NBA is seriously considering the Vegas thing. I think and hope it happens.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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It's impossible to say that the virus can't spread via breath or 27 feet with a super sneeze, but it makes little logical sense that either of those happens in other than extreme circumstances, since we'd have far more than 0.02% of the planet with confirmed infections if it were that easily transmissible, even with social distancing.
I still support everyone wearing masks, though, since they certainly should keep in coughs/sneezes if used properly and they remind people to keep 6 feet away and they also should remind people not to touch their faces, plus they provide some protection from stray sneezes/coughs from people not practicing staying at home with symptoms.
Yes masks are more about herd protection and everyone keeping their own germs in than keeping others’ germs out. I mean your eyes still are exposed but it would just fall in the line of something is better than nothing. Keeping germs in is really the key.
Washing hands and such is all good and I do it, wipe surfaces down too but from what I read this is spreading more through the air than touching surfaces and then to face. It’s hard to imagine you get all these clusters from just surface touching and then to face. You should do both but imo the social distancing and mask herd protection are the bigger contributors to controlling this spread.
It's all about touching your face right now.... I cant tell you how many easy instances where I've seen co-workers basically infect themselves....(fortunately for me.. I have the ability to not scratch those annoying itches on my face... That is realy all it takes!!)
I dont even know if the general public could get any N95 masks anymore and it’s been like that for awhile I think. Do stores even sell them now. I thought both the retailers and the manufactures have diverted everything to front line people. To have one now you’d probably have to had it way before this blew up.
ct thorax of 60 yo single lady - south jersey with hypertension,obesity, metabolic syndrome who gets coughed on by guy in line at shop rite 3 days prior and develops sudden chest pain associated with hacking cough, dyspnea. She was there for her "hunker down" toilet paper, etc.- so there is the irony. treated and released same day at med ctr. today is day 9. some continued night sweats and hacking. classic scan-"ground glass" appearance both lungs.She said "oh shit ' as soon as the guy turned and hacked.
PS - wear your mask you coughers, sprayers, spitters
Obviously too late for the current situation. But there is money to be made, lives to save, and the government will be removing all red tape. Nobody will have the appetite to test a vaccine that isn’t very risky for more than 8 months.
You would be surprised at what is ACTUALLY available... Just have to dig deep enough....(yes... I have availablitity to both...) But as for what we can get in through suppliers? NOTHING... At least on that front... EVERYTHING LEGIT is going to the front lines...(which it should) (for the record... what few N95's we got have to be re-used.. and that was weeks ago) (not official.. But from a friend in the k now... 200 degrees for 30 minutes will basic sanitize..(not officially especially for Corona as there are ZERO studies on that... But I have heard that it will kill SARS!! (close cousin)
So maybe you've been lucky. Maybe the virus isn't widespread in your area. Maybe your immune system is able to fight it off, or maybe you already had it and didn't have symptoms. Or maybe your time is coming. Another possibility is that you are an asymptomatic carrier and you've been spreading it to others by not wearing a mask.
Wearing a mask won't hurt anyone but might help prevent infections. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Sorry, this will not happen for at least awhile, at least certainly not while regular people can't get tested still, plus I doubt most athletes want to leave their families and take such risks - also being holed up in a hotel is no "safer" than being at home. I could see this happening in a monthor two IF (and this is a big IF) the antibody-plasma treatment is shown to truly "cure" the disease in seriously affected patients (or if one of the other treatments really works that well, which is unlikely) and I think we'll have more data on that week by week, but probably won't have "definitive" data for a month.
If we have a treatment that we know works for the vast majority of the seriously ill in the next month or so, then people will start to feel like they can start living again, knowing that even if they get sick, they'll probably still be ok (and maybe only very high risk people wouldn't feel that comfortable). And within a few weeks we should have massive antibody testing available, including at home testing so. People can see if they have antibodies (since many get infected without knowing it), which almost certainly means they're immune. That's when something like this could work.
Where have you seen that we will have mass antibody testing in a few weeks; we may have mass testing but thats just for the active virus?
I can't believe people are still trying to come up with ways to save the NBA season and NCAA playoffs. Priorities, people...when everyone else is allowed to return to normal activities we can worry about sports.
I agree... Not to prevent getting infected.. But to be Asymptomatic and get people infected... I don't believe its airborne... (again, the #;s don't lie...So many more would test positive..Including me!!) Wash ur hands... DONT TOUCH UR FACE!! remain my stepping stones!! ( I practice this to the utmost!!)
