COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[bac2therac]

no...he just says heavy breathing...he is full of crap

it is criminal what he is doing....NJ is one of only 4 states not reopening gyms....Mass, NY and suprisingly NC are the others. Philly and the se counties of PA will be opening their gyms on June 26. I bet you NYC will have their gyms open before NJ

there is no date in sight, no end in sight, the guy has never shared any data or science, he refuses to allow any other elected official to see, he is full on fos

 

[RU848789]

Nurse from LI says Florida COVID-19 surge is less severe than New York's crisis


“The patients are less sick; the cases are milder for sure,” Layton Ferreira said of her recent work in the emergency room at St. Anthony’s Hospital in downtown St. Petersburg. “I’m seeing a lot of positive cases, but we’re sending them home to self-isolate.”

Over the past five weeks, Layton Ferreira said she only had one patient who needed to be intubated.

“And he was actually COVID negative. He had a lot of other comorbidities,” she added.

...

But Layton Ferreira, a travel nurse, said she saw much worse in New York.

“I was at NYU Langone a few months ago, and those patients were super, super sick,” she said. “At the beginning, it was much worse.”


https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavi...19-surge-is-less-severe-than-new-yorks-crisis

Anecdotes are often misleading. It's far more likely that the difference is testing. At the height of the worst outbreak in the short history of this virus, in NY/NJ, only significantly ill people were even being tested and even some of them weren't tested, since it was obvious they had COVID and doing the test would've simply endangered the staff (which is a big part of why both states had a fair amount of "presumptive positive" COVID deaths). Now, we have at least an order of magnitude more testing per infection going on in places like FL/TX vs. NY/NJ a few months ago, so it stands to reason that we're finding a much greater percentage of people with mild symtoms and a much lower % with serious symptoms. Has nothing to do with the virus weakening - or at least not that any virologist worth his/her salt has said.

However, while it's doubtful the virus is weakening, per se, given pretty high death rates, still, in South/Central America, there is some possibility that more transmissions these days are involving less of a viral dose, given more masks/distancing and many doctors have seen a difference in infection evolution/seriousness based on the starting point of the infection (i.e., the dose). There's no strong data on this yet, but as a thought experiment, it's interesting and should be evaluated (breathing in 1000 vs. 100 viral particles both might result in infections, but of different severities). The other factor in death rates probably decreasing is we've gotten better at medical interventions and we're likely seeing results from better drugs/plasma. It becomes difficult to separate those factors out to "know" for sure what's going on.

 

[RU848789]

no...he just says heavy breathing...he is full of crap

it is criminal what he is doing....NJ is one of only 4 states not reopening gyms....Mass, NY and suprisingly NC are the others. Philly and the se counties of PA will be opening their gyms on June 26. I bet you NYC will have their gyms open before NJ

there is no date in sight, no end in sight, the guy has never shared any data or science, he refuses to allow any other elected official to see, he is full on fos

Heavy breathing is significantly more risky than standard breathing, so he's not full of crap. However, one would think if other states have figured out ways to account for such things, NJ could too.

 

[ArminRU]

Have people wear masks at the gym, add space/barriers between machines and clean all day long. Don't understand not opening at this point.

 

[RU848789]

Have people wear masks at the gym, add space/barriers between machines and clean all day long. Don't understand not opening at this point.

Faceshield would likely be just as effective and far less constricting for the wearer, especially when breathing heavily.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

And we have over 120K deaths when we could have about 1000-2000 if we had followed our own pandemic playbook. And we could be having maybe 10-20 die per day now instead of still having 500-1000, but people are either too selfish or too stupid to wear masks. I simply don't get it and probably never will. This used to be a country where people looked out for each other and pulled together in times of crisis and might even sacrifice a little for the common good. Not any more, clearly.

What in the playbook would have fired the starting gun?

 

[RU-05]

I can just see some on here trying to counter this with some stupid spin! I've been saying this for a few months. Asked the usual suspects about deaths in the South compared to the NE just last night. None of them responded to the question. Instead paragraphs of excuses and nonsense that had nothing to do with my question.

