True. But why are you bringing up politics constantly in this thread? Go find a new venue to bring up that crap. I didnt realize how many of you CE board clowns can't stop the nonsense. Has to be a psychological addiction. Seek help.
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Sure just let all the struggling alcoholics keep on boozing in the midst of a global health and economic crisis. What could go wrong?
I didn't bring it up, that clown brought up Murphy. Now go contribute with a meaningful post in this thread. It will be your first.
True because addicts do really well when they are banned from their addictions cold turkey. Not like they become violent or disruptive or anything. They can just quit on a dime with no effects to themselves.
LOL formerly, your trolling is epic. Navarro and the IC warned Trump is has already been established. We know you are in this thread in bad faith. Now scram back to the CE Board.
Plenty of hospital availability in NYC if Cuomo, Wilhem and Phil utilized the covid hospital facilities built-up by Trump with the Javitts Center conversion and USS Comfort docked at a Manhattan pier.
if their alcohol supply was cut off completely? Thousands if not tens of thousands.
Why do you constantly make people explain the same things to you? It's insufferable.
There's no "right or wrong," only whatever seems the best course to the ultimate decision maker. You want to change that? Go run for governor. Or move to Sweden.
You're the only one getting triggered and personal. RU###'s and I have gone at pretty hard at times here with no hysterics or name-calling since his one initial slip-up.
Alcoholics aside; just purely thinking about viral transmission, a church and a liquor store present very different risks. In one, you sit in a room full of people for an hour-ish, sing with them, recite prayer with them, etc. and likely mingle with them going in and out. The other you walk in, pick up a product, swipe a card, and leave.
I don’t see a reason to make moral judgments here about what stays open vs closed; should be based on the risk associated with the activity.
Obesity is definitely contributing to severity and mortality rates in the United States.
So have the protests.
I think many of us on the left will concede to those points that keep getting raised in this thread.
And I hope that if anything good comes out of this pandemic is that people will eat more healthy and exercise more.
So have the protests.
I think many of us on the left will concede to those points that keep getting raised in this thread.
And I hope that if anything good comes out of this pandemic is that people will eat more healthy and exercise more.
I tend to ignore this seemingly obvious point so as to limit politics. But fed govt should have absolutely been on this when SK was on this.
Expect a church they are in and out in a hour or less. Workers at liquor stores and Supermarkets are exposed to thousands of different people over an eight hour shift, if you lucky it's just 8 hours. I have way more 60 hours weeks than I do 40 hour weeks
The unused federal facilities is seemingly a legit critique on the NYC dems.
At least on the surface.
Why not put some Covid positive, but recovering LTC patients there?
Without hearing a good answer, and the one time I saw Cuomo answer it, he did skirt it, then that is on them.
Terrible situation, but likely a bad call on Cuomo and or Deblasio here.
At least on the surface.
Why not put some Covid positive, but recovering LTC patients there?
Without hearing a good answer, and the one time I saw Cuomo answer it, he did skirt it, then that is on them.
Terrible situation, but likely a bad call on Cuomo and or Deblasio here.
You continue to show a complete lack of understanding of this pandemic with every post. We've gone over this before, but you ignore it and will likely continue to ignore it, but maybe others will at least read it. Obesity is immaterial if there aren't any infections. SK case rate is 245 per 1MM, while ours is about 7500 per 1MM, a ~30X difference. Because of that difference, their death rate is only 6 per 1MM, while ours is 380 per 1MM, a ~60X difference and the likely reason for the 30 vs. 60 difference is they've found a lot more mild cases than we have, which don't turn into deaths.
And I can't stress the bottom line enough. We'd have 2000 dead with their deaths per capita and even if obesity led to twice as many deaths per capita, I think we'd all trade 4000 deaths for 125,000 deaths.
Health of underlying population, size of country, and virus experience all tailwinds for South Korea that the US doesn’t have; that said, we didn’t have to match South Korea’s success to do a lot better than we did / have done.