There's airborne and there's airborne. Probably most of the infectious droplets are larger and fall out pretty fast, so if you practice social distancing that reduces the risk a lot. But...that doesn't mean smaller particles that can remain in the air are not also spreading the virus, in fact I would almost guarantee this is happening. There was the case in China, I think? Not sure where but an infected person got on a bus, and managed to infect several (3 or 4 at least) who were sitting various distances from him. And someone who got on after he departed also got infected. So it's definitely happening, they had video on the bus that showed that people who he infected never got close to him.
When I go out in public again (it's been over 10 days now) I'm definitely wearing a mask, and that's to further reduce the risk. Even if it's small to begin with. You don't know if you're going to be one of the asymptomatic or minor cases, or one of the ICU/ventilator/death cases.
Evidence suggests that people who get a smaller dose of virus may have a better chance of getting a relatively minor infection (this is based on studies of other viruses). I want to do everything I can to insure I get as small a dose as possible if I wind up exposed.
Yeah...I browsed and found this quote from him:
"He suggests wearing some kind of mask, even a bandana—but not an N95 or medical-grade mask—to keep you from possibly spreading the virus to people around you, and to remind you or protect you from touching your face."
As for the rest, doesn't really conflict with my opinion. Close/prolonged contact is the greatest risk and eliminating that reduces the chance of infection a lot. But not completely.
If you're comfortable being around strangers without a mask, go for it.
The NBA itself is planning ways to save the season.....
You aren't committing a crime and you don't have your priorities mixed up if you want sports back.
Mask or no mask... (I've been both... Social distance IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR!!! I HAVE PUT MY HANDS UP TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING TOO CLOSE!!!)
And yes... I'm in the extreme minority... I have the discipline to NOT touch my face!!!
probably because your hands are busy elsewhere:
be like Al : Don't touch your face.
Good luck to you. BTW, I watched the David Price video and think he is doing people a disservice by so confidently stating "the only way to get this is to touch your face or by very close/prolonged contact." We know that is not true. It may be the primary way people get infected, but not the only way.
Best wishes.
I disagree but to each his own. No matter how careful they are, this will be putting athletes and all the supporting staff at increased risk if they try to rush forward with a season while the epidemic hasn't even peaked.
Now, I have no issue with them thinking ahead months down the line, if that's what they're talking about fine. But right now? No way.
Agree on David Price. While I agree that close contact with infected people (their sneezes, coughs, breath and touching them and touching your face) is, by far the biggest route of transmission (a Chinese study showed about 80% of infections occurred in the home), I also agree that he underplays, too much, the risk of more casual infection out in public, especially from people sneezing/coughing and coming to close to others. I'm sure it's <5% of total infections, but that's not trivial to the people who get it that way.
Another young guy with no underlying issues, only 48, school principal and coach. this is just horrifying what's going on.
https://amp-northjersey-com.cdn.amp...al-james-brown-dies-cause-unknown/5116872002/
https://amp-northjersey-com.cdn.amp...al-james-brown-dies-cause-unknown/5116872002/
No I agree with you that right now would be ridiculous because were expected to peak soon... But the NBA and MLB have said that late June \ early July are being considered, which is 3 months away.
I'm done..I'll bow my head as they do in Japan. I'm thinking back to December. I was at a big 70th party for my mother and her twin. I must have hugged or kissed over 40 people hello and goodbye....no more.. air kisses only!
How would this massive anti-body testing work? Has something like this ever been done before? Would this identify anyone who’s been infected no matter when?
A few weeks seems away very optimistic when we’re still only testing people with symptoms and there’s still a 4-10 day backlog for results.
About 3 weeks ago before everything really got crazy my Girlfriend who’s a PT and does Home Health Care (for mostly elderly people) came down with what she thought was a cold and slight aches. I ended up catching it a couple days later and also thought it was a cold/allergies but it felt different because I was really lethargic for 1-2 days and had a quick fever for about 12 hours. Looking back I wouldn’t be shocked if we both had it and would like to know if there’s a way to find out. We’re both around 30 so we could of just had mild symptoms.
I was talking more about massive antibody testing capability/availability, not that the US is rolling out an actual program to do massive testing, although that might make sense once we're past the peak as those with antibodies then could go back to work with no fear of getting infected or being contagious. Have been posting about the development of serological (blood) antibody testing for awhile, as per the 2nd link below, to a post of mine from about a week ago, which has a great article by Wired embedded in it which is all about what can be done with antibody testing. First link is to the story about the first FDA authorization for an antibody test in the US today (they can be used without authorization, but it helps). Third link is to a story in the UK about massive testing and at-home antibody tests which are likely days away from being approved there and we'll certainly have such tests soon also.
