COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Down to 800 in NJ hospitals with Covid. Under 150 in ICU. Just 16 deaths reported yesterday. I expect the daily deaths will wane further now, we should a couple days in the single digits in the next week.
Let's go to a more reliable source than cnn , Pravda
Out of the 16 reported, I'd think around 3 occurred this week
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/202...s-of-covid-19-cases-from-bexar-countys-tally/
As state officials updated the Texas Department of Health and Human Services COVID-19 dashboard on Wednesday, they included a note about Bexar County’s case count.
“The San Antonio Metro Health District has clarified its reporting to separate confirmed and probable cases, so the Bexar County and statewide totals have been updated to remove 3,484 probable cases. The local case count previously included probable cases identified by antigen testing but not those from antibody testing or other sources.”
The state’s count, which only includes confirmed cases, now shows more than 17,000 COVID-19 cases for Bexar County, while Bexar County’s local count shows more than 21,000 cases, combining confirmed and probable cases.
While DSHS has now omitted probable cases from the dashboard, the state health department established the guidelines for determining a probable case which includes individuals who have not had a positive PCR test for COVID-19, but who meet two of the following three criteria:
A positive quick-result antigen test
Experiencing COVID-19 symptoms
Close contact with a confirmed positive COVID-19 case
In San Antonio, probable case counts specifically include symptomatic individuals who had a positive antigen test.
Are positive antigen test any good? Numbers, should they be included?
As state officials updated the Texas Department of Health and Human Services COVID-19 dashboard on Wednesday, they included a note about Bexar County’s case count.
“The San Antonio Metro Health District has clarified its reporting to separate confirmed and probable cases, so the Bexar County and statewide totals have been updated to remove 3,484 probable cases. The local case count previously included probable cases identified by antigen testing but not those from antibody testing or other sources.”
The state’s count, which only includes confirmed cases, now shows more than 17,000 COVID-19 cases for Bexar County, while Bexar County’s local count shows more than 21,000 cases, combining confirmed and probable cases.
While DSHS has now omitted probable cases from the dashboard, the state health department established the guidelines for determining a probable case which includes individuals who have not had a positive PCR test for COVID-19, but who meet two of the following three criteria:
A positive quick-result antigen test
Experiencing COVID-19 symptoms
Close contact with a confirmed positive COVID-19 case
In San Antonio, probable case counts specifically include symptomatic individuals who had a positive antigen test.
Are positive antigen test any good? Numbers, should they be included?
Oh context matters alot and if none of them are sick then its a good sign
Dr. Sahpire deleted the tweet. [roll][roll][roll][roll][roll]
The tweet was deleted because it was fake.
Antigen tests are very accurate for positive tests results, less accurate for negative test results. No idea why they would exclude.
I don't know how common it is but there are cases where a death by some other cause is attributed to Coronavirus because the person tested positive. The 1st NJ death had me scratching my head when it was listed as a Coronavirus death but days later, additional information was reported. The man had many health issues, including diabetes, heart problems and high blood pressure. He suffered a heart attack, was revived by paramedics but eventually had a second heart attack (either en-route or at the hospital) and passed away.
As long as antigen tests (for the virus, as opposed to antibody tests to assess previous exposure, which should never be counted) are being used instead of viral PCR testing, i.e., so that there's no double counting of positive tests for the same person, then they're fine. Double counting any test results for any individuals is unacceptable when looking for population infected counts.
I think Dr. Fauci advised us of the CoVid risk from riding..
In those cases you have to ask yourself if the person would have passed away if they did not contract CV, a virus that impacts the cardiovascular system. Coincidental? Maybe, but with what we now know, CV is usually to blame.
well.. from what I have read a case like that could be covid. Think of the cases where people have cancer and it weakens them to a point where pneumonia gets em. Now.. what killed them.. the cancer or pneumonia? Take your pick, right?
Same for that case. it could be that CoVid really got them.. without CoVid.. maybe they struggle on for another 5-10 years before the accumulated health issues cause that heart attack. Maybe CoVid caused breathing and clotting issues that brought on stroke and the heart attack.
OR.. it could be that they had a very mild case of CoVid.. had barely had it in number of days.. and the heart attack that was on the way for some time arrived and they just happened to be CoVid positive at the time.
Either is possible.. take your pick. But the motorcycle thing?... C'mon now. Did CoVid cause a stroke while riding?
Murphy is making sure motorcycle dealerships stay closed.
+1
This is one of the major problems with the counts. IIRC, about 90% of folks on the Italy corona death list had a different cause of death cited on their end of life paperwork. So this is a problem beyond the US.
Until we have the following data, we don't know the real story:
1. Deaths due to COVID (where COVID directly caused the reason of death)
2. Deaths where COVID was a contributing factor (where COVID exasperated a pre-existing condition)
3. Deaths while having COVID, but not caused or contributed via COVID
Right now, everything is being lumped together. Not good science.