Testing, PPE, ventilators, locking down. All of these were debacles in their own way. And three effective tests ready in adequate numbers, sufficient quantity of masks, locking down earlier and more effectively could have really saved a lot of lives here (and avoided the risk of a run on ventilators completely).
I can’t say “well if it weren’t for our size, we have had this under control like SK” when in late-February the President was calling coronavirus a hoax perpetrated by the media that was less of a concern than the flu. I see little evidence our country was in the right headspace to take the fight to the virus like SK and others did
Wow, you really are clueless. First off, you're all for people killing themselves with alcohol. Got it, thanks. Now we all know how much you care about people. Second, you assume I'm partisan when I'm not. I didn't vote for Trump and I'm not a Trump supporter. The only thing I'm angry about is the governor randomly picking winners and losers with no logic or reason behind it. I don't claim to be an expert. I'm asking for the experts to weigh in. But what have you provided? Nothing. But why should you care? You're still at home collecting you paycheck and it doesn't effect you, so as far your concerned, screw everyone else. Have another drink douche bag.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-06-12/other-pandemic-worsening-coronavirus-obesity
Asymptomatic people don't get tested. Only 2% of SK's pop has been tested. I'll trust Dr. Mozaffarian on this. Thank you.
Holy crap your dense. I didn't bring up Trump and I'm not defending him in any way. I'm talking about Murphy. Try and stay focused. If you want to scream about Trump, go create a C&E board somewhere else and take it up there. I'm not here to talk about politics. I don't disagree with Murphy because he's a Democrat. I'm here to discuss the Corona virus and what steps we can take to minimize harm.
I wasn't considering it either. And I am one of those workers, but I'm also a fairly young and fairly healthy 44 year old. So I'd prob look at those cheating with their masks a little differently if I were 20 years older.
I still don't put it in the same pew as church, but it is a good point.
I'm not running for governor or moving to Sweden. I'm voicing my opinion. If you don't like it too bad.
By the way, no one is explaining Murphy's choices to me because there are no reasonable explanations.
now they are saying that it is likely that 20 million Americans had Coronavirus already....10x the amount that is officially recorded
I think a place like a church is riskier IMO.
In retail yes you have many people you pass or have interactions with but they're generally "shallow" or short so that time variable is really reduced and I think is pretty necessary to pass that infection threshold unless someone sneezes or coughs without a mask right by you and then time is less of a factor. Cashiers probably are the most vulnerable because they are around customer for checkout a little longer but with barriers and masks now I think that too has cut down the risk quite a bit.
In a church the interactions aren't as many but they are "deep" or longer in that you're in a vicinity of the same people for an hour or less as he put it and IMO that's 'probably long enough especially if no masks are worn. We've seen fairly significant outbreaks in these kind of gatherings. I don't know that we've seen outbreaks on that scale among retail workers in any particular location. Plus no one is singing in a store, you could possibly have singing in a church which we know caused outbreaks.
So I view it as many "shallow" interactions vs fewer "deep" interactions and between the 2 I think the first is less risky. Masks, barriers, distancing can help reduce risk with both though.
No Greg 2020 you need to start acting like someone who can think logically not following the lead of a group of ideologues ; parroting the hate that is being spewed at many very good people on a hourly basis. You my child need the timeout .
I can understand that argument, but the churches are addressing the risks with social distancing, masks, alternate (more) service times, etc. For me the online option is fine, as I have no interest in wearing a mask for an hour or hours at a church, a sporting event or even the office. Others feel more fulfilled by or only have an in-church experience option, and it could've been accommodated much sooner than where we are today.
Just to be clear I'm not judging alcoholics at all, I almost see a crisis like this as an opportunity for them to get long overdue help. I also worry about the stressed, out-of-work alcoholic dad that is getting hammered by noon and starts abusing his wife and family.
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