I very much answered your question.

 

[bac2therac]

Heavy breathing is significantly more risky than standard breathing, so he's not full of crap. However, one would think if other states have figured out ways to account for such things, NJ could too.

until he shows the data, yes he is

 

[RU-05]

Have people wear masks at the gym, add space/barriers between machines and clean all day long. Don't understand not opening at this point.

I think if we are being honest, we can all understand it.

Do we agree with it? I would have been more aggressive opening up a couple months ago, but that probably would not have been proven smart in the long run.

So yeah I'd like to see Murphy be more leniant, or perhaps better put more aggressive in opening, but I'm also seeing states spike with cases in the early days of summer. The real concern of a 2nd spike was supposed to be fall, yet we are seeing it in June.

We were smashed once by the virus, right or wrong, Murphy is being ultra cautious so we don't get smashed again.

 

[RU-05]

until he shows the data, yes he is

Do you need data to know that people breathe more heavily(and stay in place a longer period of time) in a gym as opposed to other settings?

 

[bac2therac]

he is waiting so he can keep them closed the rest of the year...if he waits long enough its the fall and we need to prepare for the 2nd wave, absolves him of any blame...of course he never addresses his nursing home crimes

 

[bac2therac]

Do you need data to know that people breathe more heavily(and stay in place a longer period of time) in a gym as opposed to other settings?

no i need data as to why we cannot open gyms like the rest of the country

is our situation different than Philadelphia somehow

are child care centers safer than a gym..lmfao

 

[WhiteBus]

TX started to trend up last week. FL is showing signs of a trend with it's weekend/early week reporting.

And I'm not sure if waiting for a spike in deaths is a solid strategy. Cases are way up. Hospitalizations are trending upward quickly. Even with a moderate up tick in fatalities, is that not enough to take notice.

I very much answered your question.

No you didnt!! I asked for a graph on deaths. The above is a bunch of BS as your response. That is not an answer! You do know what a graph is.
Until last night I didn't think twice that you and #s had an agenda. Now both your responses say otherwise. Respond to a simple question with the simple answer but both of you would rather "stay on topic" unfortunately the topic is restricted to only your viewpoints.

 

[RU-05]

he is waiting so he can keep them closed the rest of the year...if he waits long enough its the fall and we need to prepare for the 2nd wave, absolves him of any blame...of course he never addresses his nursing home crimes

I've seen other people predict Murphy would reclose parks, and then more preditions he would reclose beaches.

People love to complain when some make wrong predictions, yet when they make predictions that prove false? Just move on like it never happened.

 

[bac2therac]

I've seen other people predict Murphy would reclose parks, and then more preditions he would reclose beaches.

People love to complain when some make wrong predictions, yet when they make predictions that prove false? Just move on like it never happened.

really? I dont recall anyone making those predictions here


with Pennsy reopening its last counties on June 26, you would think that Murphy would follow suit, nope its the same old for him. When IS IT APPROPRIATE..for one the beaches will never close, the public is speaking and they arent wearing masks on the beach or boardwalk you cant put that genie back in the bottle

 

[RU848789]

No you didnt!! I asked for a graph on deaths. The above is a bunch of BS as your response. That is not an answer! You do know what a graph is.
Until last night I didn't think twice that you and #s had an agenda. Now both your responses say otherwise. Respond to a simple question with the simple answer but both of you would rather "stay on topic" unfortunately the topic is restricted to only your viewpoints.

I have an agenda because I didn't provide a graph of deaths, but did verbally say what the graphs looked like? Do you know how much friggin' work I put into this thread? I was busy with other stuff and I've given countless links to the places to get graphics like that - you're always welcome to post your own.

 

[bac2therac]

Faceshield would likely be just as effective and far less constricting for the wearer, especially when breathing heavily.

hard pass

 

[bac2therac]

I've seen other people predict Murphy would reclose parks, and then more preditions he would reclose beaches.

