Because it's a Pandemic. And, as you've made quite clear, you'd like to get back to as normal as possible asap. Even if things are dubious, you err on the side of caution. Not too difficult.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Because it's a Pandemic. And, as you've made quite clear, you'd like to get back to as normal as possible asap. Even if things are dubious, you err on the side of caution. Not too difficult.
I hope he isnt labelling anyone who asks questions anti science because thats flat out bullcrap
People should be asking questions..why are large gatherings of protests encouraged by health officials and some politicians..that is anti science
People should be asking questions..why are large gatherings of protests encouraged by health officials and some politicians..that is anti science
You haven't been "asking questions;" you've been pushing a narrative.
I guess some people think you can only catch Covid inside. Maybe we should all go camping for 2 weeks and rid the world of this virus!!
Im asking questions
Masks mandates outdoors?
Protests encouraged?
Age of those under 50 dying?
Herd immunity?
Asymptomatic spread?
European countries spiking?
Gyms closed only in nyc and nj?
Masks mandates outdoors?
Protests encouraged?
Age of those under 50 dying?
Herd immunity?
Asymptomatic spread?
European countries spiking?
Gyms closed only in nyc and nj?
Nobody is judging masks on 100% efficacy. That’s ridiculous — you don’t say “masks are worthless because people still get the virus when masks are worn.” Masks are worth it if we meaningfully reduce the amount of transmission, and if we save lives by reducing the dose transmitted.
If you have symptoms you shouldn’t be anywhere that requires a mask — and people who don’t have symptoms should wear masks because they may be spreading the virus.
Seat belts? Why? Car accident are going to car accident...
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About 8-9% of the total deaths in the US are under 54; and seeing the downside scenarios for some of my peers who survived nasty cases, I’d still wear a mask if that number was much lower.
I would rather not get this thing (if I haven’t already) even if you take death off the table, so I wear a mask
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Per Washington Post, Trump to announce emergency authorization of plasma treatment. Believed to be modestly beneficial, but also apparently already widely available. I don’t know the side-effects, but to the extent it’s beneficial, glad it will hopefully be used even more frequently.
That said, in the words of one of our founding fathers: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We don’t have a sure-fire cure, but this administration keep buying pounds of anything that might come close; while undermining anything that smells of prevention.
That said, in the words of one of our founding fathers: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We don’t have a sure-fire cure, but this administration keep buying pounds of anything that might come close; while undermining anything that smells of prevention.
And when he changed his mind, you didn’t?
He never ever said they were basically worthless. He has repeatedly said they should be worn after admitting he only said not to wear them to save them for our frontline workers.
The Borgata resisted the honorariums for Biden's campaign for almost a month before relenting.
The last confirmed death was 8 days ago.
As John Waite sang for The Babys in 1977 "Isn't It Time?"
As John Waite sang for The Babys in 1977 "Isn't It Time?"
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Do i have to post the vid again..how many lives were lost because of this..be consistent
Do i have to post the vid again..how many lives were lost because of this..be consistent
My best mask wearing gems are those people riding alone in their car ( nobody else) on GSP and still wearing a mask... now that is a true herded sheep... you know who he or she is voting for without doubt .... or the young 20 something kid with mask and neck gaiter walking on the street with NOBODY within a mile... an educated college grad... hope it wasn’t RU?
Full disclosure i wear masks in all indoor places where required
"No one will be allowed to buy and sell without the mask of the beast."
Mask today,mark tomorrow.
My best mask wearing gems are old crotchety coots staring in creepily at other cars.
Seriously maybe they were in a hurry ...from one place that needed a mask to another. Who cares?
