COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Wth are you talking about? Discussing and tracking deaths doesn’t mean we are rooting for deaths. We literally did the same for NY and NJ when it was bad here. Both then and now are equally horrifying.
This is about as free a country as one can imagine. But fundamentally we care about one another, and believe in the notion of the greater good. For example, no hand guns, and nobody is clamoring for them (except for a couple of crazies). We're about to vote on legalizing marijuana and allowing euthanasia. Both votes will probably be close, and some good discussion going on about them. I'll vote yes on the euthanasia bill, but am on the fence on marijuana. Tough call.
I've discussed our health care system before, but the short version is that everybody gets solid, basic care, pay very little or nothing directly for it, and you can buy better levels if you wish to. Frivolous lawsuits aren't allowed (very hard to sue down here).
We realize we're a small country far away from everybody else, so we believe in taking care of our islands and our people. Beyond that, folks should be allowed to do what they want. I haven't met Jacinda (yet) but have met the three previous prime ministers and had a fifteen minute conversation with the guy before Jacinda.
Bolted in? Your prison is walking through this world all alone.
I think you know how to vote on the marijuana issue. Bolded the relevant part.
Um. So all the things you mentioned are just nuisance businesses in your mind? And the people that own them and work there are worthless? And you forgot wearing masks. Limits to businesses on how many inside. The people from about half the state's have to quarantine for 14 days. And if you hop on a plane to certain states you do too. You can fly on a plane but where you going? Many countries aren't accepting US citizens. My first trip to Europe will likely be cancelled soon. No real school and college classes. No live entertainment. You can't play all sports you can play some sports. Etc by 1000x. I'm glad your little world is just fine but don't believe for a second the things you dismiss aren't major.
No you didn't! You actually gave false information.
"was able to move on, fully move on - society fully open, sports not only happening but having fans in the stadium, etc."
Auckland doesn't fit your narrative! They are under lockdown. It's the biggest city in the country!
I've got no moral qualms about weed (I grew up in the 60's.). My concern, and the concern for almost everybody who is considering voting no, has to do with auto accidents and deaths. Our roads are narrow and windy to begin with (lots of mountains). And Kiwis are not really the best of drivers. Wish I could find some really solid data on that issue from the states.
You finally make a somewhat decent post and then choke it away late.
You have yet to do anything but choke.
they are trying hard to convince themselves that wearing masks while being forced to sit outside to eat under a tent or shop is hardly something that matters to life and enjoyment
you know where I feel the most normal..outdoors at work and at the beach and boardwalk with no mask...those are where you find the most normal places in the world...thats why Biden is a creep for his comments yesterday fear mongering people to wear masks outdoors until the election..lmfao
If widespread marijuana use is anything like it is in the US, then people are already driving with it. So making it legal really doesn’t change anything.
for some reason he ignores this..career medical professionals and scientists had nothing...has nothing to do with pandemic playbook or Trump...but do you see him attack those people...career officials..bureaucracy
Bitter, Proud. It's your signature. Enjoy life. Help others. Lose the anger. Seriously, you'll be much happier.
Forget the article ... that is part of our society articles which go nowhere...left open for debate...If I write an article today filled with valid data points for sure tomorrow someone somewhere will attempt to refute it... it is happening now since nobody wants to be wrong especially with articles on drug trials and possible breakthroughs... to test the entire US population once a week will in my opinion take several years if not longer... even if the people at the top change...
Thanks. Here is a really crazy number - there are now over 200 "Nature" branded journals: https://www.nature.com/siteindex Back in the "old days" - ~20 years ago, there was 1 Nature journal.
It doesn't matter to life and enjoyment. You're just incredibly weak. Always have been. You spend your time whining like a child on the internet about masks and not being able to go to the gym. Which really just replaces whatever nondescript everyday inconvenience you'd be complaining about in the absence of a pandemic. Real adults adapt, make the best of it and move on. The best of them turn it to their advantage.
You do failure, boo.
