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I'm not running for governor or moving to Sweden. I'm voicing my opinion. If you don't like it too bad.

By the way, no one is explaining Murphy's choices to me because there are no reasonable explanations.

Yeah, there are. They've been explained. Again and again.

We've heard your opinion ...for three months. It hasn't changed what the adults are doing. At all.

Sorry.
 
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and you would believe anything anyone says to you as long as they wear a red hat.
No once again , I have stated on this board several times , I am not a strict Trump diehard but that is something the other side can’t do...admit a wrong , a mistake, a possibility that maybe working together won’t be judged as a win over Trump...I don’t believe the NJ Advance at all... so the article about “ counting deaths in the total even though they are not certain” but , you attempt to question my reading ability... that is a typical Rutgers board quote...
 
I wasn't considering it either. And I am one of those workers, but I'm also a fairly young and fairly healthy 44 year old. So I'd prob look at those cheating with their masks a little differently if I were 20 years older.

I still don't put it in the same pew as church, but it is a good point.
Churches are required to the same 6 foot distancing as business are so I'd much rather sit in Church than be in my store for 8-10 hours. To me that isn't even an issue. Sadly I haven't been to Church since this all started. I'm 59. Getting antibody testing next week. I'm praying the results come back positive simply for peace of mind. I could use some good sleep.
 
Health of underlying population, size of country, and virus experience all tailwinds for South Korea that the US doesn’t have; that said, we didn’t have to match South Korea’s success to do a lot better than we did / have done.

Testing, PPE, ventilators, locking down. All of these were debacles in their own way. And three effective tests ready in adequate numbers, sufficient quantity of masks, locking down earlier and more effectively could have really saved a lot of lives here (and avoided the risk of a run on ventilators completely).

I can’t say “well if it weren’t for our size, we have had this under control like SK” when in late-February the President was calling coronavirus a hoax perpetrated by the media that was less of a concern than the flu. I see little evidence our country was in the right headspace to take the fight to the virus like SK and others did
C'mon Trump never called the coronavirus a hoax. That was b.s. from the CE Board and has been debunked 100x already.

As for our country being in the right headspace, I really don't see any evidence of there being any consensus from our career scientists and health officials about the severity of the real threat. Just go back and look at Fauci's timeline.
 
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C'mon Trump never called the coronavirus a hoax. That was b.s. from the CE Board and has been debunked 100x already.

As for our country being in the right headspace, I really don't see any evidence of there being any consensus from our career scientists and health officials about the severity of the real threat. Just go back and look at Fauci's timeline.
Trump is still denying this is a thing, still saying this is going to fade away. Said it a week ago.

It's best to leave him out of this thread, because there really is no defending him on this, from the very beginning to the most recent.
 
Yeah, there are. They've been explained. Again and again.

We've heard your opinion ...for three months. It hasn't changed what the adults are doing. At all.

Sorry.
Really?? Explain closing golf courses. And when they reopened it was limited to 2somes and tee times 16 minutes or more. There is no logic to that move. It simply means the clowns that made that rule never played golf ever.
 
I think someone on the Boomer and whoever show noted this the other day. But way too many "clown" insults being throw around lately.


I mean, what do people have against clowns exactly?
 
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Trump is still denying this is a thing, still saying this is going to fade away. Said it a week ago.

It's best to leave him out of this thread, because there really is no defending him on this, from the very beginning to the most recent.
No I haven't heard him denying this as a "thing" whatever that means. He doesn't believe the economy should be shut down over it, and I'm sure he is frustrated at the CDC screw-ups and less than stellar advice from career health officials and scientists at the start of this.
 
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No I haven't heard him denying this as a "thing" whatever that means. He doesn't believe the economy should be shut down over it, and I'm sure he is frustrated at the CDC screw-ups and not stellar advice from career health officials and scientists at the start of this.
Said on Hannity a week ago that he doesn't even want to talk about treatments, because this was "going to fade away".

Like I said, best just to let this go.
 
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Really?? Explain closing golf courses. And when they reopened it was limited to 2somes and tee times 16 minutes or more. There is no logic to that move. It simply means the clowns that made that rule never played golf ever.

I'm pretty sure someone in the upper echelons of NJ gov't has played a round of golf or two.

Golf was not what we were talking about, anyway, so has zero to do with my comment you quoted.
 
