I can’t wait until they break into your home then you can give them whatever they need ... stupidity and arrogance your calling card.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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The protests are a big part of it. Unless you are okay with opening up everything including full stadiums, no masks required.
Ah, that makes sense considering that was the 6/21 positivity rate, which is a Sunday. Sundays always have fewer tests administered so the positivity jumps.
Take a look at page 4 of today's daily report: https://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/documents/topics/NCOV/COVID_Confirmed_Case_Summary.pdf
Looks like they have confirmed positivity data through 6/21 at the latest. The gray bars show the number of tests administered. You can see the huge drop on Sundays and the resulting spike in the rate. This also happens each week to varying degrees.
So you aren't wrong, the 1.6% I provided would be the estimated positivity rate for 6/24.
When did Trump let Euros flood in at huge levels, before or after the WHO declared a global pandemic on 3/11/2020? LOL he was criticized for doing it when he did--same day the WHO declared it!
And we're still waiting on any proof of those so-called intel reports about "how bad it was gonna be....". I mean so what if the IC has denied it as long as the anonymous sources for the NYT and WaPo can feed it to you amirite?
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We already know what the Admin was doing, it's been discussed already. In mid-Jan federal health officials were working with every state and major metro area on planning tailored to that particular region. South Dakota does not need the same type or level of action as NYC. The killer was the CDC botched the testing kits. As I've said before, sure it's easy to say Trump was at the top but seriously? The mistake was made in the CDC Atlanta lab by career scientists and health officials.
I don't think you read my whole reply. For someone who is physically dependent on alcohol, they should be checking into an emergency room or detox. That is what's best for the alcoholic. How is that bad logic? I shouldn't want what's best for someone?
But that's not my point, my point is there's no logic or science behind Murphy's decisions. There was no study that said the virus doesn't exist liquor stores, but exists in clothing stores. Personally, I think he should have kept the liquor stores open, but he should have kept gyms and barbers open as well. Just require masks and extra cleaning. There was no need to put all those people out of business. I'm not out to criticize him no matter what he does. He's been a supporter of Rutgers and I applaud him for that, but when he just arbitrarily chooses who thrives and who gets wiped out without any justification, I have to call him out.
Nice switch aroo.
Gyms and barbers, like Churches are significantly different in terms of the likelihood of transmission, then a retail establishment would be.
If you want to say Liquor store vs clothing? Maybe(but even there clothing purchases tend to require more time in one area) but that is much different then liquor store vs gym, or barbershop.
I think the science is rather obvious.
Proper social distancing with masks and limited capacities wouldn't be effective in churches? Idk. Murphy was threatening outdoor church services initially too.
I was ok with the initial gym shutdown order however they could have been reconfigured and have set scheduling arrangements for reopening in 30 or 45 days.
Trying to avoid getting overly political, so speaking generally: a war is an example of a crisis upon which Presidents are often judged: there are always efforts and plans to win them quickly, but when that goal isn’t accomplished, we have to assess what went wrong.
Same goes here. I’m sure activity happened at some point in the administration, but when I look at the outcome and what was visible to me, a somewhat attentive citizen during the early months of the year, I can’t help but question whether that activity was appropriately timed, and sufficient to meet the scale of the crisis.
Is there a scenario in which the problem was too much to handle. I suppose. But also keep in mind that every day in which the response was delayed or in which insufficient action was applied would only add to the severity of the outcome.
So to say they were making plans or whatever might mean something, or it might mean nothing. We do know the results are not good, and other countries have better results. As we learn more about why that is, perhaps we’ll also learn more about the adequacy of the administration’s moves in Jan / Feb / March (maybe December).
Isn't this another situation where every state stopped church gatherings?
I also think given where we were in terms of likely(we are really guessing where we were at that time) infections that indoor gatherings of any kind had to be curbed. Fast fwd a couple months, cases down significantly and yeah with masks and with proper distancing allowing church makes more sense. But at the time I say no.
I actually think that if it's a nice day church gatherings should, on their own volition, stay outside. Why go inside if you don't have to?
No they don't. Cali is ground zero for ongoing protests and is suffering the consequences.
Given positivity rates, FL and TX are doing worse then Cali, whose rise in cases can be attributed in part to more testing.
So if Cali is ground zero, why are FL and TX doing worse? Why is AZ doing worse? And why is NY showing no sign of an increase?
@Barnaby&Neill laid it out nicely, and I threw some #'s behind it to back his point up. All things considered the #'s really don't back up the protests as being a major spreader.
I didn't / don't follow every state. But not all churches could set-up car lots like the old drive-in movies so for many churches it's indoors or nada in bad weather. Not all churches or communities are compatible re: zoom technology either.
Plenty of protests in FL and TX as well. Too bad our officials didn't step up and let it explode across the country.
I get it, where and when applicable at least.
I know the church across the street from me was outdoors, but went indoors last week. It was a beautiful day, and I thought the outdoor thing looked fun. Why not stay outside?