Pretty cool study of a fishing boat where 3 out of 100+ people had antibodies before the ship set sail. Someone ended up bringing the virus on board and almost everyone on the boat got sick except for those 3 people.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.13.20173161v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.13.20173161v1
Hello Skillet glad you are well... I believe comparing New Zealand to the US is an unfair analysis though what you say is somewhat true...Fortunately, the USA with all it’s faults is still a better choice than many of those countries some seem to be fawning over lately... time will tell but in the conversations I have been fortunate to have ( with New Zealanders) while staying in Hawaii there is no other country where the conversation turns to why we are unique, brash and somewhat stupid but after a few cold one’s nobody really cares..Though every great civilization has eventually collapsed I don’t believe we are anywhere near that fate.
Not drinking time yet. Too much daylight left for enjoying damn-near perfect weather.
Sorry, didn't intend to compare NZ and US. You are right; it's an unfair analysis. Especially regarding COVID. We only have five million people and have a parliamentary system, where what the PM says basically goes. She controls the parliament. So we are kind of like a small US state with a strong governor (constitutionally). Much easier to govern.
Im a big fan of New Zealand. Too old to emigrate there. Your immigration policy is a key to your country's success.
Truth. If an operation or something gets botched, you receive a degree of compensation from the government and the surgeon might be investigated, but you suing the surgeon doesn't happen. You fall in a supermarket on a wet spot, you get some bucks for lost wages and that is it.
Murphy will be last because his data doesn’t determine dates! 48 states and counting Murph!
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578556
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578729
A couple of posts above with background info from when Merck announced their vaccine plans and their plan for an oral antiviral drug. Good article in the link below updating the Merck efforts. Merck was certainly late to announce vaccine plans, but not because they weren't very busy working on vaccines.
Their approach is more "old-school" with both vaccines under development, using weakened viruses, one via a measles virus and one via an animal vesicular stomatitis virus, with both "fitted" with spike proteins from SARS-CoV-2 to elicit the appropriate immune response. Merck's hope is that this approach will elicit a stronger immune response - perhaps even "sterilizing immunity" where people don't get infected at all, vs. many of the current vaccines which have shown some level of actual infection, albeit mild, in primate challenges - and allow a single shot vaccine, whereas almost all of the current vaccines are 2-shots.
Even if later to approval, if it's a better, single shot vaccine, people might still choose it (and especially if vaccine immunity from the early vaccines only lasts a year or two). In addition, it's going to take many months to a year to vaccinate everyone who wants a vaccine, so there will likely be plenty of a market still left if Merck doesn't have either of their vaccines until spring or so; the measles-based one is further along with its first human trial slated to start next week in 260 patients.
With regard to the antiviral drug, it's in phase II testing with results available soon, and should enter phase III trials (if phase II looks good) in about a month. Many think this could be better than remdesivir, which is only available by IV. However, on the flip side, if it's not going to be approved until near the end of the year, it's quite possible the treatent results from the engineered antibody cocktails could be much better, largely obviating the need for a new antiviral (although not eliminating it, especially if it's as simple as a pill).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ne-don-t-count-merck-out-of-the-race-just-yet
This time, Merck is betting that people won’t mind a later vaccine if it’s more powerful and more convenient. Most coronavirus vaccines require two doses—a vaccine plus a booster shot—to elicit a strong enough immune response. Roger Perlmutter, Merck’s top scientist, says his team is working to get it done in one go. It’s an audacious goal, one that’s far from guaranteed to work. Johnson & Johnson is one of the few others that have announced plans to test a single-dose regimen in large trials, but J&J is trying multidose regimens, too.
What’s more, no U.S. front-runner is attempting a lab strategy like Merck’s: using vaccines based on weakened viruses that replicate in the body but don’t cause disease. This is the kind of old-school approach the company has relied on for decades, now augmented with genetic engineering to add Covid-specific proteins or RNA. One test shot is based on a measles vaccine used in Europe. Another borrows technology from Merck’s Ebola injection and is being developed in partnership with the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative (IAVI), which has experience with similar research.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578729
A couple of posts above with background info from when Merck announced their vaccine plans and their plan for an oral antiviral drug. Good article in the link below updating the Merck efforts. Merck was certainly late to announce vaccine plans, but not because they weren't very busy working on vaccines.