People love to complain when some make wrong predictions, yet when they make predictions that prove false? Just move on like it never happened.

ironic

 

[RU-05]

No you didnt!! I asked for a graph on deaths. The above is a bunch of BS as your response. That is not an answer! You do know what a graph is.
Until last night I didn't think twice that you and #s had an agenda. Now both your responses say otherwise. Respond to a simple question with the simple answer but both of you would rather "stay on topic" unfortunately the topic is restricted to only your viewpoints.

A)Telling someone to post a graph is not actually a question. This is something you could do. Don't be afraid to bring some of your own info to the discussion.

But.

B)https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Definite increase last week. Worst since late May. Showing signs of plateau on that level this week.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Week over week, Sunday-Wed reporting is highest totals since early May.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/

Note here that todays deaths which are not yet in the graph is the highest total for AZ to date, by a pretty good stretch.

 

[RU-05]

ironic

Is this in regards to a prediction I have made?

 

[RU-05]

really? I dont recall anyone making those predictions here


with Pennsy reopening its last counties on June 26, you would think that Murphy would follow suit, nope its the same old for him. When IS IT APPROPRIATE..for one the beaches will never close, the public is speaking and they arent wearing masks on the beach or boardwalk you cant put that genie back in the bottle

Yes it did happen, whether you recall it is not important.

 

[WhiteBus]

I have an agenda because I didn't provide a graph of deaths, but did verbally say what the graphs looked like? Do you know how much friggin' work I put into this thread? I was busy with other stuff and I've given countless links to the places to get graphics like that - you're always welcome to post your own.

You and #s talk about how much work you do on this thread like you own the facts. You are presenting your biased based opinion. To fit your viewpoint. Your response did not include a graph nor did you supply data.
Laughable that both of you are "too busy"! You both are too busy finding facts that you want to present. The hours you spend on posting is overload. You are consumed with supporting your agenda. You both nearly post 24hrs a day but you are too busy. Please stop. Admit that you cherry pick and move along.

 

[WhiteBus]

A)Telling someone to post a graph is not actually a question. This is something you could do. Don't be afraid to bring some of your own info to the discussion.

But.

B)https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Definite increase last week. Worst since late May. Showing signs of plateau on that level this week.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Week over week, Sunday-Wed reporting is highest totals since early May.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/

Note here that todays deaths which are not yet in the graph is the highest total for AZ to date, by a pretty good stretch.

And is this worse or better than NY NJ and PA??
Unreal.

 

[RU-05]

And is this worse or better than NY NJ and PA??
Unreal.

It's better.

But is better then completely awful, good? Not necessarily. And that is something that you just can't seem to grasp.

It is also very likely given the continued spikes in cases that those fatalities will continue to grow.

Very real.

 

[RU-05]

You and #s talk about how much work you do on this thread like you own the facts. You are presenting your biased based opinion. To fit your viewpoint. Your response did not include a graph nor did you supply data.
Laughable that both of you are "too busy"! You both are too busy finding facts that you want to present. The hours you spend on posting is overload. You are consumed with supporting your agenda. You both nearly post 24hrs a day but you are too busy. Please stop. Admit that you cherry pick and move along.

Dude, beyond the fact that you are confused as to who you are responding to, you could actually bring something to the thread yourself. Some sort of actual data beyond just disputing what others bring with nothing more then opinion.

 

[WhiteBus]

Dude, beyond the fact that you are confused as to who you are responding to, you could actually bring something to the thread yourself. Some sort of actual data beyond just disputing what others bring with nothing more then opinion.

No I'm not confused at all. Poor attempt at your spin. Reminds me of Watergate. A non denial denial. You can stand up to your principals which is fine but doesn't mean what you post isn't biased.

 

[RU-05]

No I'm not confused at all. Poor attempt at your spin. Reminds me of Watergate. A non denial denial. You can stand up to your principals which is fine but doesn't mean what you post isn't biased.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

One thing is sure though, you did not provide any relevant info.

 

[bac2therac]

Is this in regards to a prediction I have made?