This is a good example of today's cancel culture that is ripping apart our country: If what you say or post is not acceptable to me, you shouldn't have a voice, ever.
As opposed to your fox news?
I wonder if we had the same problems with H1N1 swine flu death counts in '09. Hmmm...
https://www.wapt.com/article/ummc-d...rain-as-covid-19-patients-fill-beds/33342338#
ICU beds in the University of Mississippi medical center are full. Doctor said this is nothing like the flu...
ICU beds in the University of Mississippi medical center are full. Doctor said this is nothing like the flu...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/michigan-face-mask-stabbing-shooting
Resistance to mask wearing is getting violent. So much for peaceful protest against masks...
Resistance to mask wearing is getting violent. So much for peaceful protest against masks...
So have the symptoms of COVID changed?
According to the CDC up through May cases fell into the following categories:
-Asymptomatic: no symptoms
-Mild: severe flu-like symptoms, likely to be the worst illness ever experienced, in many cases much worse than the flu. Symptoms abate after 14 days without needing hospitalization.
-Moderate: Hospitalization required, but intervention is limited to non-surgical.
Severe: ICU hospitalization required, intubation likely.
So now that we’re up to 70k+ cases, where are they charting among these 4 cohorts?
I struggle hearing reports that people test positive and their only symptoms are “allergy” or “cold-like” symptoms. COVID does not cause either of those. It’s much more likely they were asymptomatic with COVID and had allergies or a minor non-COVID viral or bacterial infection simultaneously.
According to the CDC up through May cases fell into the following categories:
-Asymptomatic: no symptoms
-Mild: severe flu-like symptoms, likely to be the worst illness ever experienced, in many cases much worse than the flu. Symptoms abate after 14 days without needing hospitalization.
-Moderate: Hospitalization required, but intervention is limited to non-surgical.
Severe: ICU hospitalization required, intubation likely.
So now that we’re up to 70k+ cases, where are they charting among these 4 cohorts?
I struggle hearing reports that people test positive and their only symptoms are “allergy” or “cold-like” symptoms. COVID does not cause either of those. It’s much more likely they were asymptomatic with COVID and had allergies or a minor non-COVID viral or bacterial infection simultaneously.
No, the guy is a political hack who is wrong about everything and wouldn't know science if she punched him in the nose. It's a clear troll move to post anything Horowitz related.
Congratulations, you just validated my response.
As I kind of expected, now that kids haven't been as sequestered in the south and west, cases among children are becoming much more prevalent...
The tyranny of the minority (that could mean skin color, religion or political cause.. when you cannot out-vote and you cannot persuade those opposed to you.. you try to force things any way you can)
Is that on the CDC or the states?
I know there has been the criticism for awhile of certain states, that they were mixing the test results. Are these states giving the CDC data and the CDC has to work with what they are given? Or can they mandate that the antibody tests be kept separate from the antigen?
Has there been 100 deaths of minors?
Doesn't sound like a lot but that is with schools being closed. What would that number be over a full year with schools open? Also wonder what level of child fatalities would be considered acceptable?
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I read today that DHEA and melatonin may be great preventatives.If so,that's great news for me as I've been taking both of them for the last 30 years.
Those numbers seem pretty high. 11% of AZ's cases is about 15K.
Now Gottlieb's tweet doesn't compare # of cases now to early on, so I'm not sure what the comparison looks like, but the overall #'s are signficant.
I doubt you recall correctly at all, since one can find many, many sources saying just the opposite. Below is the most recent one from the Italian National Institute of Health, clearly showing (for a very large population sample) that "COVID-19 is the cause directly leading to death, i.e. the underlying cause, in 89% of deaths of people with a positive test to SARS-CoV-2." You really should be more careful throwing out unsourced information like that. Also, maybe invest in a dictionary - the word you were looking for is "exacerbated" not "exasperated."
https://www.istat.it/it/files//2020/07/Report_ISS_Istat_Inglese.pdf
- Causes of death reported on 4,942 death records of patients with a positive test to SARS-CoV2 were analyzed (15.6% of total deaths reported to the COVID-19 Surveillance System of the ISS until May 25th). The records include, besides COVID-19, all conditions and diseases that, according to the certifying physician, contributed in determining the death.
- COVID-19 is the cause directly leading to death, i.e. the underlying cause, in 89% of deaths of people with a positive test to SARS-CoV-2. The main causes in the remaining 11% of cases are diseases of the circulatory system (4.6% of total deaths analyzed), neoplasms (2.4%), diseases of the respiratory system (1%), diabetes (0.6%), dementia (0.6%) and diseases of the digestive system (0.5%).
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