Their approach is more "old-school" with both vaccines under development, using weakened viruses, one via a measles virus and one via an animal vesicular stomatitis virus, with both "fitted" with spike proteins from SARS-CoV-2 to elicit the appropriate immune response. Merck's hope is that this approach will elicit a stronger immune response - perhaps even "sterilizing immunity" where people don't get infected at all, vs. many of the current vaccines which have shown some level of actual infection, albeit mild, in primate challenges - and allow a single shot vaccine, whereas almost all of the current vaccines are 2-shots.
Even if later to approval, if it's a better, single shot vaccine, people might still choose it (and especially if vaccine immunity from the early vaccines only lasts a year or two). In addition, it's going to take many months to a year to vaccinate everyone who wants a vaccine, so there will likely be plenty of a market still left if Merck doesn't have either of their vaccines until spring or so; the measles-based one is further along with its first human trial slated to start next week in 260 patients.
With regard to the antiviral drug, it's in phase II testing with results available soon, and should enter phase III trials (if phase II looks good) in about a month. Many think this could be better than remdesivir, which is only available by IV. However, on the flip side, if it's not going to be approved until near the end of the year, it's quite possible the treatent results from the engineered antibody cocktails could be much better, largely obviating the need for a new antiviral (although not eliminating it, especially if it's as simple as a pill).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ne-don-t-count-merck-out-of-the-race-just-yet
This time, Merck is betting that people won’t mind a later vaccine if it’s more powerful and more convenient. Most coronavirus vaccines require two doses—a vaccine plus a booster shot—to elicit a strong enough immune response. Roger Perlmutter, Merck’s top scientist, says his team is working to get it done in one go. It’s an audacious goal, one that’s far from guaranteed to work. Johnson & Johnson is one of the few others that have announced plans to test a single-dose regimen in large trials, but J&J is trying multidose regimens, too.
What’s more, no U.S. front-runner is attempting a lab strategy like Merck’s: using vaccines based on weakened viruses that replicate in the body but don’t cause disease. This is the kind of old-school approach the company has relied on for decades, now augmented with genetic engineering to add Covid-specific proteins or RNA. One test shot is based on a measles vaccine used in Europe. Another borrows technology from Merck’s Ebola injection and is being developed in partnership with the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative (IAVI), which has experience with similar research.
Wrong on this too - it's a habit. I excoriated the CDC numerous times back in Feb/March for their abysmal testing performance (would you like me to find those posts for you?), but I also have noted, as have many others, that the CDC was nowhere near the only game in town, as there was an approved test available on 1/23, which we could have adopted and rolled out or even purchased from Germany/SK.
But we chose to go down with the CDC ship rather than dual sourcing the single most important detection tool in a pandemic arsenal and that's on "management" i.e., HHS (Azar, CDC's boss) and Trump (Azar's boss). Also, as we've seen throughout the pandemic, Trump simply doesn't want to do much testing anyway given his outrageously stupid comments that testing increases cases - no, transmissions increase cases, testing just finds them, so it wouldn't surprise me if he simply didn't care about testing back in Feb, especially since he thought it was simply going to go away, anyway.
You're so full of shit it's not funny. Show one single post of mine that involved anything close to cheering on deaths. The reason I'm so pissed off about what's going on in this country and with our broken government (on both sides, but much moreso on Trump - and NY/NJ pols haven't been perfect either) is because we failed so badly to protect ourselves from this pandemic, resulting in 170K deaths and many more serious illnesses, so far, with much more to come.
I also find it unconscionable that so many don't really seem to care about the elderly dying in massive numbers and even the huge impact on the middle-aged and are unwilling to do the simple things that would greatly reduce transmissions/deaths, like distancing/masking. We could've done so much better, but instead we're well on our way to having the worst pandemic record in the "first world" (and maybe the whole world) with regard to per capita deaths. We've become the laughingstock of the world. Doesn't that at least piss you off and make you want us to do better?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...onished-as-u-s-hits-5-million-cases-1.5057041
No, he just wants his gym to open.
