COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Trump did not order any businesses closed, let alone forcing churches to shut down but allowing liquor stores to be open.
But we are not seeing these number spread evenly across the state but as before in the major population centers (where the protest happened) but to Barnaby's point of using Chicago as an example, Illinois is still shut down. LA, Phoenix, Dallas and Huston were opener (is that a word?).
LOL you are foolish. A lockdown was needed. The virus destroyed our economy, and Trump did nothing and try to stop the virus.
He let the virus run rampant which forced the govenors to close busisneeses. He didn't do it, so blowhards like you could say Trump didn't do nothing to the economy.
Frontline, which has been doing some of the best real-time documentary film-making in the business for decades, has released its third coronavirus piece.
While the first two were somewhat more human-interest, locally focused (Washington and Italy), this is their first broad scope “here’s how we got here” episode.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-virus/
While the first two were somewhat more human-interest, locally focused (Washington and Italy), this is their first broad scope “here’s how we got here” episode.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-virus/
There were more spreaders in CA due to it being open earlier and they seeded the crowd at a higher rate than in NY and Minny.
1)Along the lines of 2K people were dying per week at it's peak in NJ.
And nearly every state in the country imposed restrictions, Murphy was not alone here.
To say he destroyed the economy for no reason is completely disconnected from reality.
2)If we are looking at results as to whether Murphy has made the right calls as to what he closed down, NJ declining #'s since the peak says he made some very good decisions.
So it spreads faster in Florida?
I mean NY is just continuing on with it's steady decline while FL is doubling week over week.
there were more spreaders in CA due to it being open earlier and they seeded the crowd at a higher rate than in NY and Minny.
The spike in cases in the "Early Summer" region might not be a single cause but compounding of a number of different items that attributed to the surge. First off we know that much of this surge has been driven by younger people, we are also seeing it happening in the South and West, areas that are hotter and did not experience the initial wave and opened earlier. So there could have been a spread give these areas opened in May, that spread was worsened as people moved indoors due to the heat which caused more spread, then many of these young attended the protests, so protests which had more infected people would end up spreading more among the protesters. This would explain why we are not see a spike in the NE even though we are seeing increased cases of in NJ among the younger crowd.
Divoc-91 lists Johns Hopkins as its source, and had 319 yesterday. Pretty close to the 317 number the Governor posted to Facebook yesterday:
@Proud NJ Sports Fan @RU-05 NJ started relasing data inclduing probable deaths today. An extra 2,000 around were added to the count.
To @Barnaby&Neill point, how many transactions do we think Home Depot has per day at any of it's individual stores? 20K? Per day? At each store. That might be on the conservative side. There are 232 in CA. That is 4.6 million customers per day. Strictly at Home Depot.
So would 100K protesters make a big difference?
So would 100K protesters make a big difference?
I think it’s fair to say a protest is like a sporting event. It’s not advisable in a pandemic, and while it won’t create a massive surge in a vacuum, we should expect it will at least contribute to case count in an otherwise open environment.
I’m not a data scientist, but there’s probably some algorithm that says whether in a crowd of 50,000 or 200 each individual has the same number of close interactions. So I don’t think we should suggest that the protests are the driver of surges (echoing @RU-05, these are still small events; is it worse than going to the beach, going to church, or using a gym?), but they probably don’t help
edit: ‘probably don’t help’ = they contribute in some way
So we aren’t really certain if their deaths were covid19 or something else...don’t deaths by COVID 19 payout better through health Insurance than a normal death ?
I can certainly see that beer is(to some people) less important then church, but you have to acknowledge that considering the respective settings, Church would be a spot much more prone to spreading. Like amongst the worst.
I disagree. Anyone can make the numbers go down. You could simply order all stores to be closed, even supermarkets and order no one to leave their house. There would be no transmissions and no further deaths from COVID-19. Then we could wait in our homes to die of starvation or something else, but claim victory over the virus.
A good leader would have made decisions to limit the total amount of harm to everyone. Ultimately, the end result, is a destroyed economy. The amount of deaths resulting from suicide will continue for years to come. Countless livelihoods were destroyed and lifetime savings were wiped out. Children lost a complete year of school and tax revenue plummeted. Bankruptcies are rolling in and will reach levels we have never seen in our lifetime. Taxes will be raised to try and pay for the losses and the economy will continue to suffer for probably the rest of my lifetime.
I'm foolish? Just explain to me how much of a lockdown was necessary? Why did liquor stores stay open? Why was Walmart allowed to operate? Businesses were arbitrarily chosen to live or die with no science behind the decision.
Really? Show your work. I didn't say Houston did not have any protests. But as the sixth largest city in the country, their numbers paled in comparison to Minneapolis, NY, LA, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Philly and Boston.
Anyway, my point remains. It is not just protest or as you like to keep pointing out 'riots.' It is ANY public gathering where people are not wearing masks and/or social distancing. That is the point. In two rallies, Trump has put 9,000 people in indoor arenas, 90% who were not wearing masks. Both in states where the numbers are exploding. Give it a few weeks.
At least outdoors, you have a fighting chance of escaping the virus w/o a mask, but that is also not known for sure. I would bet people who congregate in pools (Lake of the Ozarks) or beaches/boardwalks also run the risk of contracting the virus.
