivious to his "opening premise", and he cites experts in the field together with current reporting to support his premise. Bottom line, the hospitalized covid cases in AZ have continued to decline from June 2. Get some sleep guy.
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THEY HAVE NOT DECLINED.

IT'S A LAG IN ALLOCATION OF DATA.

How are you not understanding this?
 
RU-05 said:
THEY HAVE NOT DECLINED.

IT'S A LAG IN ALLOCATION OF DATA.

How are you not understanding this?
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I'm not disputing a lag effect, no need to try and lie because you're angry. Let me know when the AZ covid hospitalization numbers catch back-up to the June 2 peak. I'll wait...
 
BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
I'm not disputing a lag effect, no need to try and lie because you're angry. Let me know when the AZ covid hospitalization numbers catch back-up to the June 2 peak. I'll wait....
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So In a week, when the reporting of data catches up to the reality, and I post the #'s which will show June 2nd is not the peak, will you accept that the point I am making is correct? Because I am very confident that is what will happen.

Just an FYI:

June 2nd Vent's in use 585. Yesterday: 714.

June 2nd ICU bed in use 1279. Yesterday: 1385.

But yeah, I'm going to post the #'s in a week.
 
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RU-05 said:
Hard to say because I can't even find GA's dashboard. I mean, I think I'm on the site, but I can't find any actual info.
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In Philly we are still in the yellow phase. Myself weeks ago and my neighbor's mom (102) was just admitted the Pennsylvania Hospital. It is nearly empty. Emergency ward completely empty as only life threatening issues are accepted. Open states are getting back to normal and they are allowing optional procedures. Most hospitals run at 90% of capacity in normal times. Have to support the facility. Pennsylvania Hospital, the home base of Penn Medicine was at 38% occupancy at noon today. Once Philly goes green they will be close to 100% to make up the 3 month backlog of optional procedures.
 
WhiteBus said:
In Philly we are still in the yellow phase. Myself weeks ago and my neighbor's mom (102) was just admitted the Pennsylvania Hospital. It is nearly empty. Emergency ward completely empty as only life threatening issues are accepted. Open states are getting back to normal and they are allowing optional procedures. Most hospitals run at 90% of capacity in normal times. Have to support the facility. Pennsylvania Hospital, the home base of Penn Medicine was at 38% occupancy at noon today. Once Philly goes green they will be close to 100% to make up the 3 month backlog of optional procedures.
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Hospitals being empty(and losing $$$) is definitely an odd side effect of Covid.

I wouldn't say it's unwarranted, but like the economy as a whole, the economics of the hospitals does need to be considered.
 
I am seeing way too many vehicles with FLORIDA plates here in the Boone, NC, area. It is awful. Boone just passed a mask requirement. It begins on Saturday. Way too late.
 
So In a week, when the reporting of data catches up to the reality, and I post the #'s which will show June 2nd is not the peak, will you accept that the point I am making is correct? Because I am very confident that is what will happen.

Just an FYI:

June 2nd Vent's in use 585. Yesterday: 714.

June 2nd ICU bed in use 1279. Yesterday: 1385.

But yeah, I'm going to post the #'s in a week.[/QUOTE]
We already talked about that lag in vent/ICU data reflecting patient progression. Whatever...you still don't understand what the article was saying about case increases....smh
 
RU-05 said:
Hospitals being empty(and losing $$$) is definitely an odd side effect of Covid.

I wouldn't say it's unwarranted, but like the economy as a whole, the economics of the hospitals does need to be considered.
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The problem might be them trying to recover the optional procedures and if there is a second wave worse than this one they will be full at the improbable next wave.
 
BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
You're a little late to the party.. we know cumulative numbers will rise by basic math...duh. The data I've been pointing to is the daily counts...-05 knows this, I believe anyway. And I never said there's NO CAUSE for concern.
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Late to the party? You are at a different party all together. You said numbers have continued to decline. Current numbers of inpatients, critical care and ventilator patients associated with CV-19 are at an all time high. The article points them out as "in use" metrics. Meaning right now. Not cumulative. So you can "duh" yourself.
 
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If you don't accept the lag in reporting, you'd think that every new covid patient goes directly to a ventilator.
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I'm not sure what you are getting at here. I know plenty well enough to understand the progression of CV-19. If it is pointed out the most current data shows "in use" ICU beds and ventilators are at an all time high I go with it. Next weeks lagged data is sure to be worse, unfortunately.
 
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Ronnie_B said:
I just got done yesterday riding at 6 Mile Run yesterday and saw a biker heading to the trails with a mask on and asked if he really planned on wearing that and he said something but couldn't understand the muffle. When it's cooler out I could see it being possible but mountain biking in the heat with a cover over your mouth has to be unbearable.
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Maybe he was doing some restrictive airflow training.
 
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