You're so cute when you try to sound educated and scientific. Ineffective, but cute. So South Korea succeeded because they had did a tabletop pandemic simulation last year? Well, then why didn't we succeed, having inherited an excellent playbook from the Obama administration, and then, last year having had our own pandemic simulation and having a bipartisan group of leaders completing a great report on what could be done to improve our "health security." Read the two posts below and maybe you'll learn something; mine's decent, but @RU4Real's is even better.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-good-news-on-cv-19-treatment.198410/page-2#post-4611813
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ot-good-news-on-cv-19-treatment.198410/#post-4611001
In case you weren't aware (my guess is you weren't or you wouldn't have made your foolish points on SK's exercise) we had two major pandemic exercises in 2019, one run by the actual Administration, as Azar at HHS oversaw the "Crimson Contagion" simulation last year to evaluate whether we were ready (no) for a pandemic, plus the CSIS (highly respected bipartisan DC think tank with the team's co-chairs being Julie Gerberding, former CDC head and now at Merck, and former US senator Kelly Ayotte, a republican from NH) came out with a very detailed analysis of what was needed to protect human health/national security from biological threats last year, also.
By the way, that report’s number-one recommendation was to undo the Trump administration’s cuts to pandemic planning: “Restore health security leadership at the White House National Security Council.” Both are detailed in the links below. And to boot, as per my post yesterday, 5 former CDC heads are now on record saying the biggest reason for our failed response to the pandemic was our abysmal leadership at the top and our confusing, incoherent communications. Must all be deep state operatives.
https://www.wired.com/story/an-oral-history-of-the-pandemic-warnings-trump-ignored/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html
And let's nip your stupid statement on HCQ right in the bud. Nobody in SK was taking HCQ when they got hit by their big first wave, as that wave started in mid-Feb and was essentially over by mid-March, before the HCQ Army started their months long attack on science and medicine. And once they had controlled the outbreak, they haven't had to treat anyone with any drugs, because their case rates are so amazingly low, less than 100 per day (that's about 600 per day on a US basis, whereas we just peaked at over 60,000 per day). Go ahead, find one reputable source that says HCQ had even a tiny bit to do with SK's success with COVID. It'll be a very long wait. Again, if you'd like to learn something, this time about medical science, please read the attached article on the HCQ fiasco.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hy...iN8cQxkJyNhE7xiBAvFLoZ8saTvJBx3DuQsSSXXoJrdxs
The one thing we agree on is that China acted very badly in hiding their outbreak and not initially sharing data they likely had on things like asymptomatic transmissions. But to you, that led to our horrible performance. But not South Korea's and they were hit earlier than the US. Hmmmm, maybe it was just the masks and not all the aggressive testing, tracing, and isolating.
lol, just for @bac2therac
NY is going forward with further reopenings, as city museums to reopen at 25% on 24 August, with timed ticketing, and controlled traffic flow. Bowling alleys at 50% on Monday. Gyms will get protocol on Monday, as earlier this week, NY gym owners collaborated to come up with their own reopening plan. I would imagine NJ gyms will reopen soon with similar controls...
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-borough...2020/08/11/new-york-gyms-tout-reopening-plan-
Notre Dame started their fall semester this week with over 11K students tested and 28 found to be positive (about 0.3%), who will go into their quarantine protocol. Basic expectations are below and they're using a mix of on-line and in-person classes (with assigned seating for contact tracing purposes). Will be interesting to follow this...
Among the key responsibilities of each community member are:
And just saw this - Villanova is threatening to send students home after hundreds of freshmen gathered together at a social event, with most not wearing masks or distancing. This ain't gonna be easy...
https://www.phillyvoice.com/villano...ols-social-distancing-face-masks-coronavirus/
Among the key responsibilities of each community member are:
- Wearing masks
- Practice physical distancing
- Observing personal hygiene (i.e., hand washing)
- Completing daily health checks
And just saw this - Villanova is threatening to send students home after hundreds of freshmen gathered together at a social event, with most not wearing masks or distancing. This ain't gonna be easy...
https://www.phillyvoice.com/villano...ols-social-distancing-face-masks-coronavirus/
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