But we will know for sure by the end of July to what extent.
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@RU848789 and I commented on this yesterday.
To suppose effectively suffocating the virus would crush the economy defies all evidence. The “severe shutdown to get sharp decline in cases” method has, so far, allowed for smoother reopenings than our ‘half-in / half-out’ method.
Unfortunately many of those results will happen in states that were significantly more lenient as well.
The article from NJ.com explains how it was calculated. They have a separate count for probable and confirmed.
Because alcholics who can't get alcohol go into withdrawl and have to be hospitalized. We needed hospital capacity. Walmart sells plenty of essentials. Next dumb question.
Burying this here so as not to create a football panic: I’m reading that BMI is more strongly correlated with severity of cases than any of the underlying conditions associated with obesity.
Should linemen be concerned? They’re healthier than most with their BMI given the physical conditioning necessary to perform, but if weight itself is the issue...
Should linemen be concerned? They’re healthier than most with their BMI given the physical conditioning necessary to perform, but if weight itself is the issue...
He let....[roll][roll][roll][roll][roll]
Feb. 2 Oxiris Barbot, NYC Health Commissioner, “As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus,” she tweeted with the city’s first suspected coronavirus case under investigation and China’s death toll skyrocketing. Five days after Barbot touted upcoming Chinese New Year events where crowds gather shoulder-to-shoulder in city streets, she declared the city had little to worry about. “We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life,” she said.
Feb 25: Nancy Pelosi :“We know that there is concern surrounding tourism, traveling all throughout the world, but we think it’s very safe to be in Chinatown and hope that others will come,” she said. “It’s lovely here.”
March 2: Cuomo said: "Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers, I speak for the mayor also on this one, we think we have the best healthcare system on the planet right here in New York. So, when you're saying what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don't even think it's going to be as bad as it was in other countries. We are fully coordinated, we are fully mobilized
and.....Mayor Wilhelm tweets: "Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus, I thought I would offer some suggestions," . "Here’s the first: thru Thurs 3/5 go see The Traitor [at Lincoln Center]. If The Wire was a true story + set in Italy, it would be this film."
Timelines for the virus are not equal among states.
Yeah and there are reasons for that. What is the reason here? Saying it's the protests doesn't add up.
Really? Dumb answers. If you're really that bad of an alcoholic that you're physically dependent on it, you'll find a way to get alcohol. If not, then you should be checking yourself into an emergency room to detox. It would have been a good time to get sober. As far as Walmart goes, 95% of the crap they sell in there is not a necessity. Sure they sell some food, but you can buy that at a Supermarket. So we let people expose themselves unnecessarily at Walmarts all along when people could have just stuck to supermarkets, but please professor, continue to cite all those studies and science behind your conclusions.
Was your income affected? Do you have school aged children?
Trump let Europeans flood in here at huge levels! Refused to shut down the airports, refused to let states test anyone except those who had been to China, sent China our PPE, said thank you president Xi for your transparency, said 15 cases soon to be zero. Trump refused to buy tests from other countries when ours didn't work. San Fransisco barely has any cases so guess Pelosi was right. Trump had the intel reports on how bad this was gonna be and didn't share them with the Govenors. You lose.
I read the article today... the reasoning for calculatIng these additional deaths not really having true confirmation is more of a political ploy by Murphy’s minions... they died from many other illnesses rather than covid19... it’s a money issue and only a money issue... are they doing autopsies? No they’re not...
So how are they gonna get it, break into someone's home? I guess that's what we want instead of having a place they can buy in. That's how bad your logic is. When the Michigan governor only let Walmart sell necessities, nothing else the Murphy haters yelled that was wrong too, and said she was a tyrant. No matter what Murphy does you'll dog him.
Clearly you didn't read it or have poor critical thinking or reading skills if that's what you got out of the article. You should ask Murphy to appoint you to be Head of the DOH since you know so much.
You are talking out of your ass...remember that agenda thing is quite obvious with you... you believe anything if it’s based on leftist politics...
There are two things I read a lot on this board: WHO said no human to human transmission; Dem politicians also advocated carrying on with normal life.
My critique is not based on party politics, just facts:
(1) Taiwan alerted the WHO of human to human transmission two weeks before the WHO went public with knowledge of such transmission. Taiwan is our ally, and we can assume at least through relations with them (if not via earlier intelligence) we were aware by early-Jan that this was spread human to human; our leaders weren’t waiting on the WHO’s announcement as some would have you believe.
(2) Responsibility starts and ends at the top. What played out in the US isn’t all that different than what happened in China. Leaders federally and locally, in both countries, didn’t want to stop the party early; however, responsibility to do so is ultimately at the White House. It’s not Cuomo’s job (though he probably believes it is) to prep the country for arrival of a pandemic; and even locally he is probably taking his lead from the Office privy to daily briefings from CDC and the world’s most powerful state apparatus.
No sense listing who said what and when. The autopsy of this crisis will not focus on Cuomo, Pelosi, McConnell, Ted Cruz, mayors, reps, sheriffs, etc. We will in time need to know what the White House was doing to ready the country, and why the CDC is largely invisible.
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