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Said on Hannity a week ago that he doesn't even want to talk about treatments, because this was "going to fade away".

Like I said, best just to let this go.
I'd have to hear the context and see actual clip. Maybe another time...shutting down for tonight.
 
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I'm pretty sure someone in the upper echelons of NJ gov't has played a round of golf or two.

Golf was not what we were talking about, anyway, so has zero to do with my comment you quoted.
You weren't defending the need to close businesses?
 
C'mon Trump never called the coronavirus a hoax. That was b.s. from the CE Board and has been debunked 100x already.

As for our country being in the right headspace, I really don't see any evidence of there being any consensus from our career scientists and health officials about the severity of the real threat. Just go back and look at Fauci's timeline.

I’m not going to debate the hoax thing. Whatever you believe he meant when he said “hoax,” the tone of those comments is enough for me to feel comfortable with my earlier statement that our leadership wasn’t treating this like a looming war with hundreds of thousands of lives in the balance.

As for Fauci, he also offered an optimistic sentiment, but, as I pointed out in a post earlier today, with a “because...” attached. He said something like “Americans shouldn’t be concerned because we have methods of screening people who arrive in this country and controlling cases when they occur.”

Did we do that? I don’t know, but it doesn’t seem like it. We didn’t even know there was an outbreak in Washington until retrospective testing was done weeks later. Fauci doesn’t get a free pass. Testing, masks, early lockdown. To the extent he wasn’t able to deliver these, he also shares in the blame.
 
Wow, you really are clueless. First off, you're all for people killing themselves with alcohol. Got it, thanks. Now we all know how much you care about people. Second, you assume I'm partisan when I'm not. I didn't vote for Trump and I'm not a Trump supporter. The only thing I'm angry about is the governor randomly picking winners and losers with no logic or reason behind it. I don't claim to be an expert. I'm asking for the experts to weigh in. But what have you provided? Nothing. But why should you care? You're still at home collecting you paycheck and it doesn't effect you, so as far your concerned, screw everyone else. Have another drink douche bag.
How am I in favor of killing people with alcohol? That's their choice to make how often they want to drink I don't provide it to them. You are the one who doesn't care about people. You want to cause the alcoholics to get withdrawal symptoms and catch Corona in the emergency room and use up hospital beds because it's not fair that liquor stores can stay open and others things cant boo-hoo. Grow up. The experts are the scientists and DOH experts. Pretty sure every state kept liquor stores open. I think the health workers know more than you do. Nice job with the name calling. I don't drink. Another thing you are wrong about. It's clear form your posting you likely do not know how substance abuse works lucky you. I know multiple people who have died from it. Your suggestion to close down liquor stores would kill multiple people. But boo-hoo unfair.
 
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Holy crap your dense. I didn't bring up Trump and I'm not defending him in any way. I'm talking about Murphy. Try and stay focused. If you want to scream about Trump, go create a C&E board somewhere else and take it up there. I'm not here to talk about politics. I don't disagree with Murphy because he's a Democrat. I'm here to discuss the Corona virus and what steps we can take to minimize harm.
You said we never needed to lock down and you want to be taken seriously. That's funny. You claim you care about people. How about the 15,000 dead in NJ, and the 125,000 dead in the USA. Without lockdowns the numbers would have been far worse, but according to you oh well money matters more than lives. How are the dead people and their family supposed to make money and eat now. Oh wait they can't because they are dead forever.
 
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No Greg 2020 you need to start acting like someone who can think logically not following the lead of a group of ideologues ; parroting the hate that is being spewed at many very good people on a hourly basis. You my child need the timeout .
You are the one who said you hope people break into my house. You are demented, and the fact that the cronies like your post is further evidence of that. All of your posts in here are rambling, personal and political.
 
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No once again , I have stated on this board several times , I am not a strict Trump diehard but that is something the other side can’t do...admit a wrong , a mistake, a possibility that maybe working together won’t be judged as a win over Trump...I don’t believe the NJ Advance at all... so the article about “ counting deaths in the total even though they are not certain” but , you attempt to question my reading ability... that is a typical Rutgers board quote...
Ya NJ advance media made up fake quotes from the health department and is lying about what the health department said. It was on tv, I saw it with my own eyes, they accurately quoted it. This is why we laugh at your posts. You don't even believe a quote from NJ.com that was said live on tv, that anyone tuning in saw with their own eyes.
 
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