FDA authorizes convalescent plasma treatment for Covid patients
Regarding Plasma. Numbers already explained all of this.
www.statnews.com
Is convalescent plasma safe and effective? We answer the major questions about the Covid-19 treatment
The strength of the evidence supporting what’s called convalescent plasma remains controversial.
www.statnews.com
Because it's the same stupid question you keep asking. You simply don't understand science and never will. Biden is simply repeating what many scientific experts are saying (and he's quoting the well-respected IHME models here, which said ~65K lives could be saved from here through Nov with 95% masking), which is what we want our leaders to do, rather than ignoring scientific experts. Have you ever read any of the links many of us have provided on the effectiveness of masks? Do I need to repost them?
And for the 100th time, Fauci never said masks were worthless. Back in March, he said they should be worn by infected people to prevent them from infecting others and he also said they're very important for high risk people, like health care workers to have to reduce their chances to become infected.
The area he was wrong on was in saying everyone didn't need to wear them, as he was likely underestimating asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic transmission (the data were not nearly as strong on these routes back then) and also wanting to avoid health care workers not having access to masks because healthy people might use them up, since the Administration didn't do much to procure the level of PPE we needed.
By early April he and the CDC supported full masking, but yes that delay likely cost thousands of lives, although there's nothing we can do about that now, and I have no idea what this has to do with people still refusing to believe masks offer good (but not perfect) protection and refusing to wear masks when social distancing can't be assured.
Naaah ... just living in total fear I suppose but it is dumb and people have no horse sense... if you saw the kid it was as if he were in a frigid climate... like I said ... in his 20’s .
How would you know? Just a b.s. narrative fake tough guys push to fill in their own missing self esteem.
You should be grateful rather than condescending. It's your senior citizen ass he's saving, not his own.
How many deaths did he and the WHO contribute too...if you believe in Bidens comments which i dont you better step up to the plate to account for Faucis lies
I’m grateful I didn’t spawn some pathetic loser like you ... not a tough guy narrative just a fact ... as for self esteem what does that even mean ... it must really have hit a nerve for you to attack right away... the facts are: you don’t need a mask driving alone down the GSP for 15 miles... yes 15 miles... and walking on a street with not a soul around for several miles not necessary... See if you can make my age .
Regarding Plasma. Numbers already explained all of this.
Is convalescent plasma safe and effective? We answer the major questions about the Covid-19 treatment
The strength of the evidence supporting what’s called convalescent plasma remains controversial.
Really nice summary article (Stat is very good), thanks. Below are links to two posts of mine with the first one being the discussion from the other day in the Times about not granting the emergency use authorization, partly because we're still lacking randomized controlled trial data (5 months into use with 90,000 infused!) and partly because there were concerns that providing the authorization will mean we'll never get the RCTs we need.
The second one summarizes the latest promising data from the Mayo Clinic program, showing 57% mortality reduction in some aggregated studies (not quite a form RCT, which is still an issue). Not having completed an RCT on plasma is a huge miss by the FDA, IMO, and now it's going to be even harder as who's going to consent to get placebo or standard care when the data on plasma look so promising, even if not from an RCT?
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
Here's something worth of a study:Are heavy coffee drinkers more susceptible to the virus? As an experiment,I checked my blood oxygen levels both before and after I drank 2 cans of Vanilla Coke. Before:99 After: 95. Since high oxygen levels in the blood are desirable for recovery from...
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COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
They're already being creative but part of that creativity is going to be distance learning. That shouldn't be and doesn't have to be the only creativity.
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Lol. When you put down a total stranger for something benign like wearing a mask in his car, it's you who have problems, my man.
Hope it helped you find that self esteem and feel better about yourself, at least. If not, I bet there's someone in your neighborhood wearing jorts Or a strange-colored shirt you could go make fun of.
*high fives*🙌
This is why I try not to engage with you in this thread. You're hysterical and you continue to spew falsehoods and you clearly didn't even read my post or watch the video I posted on Fauci and masks. I believe Biden's comments and I believe that we lost thousands of lives by not going to universal masking earlier (like I was recommending in early March), but the decision to go to universal masking earlier was far harder in light of the much less convincing data in hand in early March on mask effectiveness and on the degree of asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic transmission. As data/studies come in, science evolves and so do scientific perspectives - that's the way it works.