OP in January

 

[bac2therac]

Do you need data to know that people breathe more heavily(and stay in place a longer period of time) in a gym as opposed to other settings?

guess what this isnt going away, we need to live, yes gyms need to open just like everything else needs to open

 

[RU-05]

My goodness 6000+ new cases for Texas today. 2 weeks ago they were setting new highs with 2400 new case.

 

[RU-05]

guess what this isnt going away, we need to live, yes gyms need to open just like everything else needs to open

I don't completely disagree with this idea.

But do we need to act like nothing is actually happening? I don't think so.

The question then is: where do you draw the line? I think Gym's are questionable. As are casinos. It's sticky. Let's not act like it is not.

 

[RU-05]

OP in January

Petty crap that is not conducive to a healthy discussion.

Was #'s wrong in January? I have no clue as I was barely thinking about Covid in early March.

Let's stay relevant.

 

[WhiteBus]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

One thing is sure though, you did not provide any relevant info.

Last night you didn't either. You posted a bunch of nonsense. You came on here today to say you did respond with graphs or data.I reposted the crap that you really posted to prove that your post was just spin, void of facts or graphs. You answered last night's question with complete BS. Yes you have an agenda!

 

[bac2therac]

Pretty crap that is not conducive to a healthy discussion.

Was #'s wrong in January? I have no clue as I was barely thinking about Covid in early March.

Let's stay relevant.

its relevant because he has posted every other day the same lament about how crappy the cdc and Trump response was

 

[albanyknight]

Anybody who looks at most of Europe's numbers can see that they have done a superior job to us in handling the pandemic. Now I am sure there are charts and graphs out there that say otherwise, but who on this board can say honestly, that we have done the better job in handling the virus?

We are in the situation we are in for two reasons: 1) lack of Federal government oversight and and a coherent plan and: 2) people refusing to wear masks and practice social distancing.

Here in our country, NYS is the model for best handling the pandemic. That does not mean that NYS didn't make mistakes. They did and a lot of them. But NYS had a calamity on their hands and got it under control.

It remains to be seen if NYS can maintain control as we re-open up.

The problem with much of this discussion is that we are in the beginning of the 2nd quarter of this pandemic. So, making declarations either way are at best just guesses as things need to be played out.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't completely disagree with this idea.

But do we need to act like nothing is actually happening? I don't think so.

The question then is: where do you draw the line? I think Gym's are questionable. As are casinos. It's sticky. Let's not act like it is not.

if its sticky...dont go, no one is forcing you.....46 other states are doing it and im sure nyc will be doing it before king murphy

 

[albanyknight]

Last night you didn't either. You posted a bunch of nonsense. You came on here today to say you did respond with graphs or data.I reposted the crap that you really posted to prove that your post was just spin, void of facts or graphs. You answered last night's question with complete BS. Yes you have an agenda!

And respectively, so do you. So, do all of us.

We all come with our own biases and political slant.

Now that we have all agreed that we all come with an agenda, can we just get back to posting more data and information and less opinions of our fellow posters?

 

[WhiteBus]

And respectively, so do you. So, do all of us.

We all come with our own biases and political slant.

Now that we have all agreed that we all come with an agenda, can we just get back to posting more data and information and less opinions of our fellow posters?

I have no bias at all. In all my years I never posted on the CE Board. I hate politics period. I am battling with former CE people that have an agenda.

 

[RU-05]

if its sticky...dont go, no one is forcing you.....46 other states are doing it and im sure nyc will be doing it before king murphy

The problem with this idea is, when a person says "i'm willing to risk my own health" they are also saying "I'm willing to risk the health of others".

46 other states are doing it, but 20+ of those are seeing a rise in cases. Some of those steep rises.

 

[RU-05]

Last night you didn't either. You posted a bunch of nonsense. You came on here today to say you did respond with graphs or data.I reposted the crap that you really posted to prove that your post was just spin, void of facts or graphs. You answered last night's question with complete BS. Yes you have an agenda!

It wasn't devoid of facts. Texas's fatalities are rising. Florida is showing an increase in the trends as well.

That is what I said.