To me this, like masks, just shows that unless the govt mandates something, people won't do the smart thing. Like hoarding PPE(or toilet paper) early on. It's unfortunate.
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Stealing this from the other thread.
But it could be the protests, though the data doesn't back that up, or it could be masks, in which case the #'s do back it up.
Slightly. FL and TX are skyrocketing. And you are right they were increasing before the protests.
I haven't switched anything. I merely pointing out how Murphy's decisions have no logic just like I've always done. Does he want to reduce exposures? Not really, then he would have closed Walmart and Target. People could have just used supermarkets for their essentials. Does he want to limit exposure, but keep some semblance of an economy? Not really, because he would have at least let other retail stores stay open and let churches operate at a reduced capacity. So what exactly is he doing? What's he trying to accomplish?
Tomorrow at 1:00 he's going to announce something about schools. I guarantee kids aren't going back to a regular school day in September. And why not? We know kids don't get sick from the virus and now evidence suggests they don't even transmit it. We could easily look to Sweden to confirm this because they never closed schools. But we're just ignoring that. We're not even looking at it. Why not? Are we afraid it might be true? That kids in fact don't transmit the disease? This is getting ridiculous. What the hell is he basing his decisions on?
No country really compares to this country in terms of size, demographics, international business and travel activity--especially around the holiday season, and the extent of our federalistic governance structure. Remember when Trump floated the idea of quarantining certain parts of NY/NJ/CT? Cuomo said he would sue to stop it. I'm sure a Texas governor would've done the same if it were Obama in the same situation fwiw.
He's never confronted his dishonesty
All largely irrelevant. NY/NJ combined had 1 positive case and zero deaths through 3/2, so what would you expect local politicians, who are not in charge of national security or pandemic preparations, to say? And you know why there was a grand total of 1 positive case through 3/2 (and <10 through 3/5, despite there actually being tens of thousands of unknown cases by then)?
Yes you do. The Federal Government's testing debacle, with known testing failures by early February and perfectly fine working tests available from other countries, but we essentially kept screwing it all up for close to 6 weeks before testing really ramped up. The CDC head reports to Azar, who knew about all of this and he reports to Trump. They missed the easy solution of dual sourcing test kits while the CDC sorted out their problems.
The most explosive, exponential growth in the short history of this pandemic, in NYC metro (including NE NJ), is on the Feds. As I've said before, Cuomo and Murphy probably had enough info to lock things down a week earlier than they did, so some of this is on them, too, but if we had had testing in place, we could've locked down in early March saving 75-90% of the lives lost in this area, as per numerous studies (I can link them for the 9th time if you like).
South Korea had testing in place by mid-February and used that (plus tracing/isolating) to control what was the world's 2nd biggest outbreak at the time in late Feb/early March, resulting in a per capita death rate of 5 per 1MM; we're at 400 per 1MM, but could've easily been at 5-10 if we followed their lead. And Seoul is just as densely populated with as much total population as NYC metro, so don't say it wasn't possible here.
Article with some short blurbs to COVID related issues. Far-UVC light shown to kill airborne coronaviruses including COVID and could be something installed into ceiling fixtures and is a safe form of UV light. T-cells thought to be a more sensitive measure for prior infection vs antibodies. Cells that help clot blood overactivated by COVID and a little more on dexamethasone.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/type-ultraviolet-light-kills-airborne-181216058.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/type-ultraviolet-light-kills-airborne-181216058.html
South Korea banned flights from Wunan in early January and started handing out masks in Jan or Feb. (they also prescribed hydrochloriquine, :) )
Yeh you've said all this a number of times. So. Korea had many "advantages" over the US in terms of a response to this so it's just not a legitimate comparison, for the umpteenth time. You also continue saying there was an easy solution of dual sourcing, but what is the evidence for that? Why are you so certain given the scale and accuracy the US wanted/needed with the testing that it could be easily outsourced? And again, consider this within the context of there clearly not appearing to be any consensus among our top health officials, or the WHO for that matter, that there was such a crisis that some immediate perhaps suboptimal outsourcing would be needed at that time?
my reading skills are still excellent... it’s your left wing BS that reeks of Murphyism...another way to deflect his Nursing Care debacle the same as Don Cuomo of NY...
South Korea's advantage?
SK obesity = 4%
US obesity = 40%
And FYI, the obesity rate in Japan is even lower.
That's yuuuge. Add that to the vastly different country size, demographics, international travel, governing structure, earlier warnings from WHO, 2002-04 Sars experience...it's just silly to believe comparing the US to so many others, let alone little homogenous So Korea, is very relevant.
Again why would we want them in an emeregncy room when we need all the spots in it for CORNOAVIRUS patients. You just really aren't bright sorry. Personally no one cares what you think. You aren't the governor, nor a disease expert, nor work in the health department. You are an angry partisan.
and you would believe anything anyone says to you as long as they wear a red hat.
OH so he should have kept everything open but now he shouldn't reopen schools? Which is it. Anything he does politically you hate. Trump left us with no other choice but to shut down. Almost 15,000 dead in NJ and 127,000 in the USA agree.
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