COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[RUevolution36]

one word..schools


stop acting like your above statement is anything close to normal

how can one dine without masks, what a contradiction

I never said normal, but it's a hell of a lot more functional than what we have now.

Eating out is obviously a calculated risk, but, again, other countries are doing it.

Schools in other countries are open too. I know someone who runs a few private pre-k schools in Taiwan. They're working just fine. 4 year old kids are able to wear masks all day aside from meal times. Go figure, we are worse than a bunch of 4 year olds.

Point is, the use of masks and a period of lockdown beat back the number of cases enough in those countries that they can operate in a greater capacity than we can. They can sustain this low level this thru continued use of masks and logical testing, containment, and tracing. All of that was done with a unified national program. Here, if you don't like the rules in NJ, you can drive a few hours and go to a state that's more lax. This defeats the whole purpose of the containment strategy.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't know if he has a plan. You don't either. I assume he does, you assume he doesn't. Where would you like to go with this argument?

if i majorly caused tons of deaths 2nd most in the country by following a disasterous nursing home policy, i would be trying to own up and reassuring the public, instead Murphy and Cuomo have acted like it never happened

 

[RU-05]

what i am doing is calling some out for projecting into the future, coronavirus isnt playing by any rules eh? How about we adapt as the data comes in, some here are acting like it is still April in how they approach the virus and hospitalizations and who is catching it and how it is spread

Some act like it is better to plan ahead, especially when the result is likely.

 

[RU-05]

if i majorly caused tons of deaths 2nd most in the country by following a disasterous nursing home policy, i would be trying to own up and reassuring the public, instead Murphy and Cuomo have acted like it never happened

As noted the percentage of nursing home deaths in NJ is on average with the country. Some states, like Florida have a worse %. NJ and NY were just the unfortunate states to be hit especially hard early.

 

[bac2therac]

Some act like it is better to plan ahead, especially when the result is likely.

you dont know what corona is going to do. How about we start figuring out some studies on young people and especially children....we need this because we need schools open.

 

[bac2therac]

As noted the percentage of nursing home deaths in NJ is on average with the country. Some states, like Florida have a worse %. NJ and NY were just the unfortunate states to be hit especially hard early.

percentages dont matter...amounts do....we had incredibly high numbers of cases and kept doing it over and over and over and over again

why in this discussion people trreat other states on the same level as ny and nj who by far handled this poorly...i realize we fought the first wave off but its tough to praise these states for what happened

 

[becktheory]

because its the message that "they" have coalesced around and "they" are going to hammer it hard.

Murphy as usual is the follower

New Jersey was the first state to mandate masks. That by definition is not following.

 

[RUevolution36]

percentages dont matter...amounts do....we had incredibly high numbers of cases and kept doing it over and over and over and over again

why in this discussion people trreat other states on the same level as ny and nj who by far handled this poorly...i realize we fought the first wave off but its tough to praise these states for what happened

Its still the same wave.

 

[bac2therac]

Its still the same wave.

NJ still everyday in top 5 deaths

 

[bac2therac]

New Jersey was the first state to mandate masks. That by definition is not following.

gee how has that worked out

tops in the country in deaths per million

 

[RUevolution36]

NJ still everyday in top 5 deaths

Wouldn't that be a case for slowing down reopening then?

 

[RU-05]

percentages dont matter...amounts do....we had incredibly high numbers of cases and kept doing it over and over and over and over again

why in this discussion people trreat other states on the same level as ny and nj who by far handled this poorly...i realize we fought the first wave off but its tough to praise these states for what happened

Given how much harder NY NJ was hit then these other states you can't really compare the amount's.

 

[WhiteBus]

I don't know if he has a plan. You don't either. I assume he does, you assume he doesn't. Where would you like to go with this argument?

I don't think he has even thought about based on how he has handled this round. Constantly he says about plans "I'll discuss them at a later date" . He had no plan for Monmouth Park until the last minute when he had very detailed plans for weeks from the gaming commission approvals. And to this date he has never admitted he failed the elderly at the beginning and up to this very minute.

 

[bac2therac]

Wouldn't that be a case for slowing down reopening then?

or a case that the mask thingie is overblown

 

[bac2therac]

does anyone have the daily data on how many of NJ's daily 50-70 deaths is coming from nursing homes..i know one day it was 82%

 

[bac2therac]

Given how much harder NY NJ was hit then these other states you can't really compare the amount's.

agree.....200 nursing home deaths in the state of Bumblebee isnt the same as 7K in NJ

 

[RU23]

i thought masks prevent spread..some here have posted almost 100% no? why wouldnt gyms and any indoor place be open for that matter with masks required

oh guess what, wearing a mask doesnt really protect you as a bottom line

You aren’t thinking logically. Re-read the bold. Re-read it again. And then re-read it again. I’ll repeat, you aren’t thinking logically. Re-read it again.

I hope you’ve got it by now. If not, I’m sorry, but you’re too far gone. Too far gone to be reasoned with, and everyone debating you should just let it go.

 

[RUevolution36]

or a case that the mask thingie is overblown

Or compliance with the mask thingie was crap, which is well documented by all, including yourself. Condoms don't work if you only use them half the time. Or don't wear them properly.

