Should be noted I'm also not a CE board player. Nor do I have an agenda, I just think the data is trending badly.
I also think the battle should not be frowned upon. As long as people are willing to keep it honest.
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I also think the battle should not be frowned upon. As long as people are willing to keep it honest.
Don’t know about other European countries but co-workers in both London and Paris have told me they were on mandatory quarantine/lockdown and literally not allowed outside the house.
England you could only go outside for a run/walk once a day for an hour at most.
Would have been interesting to see Gov. Murphy mandate nobody leave their house at all except for an hour a day.
My father needed a note to go out in Italy. The police can stop anybody, don't need a reason. If you didn't have a not I believe you were fined.
And here are your response to me last night night. Void of facts Void of data. 100% your opinion.
You get worse day by day.
You quoted two of his posts. In the first, he stated 3 facts. In the second, he said he doesn't have a problem with these "battles," or in other words, opinion-based discussions. So regardless of if every single post of his contains facts/data or not, your point about his post containing solely opinion is moot.
The three facts, by the way, are:
1. More cases do in fact lead to more hospitalizations, unless testing also increased at the same rate. It has not, as percent positives is increasing (yesterday was 6.4%, today 7.7% with the most cases we've ever had; it had been consistently under 5% for a while)
2. Treatments are significantly better than they were at the early stages. True. Don't think anyone could or would dispute that.
3. Deaths are starting to tick up. Again, true, week over week.
Yes, I acknowledged previously that you never have posted on the CE Board. Agenda is probably a poor choice in words. My point is more that we all have our political bias, whether we posted on the CE Board or not.
I really believe that Numbers agenda is to bring information to the Rutgers community, which I think you are doing as well.
We can all agree to disagree on certain issues. Just as long as we are respectful and this thread does not get locked.
Deaths starting to tick up is a fact. The second post is not from last night.
Not sure as most states with rising cases are not doing a good job in contact tracing.
The science, heavy breathing, staying in one spot for a relatively long period of time, makes plenty of sense. Would be nice to have data I agree. But unless we see data that says otherwise why not lean on rational thinking?
In certain states. The country as a whole has been trending downward though that looks to have leveled this week from last week.
Deaths in states like Texas, FL, AZ, and CA, the ones that have had the most cases recently, do all look to be moving upward.
South Korea traced quite a few of their super spreading events to fitness centers.
"Anything in the western hemisphere?" - Bac, probably
AZ today reported their most deaths to date with 79. The previous high was 67 from May 8th. Yesterday they reported 42 deaths. So this was the first time AZ has reported 40 or more deaths on back to back days.
FL's 4 day Sunday to Wed total of 138 deaths was the highest total in that 4 day span since late April.
Last weeks total of fatalities for Texas was the most they have had in a month.
Click the links. All sorts of info in there.
that poster is unbearable. Ironic that he calls out the CE people. When he makes personal attack, brainless posts constantly that belong only in the CE board.
But when questioned you both don't answer the question. You provide the crap that doesn't answer the question. You are doing it again tonight.
See above.
Including AZ with highest reported fatalities to date. Highest 2 day total to date.
Compared to NY NJ PA? That was my original question which you in two days have not answered
Cases in these states are spiking. The hospital rates are jumping.
The fatalities are starting to show upward trends as well.
If you think the previous two continue without the latter following that lead you are not paying attention.
Does this mean those states will be as bad as NYC at it's worse? I doubt that. Lower viral loads, significantly better testing, and significantly better treatments say that is highly unlikely. But if cases continue as they are now, I do not see how deaths don't rise significantly.
The fatalities are starting to show upward trends as well.
If you think the previous two continue without the latter following that lead you are not paying attention.
Does this mean those states will be as bad as NYC at it's worse? I doubt that. Lower viral loads, significantly better testing, and significantly better treatments say that is highly unlikely. But if cases continue as they are now, I do not see how deaths don't rise significantly.
Same question I always ask. Do we know the average age of the fatalities. Not saying deaths at any age are justified- but it adds context.
I said it was less in my original response.
But as is your MO, if something is not untenable, then it is completely OK.
strange how the football board crazies haven't yet figured out the covid thread is the only football thread that matters.
don't know what eliminating the CE board was about, (very bizarre), but at least a Covid board would be nice.
but right now the only football or basketball story is Covid.
don't know what eliminating the CE board was about, (very bizarre), but at least a Covid board would be nice.
but right now the only football or basketball story is Covid.
all we ever get is totals on cases and deaths, and very little else other than trending and when hospitalizations get close to capacity in an area.
newspapers are just as bad.
the local paper showed 8 total county covid deaths up to the end of May or early June, up from 6 a couple weeks before, and a few days later they changed the death total to 26. (and has been stuck there since).
so wtf happened in those few days.
did a bus full of covid patients drive off a cliff or something?
zero info on age groups or anything else.
and why is this info deliberately being withheld from the public.
this info could all be given without invading on anyone's privacy.
and if someone dies of or is even hospitalized for covid, isn't it in the public's best interest to identify said individual so as to put all those who may have had close contact with them, and their tangential contacts, on notice.
if the sports guys were doing this instead of the news rooms, we'd know the ages of every hospitalization and death, any mitigating circumstances health wise, or if they worked or lived in a nursing home or prison or close quarter work environment, etc.
we'd also get the rates of the numbers and percentages of hospitalizations that survive and get released, along with age data on that.
so wtf is up with everything being so hush hush on any info other than new cases and deaths, with the occasional available beds or increased/decreased hospitalizations info, with absolutely zero detail other than totals..
we can handle the truth, but whatever forces control things sure don't want to give us anything but beyond ridiculously bare minimal data, in the biggest story since WWII.
newspapers are just as bad.
the local paper showed 8 total county covid deaths up to the end of May or early June, up from 6 a couple weeks before, and a few days later they changed the death total to 26. (and has been stuck there since).
so wtf happened in those few days.
did a bus full of covid patients drive off a cliff or something?
zero info on age groups or anything else.
and why is this info deliberately being withheld from the public.
this info could all be given without invading on anyone's privacy.
and if someone dies of or is even hospitalized for covid, isn't it in the public's best interest to identify said individual so as to put all those who may have had close contact with them, and their tangential contacts, on notice.
if the sports guys were doing this instead of the news rooms, we'd know the ages of every hospitalization and death, any mitigating circumstances health wise, or if they worked or lived in a nursing home or prison or close quarter work environment, etc.
we'd also get the rates of the numbers and percentages of hospitalizations that survive and get released, along with age data on that.
so wtf is up with everything being so hush hush on any info other than new cases and deaths, with the occasional available beds or increased/decreased hospitalizations info, with absolutely zero detail other than totals..
we can handle the truth, but whatever forces control things sure don't want to give us anything but beyond ridiculously bare minimal data, in the biggest story since WWII.
I don't have that data. Not in terms of timeline anyways.
Overall AZ
Nearly 1100 are 65+
Nearly 200 are 55-64
Nearly 100 45-54
76 between 20-44
6 under the age of 20.
NJ, NY, Texas, Maryland and Massachusets all have age breakdowns of deaths on their website.
Because it's not accurate. The recovered stats are estimated recovered. They don't follow up with every patient every day asking are you recovered are you recovered? Some people have symptoms for months.
Here’s the data - death rate going down substantially not ticking up. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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