The main point is that massive antibody testing capability is here now for the US and other countries and is essentially ready to be rolled out if desired and some has been done in spots, like the Telluride, CO "experiment" (4th link) funded by local biotech company CEOs, where they're offering free antibody tests to all 8000 county residents (they've tested about 1000 so far with close to 1% being positive - it's not clear if these folks are recovering or have active infections, so they're quarantining, but hopefully they recover and become immune.
With the focus on handling the outbreak, I could see this kind of testing being somewhat on hold for many, so as to not overburden the system, but I think we'll see a lot of it soon, especially for health care workers, as it would be fanstastic to know which ones are immune but don't know it (since almost half of positive virus test cases are asymptomatic). We're also likely to see tens of thousands of people being tested as potential plasma donors, as we need those people to contribute the antibodies for treating patients. Hope that helps.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/fda-coronavirus-antibody-test-authorization/index.html
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-35#post-4471225
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/03/covid-19-coronavirus-antibody-test-kit-home/
https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/tell...e-positive-results-but-also-more-uncertainty/
Don't think we've ever had the need for massive antibody testing before, but it's easy to do (blood is already screened for many things to ensure its safety at the donation point). It should identify anyone who was ever infected and recovered, even if they never had a virus test, as close to half of the people who test positive for the virus don't have symptoms (when doing aggressive testing of people including those without symptoms).
This test is also far easier and simpler than the virus test (most of the tests should only require a finger prick of blood and would theoretically be able to be done at home). I think a lot of it will be self-driven, by folks like yourself who just want to know (me too - I'd just like to know, as would my family, since we know the virus was here by the end of 2019). But you and the GF, in particular, should really think of signing up for the plasma donation program, as you both sound like the kind of person they're looking for. Easy for them to do the antibody test and if you've gone 14 days since your last symptoms, I'm pretty sure you'd meet their criteria. Thead below has details on the convalescent antibody-plasma treatment trials being done in NYC. Your antibodies could save lives...
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...tential-breakthrough-antibody-therapy.193511/
ohio was one of the first states to shut down. While deblasio was still telling people to ride the subway we had shut down schools limited gatherings to no more then 10 people and closed bars and dine in for restaurants
this virus scared the crap out of dewine right away, 1st confirmed case in the state he issued shut down.
Summary of today's (4/2) presser by Cuomo - a little late...
- 239K tested in NY/104K in NYC to date; 19K/8K tested yesterday in NY/NYC (vs. 15.7K/7.3K tested the day before in NY/NYC, a bit of a bump up.
- 215K positive cases in the US (191K yesterday): 92.3K, 83.7K, 75.7K, 66.5K positives in NY the last 4 days, meaning 8.6K, 8.0K, 9.2K new cases the past three days in NY and 51.8K, 47.4K, 43.1K, 38.0K in NYC the last 4 days, meaning 4.4K, 4.3K, 5.1K new cases the past three days in NYC. Over the last 3 days new cases have leveled off in NY/NYC (good sign)
- 5102 total deaths in the US (up 1049 from yesterday) and 2371 total deaths in NY, up 430 from yesterday (was up 391 two days ago); 537 deaths in NJ (267 yesterday)
- Total of 13.4K currently hospitalized in NY (1200 new vs. 1300 new yesterday and 1400 new the day before) – leveling off?
- Total of 3396 currently in ICU in NY, which means on ventilators, usually (3022 yesterday, so 374 new vs. 312 yesterday)
- 7434 discharged from hospitals in NY (6142 as of yesterday, so 1292 discharged yesterday vs. 1167 the day before; good sign. Note that new hospitalization rate is only slightly more than discharge rate,which is very good news.
- 215K cases in the US: over last 3 days here are the total cases for selected states: 83.9K/75.9K/67.3K in NY, 22.2K/18.7K/16.6K in NJ, 9800/8500/7200 in CA, 9300/7600/6500 in MI, 7700/6600/5800 in MA, 7800/ 6700/5700 in FL (5700 yesterday), 5800/5500/5200in WA (slowest growing state), 7000/60005100 in IL, 6400/5200/4000 in LA, 6000/5000/4100 in PA, and 4700/4100/3000 in GA.
