Do you know what flattening the curve even means? Has nothing to do with deaths, all about hospitalizations, which are tied to infections. Really not difficult to understand.
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Do you know what flattening the curve even means? Has nothing to do with deaths, all about hospitalizations, which are tied to infections. Really not difficult to understand.
what are your goals, no cases, no deaths, that isnt happening, we have to live with this virus, the idea that schools may not reopen is frightening to society
I don't argue with you on these points. I argue with those who brazenly acted like this was over a month ago, and still despite all this mounting evidence act like we can move fwd as if Covid is something we need to move on from.
Same goals as everyone else. To keep the virus in check so our hospitals aren’t overrun and we can keep businesses open. In order to do this you have to take some precautions.
The idea that Hospitals could be over run is also pretty frightening.
i never said this was over a month ago, coronavirus is real..its infecting and killing people, let me make that clear
I wouldn't say nothing to do with deaths. When hospitals are over run, deaths will certainly increase dramatically.
Well yeah if we don’t flatten the curve deaths will go haywire for sure, and not just from Covid.
I don't seeing deaths exceed daily numbers as it did. I don't see deaths climb as much as many those positive are increasingly younger. Hopefully the young that want to party and gather in large groups with no masks will just zoom to say to the elderly family members. And that is not a get off my lawn comment. Although the music is different and many of them drink White Claw, my generation, your generation all did the same. I don't begrudge youth for being young and enjoying it. However because they are a big part of the current positives yes in general I see this trend continuing.
Luckily the lockdowns made the Javits unnecessary.
But we won't be locking down again, and I'm for that, but there are measures we can take to limit the damage without a full lockdown.
So I'll ask you directly, just to be clear, you think the death trend will continue downward?
If you or Murphy think they can stop a 2nd Wave IF there is one, you are both foolish.
No. I think I was clear on that. But there will be a large gap. Much larger until positives track downward.
are you sure...why wouldnt we lockdown if a true 2nd wave hits....what is see now is Murphy has put any openings on hold now for at least a month...and guess what when the fall hits and the 2nd wave comes he cannot stop it and we are back to sheltering in place again and the fear mongering continues til after the election
And to be clear I'm not asking for another lockdown.
Right now I'm all about masks, and unfortuneately for those businesses that can not function without masks? Imo that is where the gov't should be focusing their funds.
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We wouldn't need a 2nd lockdown if everyone just wore masks and took the proper distancing precautions. Life can go on, even with the virus around. Asia has done it, most of Europe has done it. People are back at work, eating out, doing all the things we all wish we could do, minus large gatherings like sporting events and concerts. Only here are people just so resistant to common sense things. Why? Because people have decided that the virus is political.
I'll again step into some common ground here, but we won't see another NYC/NJ April scenario. We are aware of the situation now, we wear masks, we have treatments, we have expanded hosptical capacity. Now Murphy has slowed some openings, as has Republican governors in some other states. Murphy just did it before the situation become problematic.
Let me ask you about Murphy's plan for the second wave if there is one. He talks everyday for hours it's seems. Yet he hasn't addressed anything about a 2nd Wave. People would like to know what his plans are especially on how to handle the elderly. I guess if he changes what he did before he would be admitting he did something wrong. So I'm guessing the elderly are at very high risk again.
As we don't know, we admit such discussion would be purely speculative.
If schools don't fully open in September, then life isn't going on.
Even a half-opening prevents life from going on and people going back to work.
Not saying schools should or shouldn't open - but those are the facts.
No business can function without mask if masks are the game changer. I still think social distancing is and always has been much more important.
Shouldn't he have a plan?? Much better and very detailed by now just in case?
one word..schools
stop acting like your above statement is anything close to normal
how can one dine without masks, what a contradiction
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1)Yeah social distance when possible, but in many business situations it is not possible, thus masks.
2)I assume they have a better plan, but again, speculation.
so will gyms be closed for 2 years....what about schools and indoor dining
if masks are so important how can anyone dine indoor or outdoor, if masks are the end all be all like the new talking point for some, how can some even sit outdoors and eat without masks..how could you force mask walking down the street but you are allow people to sit and dine outdoors without masks...the hypocrisy of that, how does that make sense
Are the final counts even in yet?
People believing the downward trend in deaths would continue despite this dramatic increase in cases have not been paying attention.
*Revised for TX*
TX-
Last 7 days: 325
Previous 7 days: 245
7 days ended 6/23: 189
Peak new cases: 7/7
951 deaths nationally is highest since June 10th. 31% more than last Tuesday.
75% of the state will not comply with mask “all the time” outside. All numbers are down substantially so why the panic now.
But if masks are the end all. Why social distancing?? Because that is the mentality of 90% of people wearing them.
because its the message that "they" have coalesced around and "they" are going to hammer it hard.
Murphy as usual is the follower
Why can't you accept nuance?
Or perhaps a better question, why do you only accept nuance when it fits your argument?
Masks are not as important outdoors, we agree on this. Thus outdoor dining and bars(although we see all sorts of awful disancing going on there) are better then indoors.
Gyms, Indoor dining and bars with very limited capacity seems possible, but still an obvious transmission point.
Schools imo is what Murphy is focusing on. Keep the #'s low enough so that we can have some level of hybrid in-school-home-school combo.
i thought masks prevent spread..some here have posted almost 100% no? why wouldnt gyms and any indoor place be open for that matter with masks required
oh guess what, wearing a mask doesnt really protect you as a bottom line
oh guess what, wearing a mask doesnt really protect you as a bottom line
When you consistently point towards a down ward trend as "proof" that those who predicted an upward trend were wrong, that makes me think that is what you were thinking.
But then again, you could have just been arguing in bad faith.
Why don't you answer the question about his lack of the plan to handle the elderly if there is second wave? He is just going to make it up on the fly again?
what i am doing is calling some out for projecting into the future, coronavirus isnt playing by any rules eh? How about we adapt as the data comes in, some here are acting like it is still April in how they approach the virus and hospitalizations and who is catching it and how it is spread
Masks do protect to a high level. 100%? No but to a very high level.
The problem with restaurants and bars is you can't eat and drink with a mask on. Problem with gyms is it is hard to excercise with a mask on.
I don't know if he has a plan. You don't either. I assume he does, you assume he doesn't. Where would you like to go with this argument?
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