Really nice summary article (Stat is very good), thanks. Below are links to two posts of mine with the first one being the discussion from the other day in the Times about not granting the emergency use authorization, partly because we're still lacking randomized controlled trial data (5 months into use with 90,000 infused!) and partly because there were concerns that providing the authorization will mean we'll never get the RCTs we need.
The second one summarizes the latest promising data from the Mayo Clinic program, showing 57% mortality reduction in some aggregated studies (not quite a form RCT, which is still an issue). Not having completed an RCT on plasma is a huge miss by the FDA, IMO, and now it's going to be even harder as who's going to consent to get placebo or standard care when the data on plasma look so promising, even if not from an RCT?
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
Here's something worth of a study:Are heavy coffee drinkers more susceptible to the virus? As an experiment,I checked my blood oxygen levels both before and after I drank 2 cans of Vanilla Coke. Before:99 After: 95. Since high oxygen levels in the blood are desirable for recovery from...
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
They're already being creative but part of that creativity is going to be distance learning. That shouldn't be and doesn't have to be the only creativity.
The one stat I always see from the Mayo study is the 7 day mortality reduction from 11.9 to 8.7. I thought that was sort of disappointing and it reminded me of the Remdesivir results.
Grow up son... putting him down ? ...not even close...driving on a major highway wearing a mask has been known to cause visual and breathing issues... if you are alone you are endangering lives... do you text when you drive ? The kid isn’t protecting me and other seniors unless he’s close to them... it was 90 + degrees ... more likely I would save him from asphyxiation on street... not a soul within several miles...
What I
20% no. 20% is the infection rate where the people who don’t act smart have already been infected and the marginally smart have started to wise up.
I wasn't referring to you specifically and there's nothing wrong with skeptical - I'm incredibly skeptical, which is part of being a good scientist. But there's a big difference between skeptical and completely dismissing strong scientific evidence on the basis of politics and control, which is what many are doing - none of the people who have done the research on masks did it while thinking about politics (and large chunks of it were done before COVID).
Also, masks are far more important for COVID than any other recent viral disease. For example, SARS/MERS had very little asymptomatic transmission, with most of their transmission occurring after people had significant symptoms, so it was not unexpected that it took a bit of time and some studies to convince many scientists of the much higher transmission rates for SARS-CoV-2, fueled by asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic people - where wearing a mask truly can make a difference.
Where I think skepticism and questioning are still very valuable is in trying to figure out the details of transmissions with and without masks, as I posted about yesterday. The uncertainty/variability around how much viral shedding comes from an infected person at various stages of infection and how much viral dose passes through an infected person's mask and how much viral dose is received through the receiving person's mask (at various distances indoors vs. outdoors and over how much time) and then how that received dose translates to no infection, a mild one, a moderate one or a severe one are all important to further define - but none of that is going to show that masks aren't moderately to significantly effective in reducing transmissions (how much is in question, but not that they provide benefits).
Hopefully, this doesn't derail the discussion, but I feel similarly about global warming, for example. There's no doubt that greenhouse gases increasing can lead to a warming planet and that the planet has warmed over the last 100+ years. People arguing with those points are just being obstructionist, IMO.
However, I think some skepticism is warranted on whether and to what extent continued emissions of greenhouse gases will lead to further global warming with potentially major impacts, like sea level rise, more wild weather, and big changes in agricultural regions. Those things are open to debate, since modeling the planet many years into the future is really hard and there are major uncertainties in key elements of the models, such that the outcomes aren't a given, i.e., being skeptical of the models/outcomes is fair.
But being skeptical that greenhouse gases trap heat and can increase temperature (all else being held constant) is just denying basic science - especially if that skepticism is born out of politics by assuming the scientists working on the science/models are politically motivated. I'm also ok with someone showing the models could be wrong and how (and in fact if someone ever is able to show they're way off, they'd be scientific celebrities), but just don't try to tell me it's all some grand conspiracy - that's nuts.
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