 

[bac2therac]

300 of the 455 deaths in Somerset County were from long term care/nursing home facilities

 

[Greg2020]

All true and concerning, but to be fair, Texas has ~3X the population of NJ, so 9000 current hospitalizations in TX is, per capita, a lot less than NJ's peak of 8000 (which would be ~26K at TX's population of 29MM vs NJ's 8.9MM).

Yup i realize that but that's still not comforting to the people in the hospital.

 

[bac2therac]

Or compliance with the mask thingie was crap, which is well documented by all, including yourself. Condoms don't work if you only use them half the time. Or don't wear them properly.

????? odd, i wore a mask and wear one everywhere its required in stores, banks and post offices....????

 

[MulletCork]

My office is in a downtown with many restaurants and eateries. Of course most are trying to generate any business by having tables outside all over the sidewalks and in the street. So people sit there eating with no masks on but the people who are just walking by literally a foot or two away are expected to have a mask on heading to their office. Or if to go walk from there to an empty park a block away? Sure that makes sense.

 

[RUevolution36]

????? odd, i wore a mask and wear one everywhere its required in stores, banks and post offices....????

You've posted plenty about how others aren't wearing masks.

 

[bac2therac]

You've posted plenty about how others aren't wearing masks.

outdoors...yes outdoors is silly and i and alot of people arent giving that up. If you want to wear a mask walking your dog, have at it, i wont because its not being spread through passing by someone on the street

 

[Greg2020]

But if masks are the end all. Why social distancing?? Because that is the mentality of 90% of people wearing them.

Why do we have speed limits, and seat belts, and car safety features? If any one of them works the others are not needed according to your logic.

 

[bac2therac]

My office is in a downtown with many restaurants and eateries. Of course most are trying to generate any business by having tables outside all over the sidewalks and in the street. So people sit there eating with no masks on but the people who are just walking by literally a foot or two away are expected to have a mask on heading to their office. Or if to go walk from there to an empty park a block away? Sure that makes sense.

this

and outdoor dining is hypocritical, Murphy is dining with Bon Jovi just inches away yet he wants to require all of us to wear masks even outdoors when we leave the house..its bizarre when you think about the hypocrisy, it actually boggles the mind

alot of this stuff is arbitrary

its why i am pushing back so hard, asking questions and challenging things here, some may think its annoying and trolling but its actually highlighting all the contradictions the past few months

 

[Greg2020]

if i majorly caused tons of deaths 2nd most in the country by following a disasterous nursing home policy, i would be trying to own up and reassuring the public, instead Murphy and Cuomo have acted like it never happened

What if you were president and had the most deaths and cases of any country in the world and everything about your response was a disaster? What then?

 

[bac2therac]

we arent taking about Trump here so take that discussion elsewhere. I know in my county we have 300 out of 455 deaths from nursing homes, puts things in perspective...only 155 deaths from non nursing home cases

 

[RocktheRac]

If anyone tells me to wear a mask as I'm walking my dog will have to deal with the dog.

 

[RU-05]

????? odd, i wore a mask and wear one everywhere its required in stores, banks and post offices....????

Certainly this is not true of everyone in this country.

 

[WhiteBus]

Why do we have speed limits, and seat belts, and car safety features. If any one of them works the others are not needed according to your logic.

No. Like social distancing speed is the biggest culprit. Wearing a seat belt too. The rest of the safety features on cars today protect you because you failed to drive slowly and a seat belt. The rest is fancy shit is just window dressing because you want to drive recklessly. Like wearing a mask a foot away from me and removing to ask me where they frozen food is.

 

[bac2therac]

Certainly this is not true of everyone in this country.

its is in NJ yet we have the highest death rates in the country...and still top 5 daily, can you tell me why

 

[bac2therac]

If anyone tells me to wear a mask as I'm walking my dog will to deal with the dog.

and listen that Sweet Pea is a nasty dog

 

[WhiteBus]

If anyone tells me to wear a mask as I'm walking my dog will to deal with the dog.

If any cop comes riding in a car as I am in the middle of a 60mile bike ride by myself I'm just going to laugh. And you know what so will they.

 

[King of S]

Even the Assembly Democrats are pissed at Murphy. He’s running his own show without consulting anyone. How about Connecticut with in -door dining, gyms, movie theaters for over a month now with no issues??

 

[RU#1fan]

What if you were president and had the most deaths and cases of any country in the world and everything about your response was a disaster? What then?

You correct the worst mistake made in our Country and make it right in November.

 

[King of S]

By the way, our health commissioner is not even a doctor. She’s a nurse.

 

[RU-05]

we arent taking about Trump here so take that discussion elsewhere. I know in my county we have 300 out of 455 deaths from nursing homes, puts things in perspective...only 155 deaths from non nursing home cases

I'm very much in favor of keeping both Murphy and Trump out of the discussion.

 

[RU-05]

its is in NJ yet we have the highest death rates in the country...and still top 5 daily, can you tell me why

Because death counts linger long after the victims were infected.

Our cases which are very low and have been declining for months is a better indicator of the effectiveness of masks.

 

[RU-05]

By the way, our health commissioner is not even a doctor. She’s a nurse.

A highly accomplished nurse as well as CEO of a health care company.