- Now saying apex 7-21 days away, which is sooner than they’ve been saying, which is good, since the peak would be lower than it has been projected so far. As I’ve said a few times, I think they’re almost at the apex now and think they’ll be there within a week (hospitalization apex; ICU apex could be a week later).
- NY now centralizing total stockpile of inventory of hospital PPE/supplies, so hospitals that need items will get them faster (and excess inventories no longer being kept at individual hospitals).
- 6 days worth of ventilators left; will go to doubling and using anesthesia machines and BIPAP machines should they run out; still scouring the world for ventilators
- If you want to see true brotherly love (with some solid jabs at each other) watch the last 10 minutes of the video with the Gov and his little brother, Chris, who is holed up in his basement with coronavirus. Touching and funny.
Obviously, I hope the plasma approach works, heavens knows we need any therapy that works. However, I will categorize this under the "I'll believe it when I see it" bucket. Allogeneic therapy has always been very very difficult to pull off. Dustin Hoffman made it look easy but that's the movies.
Also, I am not sure that people's resistance to this virus could be simplified by just the presence of a specific antibody. That's over simplifying the human's immune response system. I am not sure people should be assuming that after they get exposed to this virus and their immune system fought it off, that they are "scott free" and can return to normal activity. The science is too early to know if a person who fought off the virus could later on have problems when their immunity is depressed, for whatever reason. Again I hope I'm wrong.
Speaking of genetic make up, I was talking to a front line physician the other day and he explained that it is incredible the variance in terms of how people are affected by this virus. For some it is almost nothing, but for others (thankfully, so far, it's the minority) it is absolutely devastating. He was almost wondering if there is a physiological profile that is yet to be determined. Similar to BRCA and breast cancer for example. Perhaps there is a specific gene mutation present in certain people that makes them vulnerable to this virus. If we could find out what that profile is, we could identify who the high risk folks are and help control the carnage. One hypothesis I have heard is epithelial cell abnormality and degradation. Epithelial cells naturally degrades with age, I suppose correlating the virus impact with age.
In the meantime though, small molecule and easy to produce, remdesivir study ends today and analysis follows. Hopefully good news in a few days. Fingers crossed.
Interesting data release by Google today. They are using the tracking data that they collect on phones (unless the user opts out) to produce mobility reports to show the effects of the stay at home orders have had on traffic in certain areas like retail, restaurants and parks.
https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
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Interesting. If you haven't seen it, go back a page to my post on travel data posted by the Times yesterday (the big map of the US). They said they got their data from Cubiq.
Let's hope the macaques are right, lol (they were immune for months so far from antibody therapy). But yes, there is still a long way to go on this and most view it as a stopgap at best until a more scalable cure or vaccine is in place. But it's certainly the most promising data we've seen yet and we should know a lot more in weeks, not months. And most experts I've read do feel pretty strongly that recovered patients should be immune for some time, but you're right that we don't absolutely "know" that yet, which is why I've tried to pepper my posts on this technology with caveats.
The genetic piece will likely be important - I'm sure there's something there, especially related to ACE and inflammation and the "cytokine storm" that causes patients to spiral downward. Just going to take awhile to find it, most likely.
Edit - just came across this on methylene blue (some similarities to HCQ) possibly being involved in why cancer patients in France being treated with it appear to have not gotten serious CV2 infections.
https://riviste.fupress.net/index.php/subs/article/view/888/548
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If it were that easily transmissible they'd be stacking bodies like cord wood in most of China.
Saw that, Cuebiq also has their own COVID-19 mobility map here, https://help.cuebiq.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041285051-Reading-Cuebiq-s-COVID-19-Mobility-Insights. I haven't had a chance to dig too deeply into them, but at a quick look I think Google's methodology is better. Cuebiq is showing median distance traveled by devices, Google is showing the changes of visits to various places. My issue with the distance traveled methodology is that it varies greatly by the density of retail and service locations. Where I live now I have a few options to get groceries and medicine within 2 miles and a ton of options within 5-10 miles. Where I grew up in Cumberland county there are a lot less options so people have to travel further now to get the necessities.
I hope everyone reads what I am about to write: Do not go anywhere without a mask, gloves and hand sanitizer. Anywhere means grocery store, work if essential, post office, etc. If you only have one mask, there are ways you can sterilize it without ruining it. Ask if you do not know how and I will explain. If you do not have a mask you can make one that is better than nothing from some items that should be still available in your Walmart/Home Depot.
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