COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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I don't but when some clown says the US is 2nd best in mortality rate you know where that complete BS comes from.
Yes I exposed you in less the 5 seconds of research.
So you are terrible at basic reading too. I compared the US mortality rates to major western democracies. Try reading again or have someone else read it to you. Like I said, you are too dumb to argue with here.
No I'm smart and you are just a stone cold lier. Facts aren't your friend.
Dude come Wednesday it's all baseball for me. Since the lockdown it's been just morning news for weather TV wise. Punk rock at night.
Not sure what your definition of major western democracy is, but Germany must count.
True---and I really count Germany as more of a comp than Canada anyway. I stand corrected. #Oversight-Germany wasn't even on the first pg of the RCP summary list.
If you’re arguing that we have an admirable per capita death rate, I ask if you’ve considered the population density in the countries you’re using as comps?
We have the 8th worst deaths per capita in the world of country's who have more than 100,000 people in them. No surprise that a poster who posted Horowitz's lies multiple times would post other inaccurate information.
Yes, and would argue that some adjustment for NY/NJ/CT population density is fair in relative comps too.
^^^^No surprise this poster takes Chicom, Putin, Iran, NoKo, etc. etc. reports at face value.
I don’t disagree. And I haven’t done the international research; I would only say that the nature of viral transmission means a population dense place should see more deaths per capita than a place with less density.
@WhiteBus will appreciate that you can’t necessarily compare the ERAs of a pitcher who tosses half of his innings in Citi Field with one putting in the same work at Coors Field.
And what about..
The Netherlands
Ireland
Switzerland
Luxembourg
Portugal
Germany
Denmark
Monaco
Austria
Finland
Norway
Iceland
Greece
...all with better deaths/100k population than the US...
how many of those countries do you want to try to explain away also?
and when Trump mentioned mortality rates, he didn't say Western European democracies...he said the world. Period.
I don't speak for Trump. Except for Germany--as noted--I wouldn't compare the above country sizes, pop densities and diversities, and the international travel volumes, especially at the worst possible time period of Dec-Jan, to the U.S. In fact there really is no country that was more in the crosshairs for this global pandemic during the holiday season than the U.S.
It's unreal some of his posts. Crazy talk.
The EU has a Pop density of 117 per sq km. The US is 35 per sq km. So, with a density that is 3x the US, Europe should have more cases...but they don't.
EU - 1,623,533 cases (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea)
US - 3,773,260 cases (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases)
EU Population of 446m people, US population of 328m.
Only those with a higher mortality rates apparently.
He does have a point here.
Keep politics out of this thread, especially your lies.
He has a point that putting Covid patients in nursing homes had disastrous consequences. A nursing home employee interviewed in a NYTimes article in April called the practice a death sentence. However, there were some nursing home populations devastated where this wasn’t taking place simply by virtue of the virus getting ahead of knowledge, testing, policy and establishment of best practices. Where you saw early community spread in the US, you also saw nursing homes that were hit hard.
This excerpt from a March 13th article about the CDC issuing COVID / nursing home guidance shows that the virus was far ahead of establishment of best practices:
“To address a potential shortage of hospital beds, the agency is allowing hospitals to reserve them for the sickest patients and discharge those who are less ill to skilled nursing facilities.“
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...s/nursing-homes-national-emergency/index.html
I wish I had the time and resources to put together a good population density and age adjusted Covid death metric. It would take into account the density of where 90% of a country’s population lives (so outliers in Alaska don’t totally skew the metric), and also relative age of populations.
Common sense says Japan should have been wiped out by this thing. Densely clustered nation, old population. They would probably outperform if this metric were created. From outperformance we could draw conclusions about policy success.
Europe is comprised of smaller self-governed countries that don't have the geographical stretch and demo diversity under single governmental spheres. And the Luxembourgs and Lichensteins, etc. skew any relevant comparison. Which Euro country has as many NYC, LA, Houston, Chicago, Philly, Detroit-like clusters? Not buying it.
My reply gave insight and context to your post.
Just because you don't like the data doesn't mean it's a lie.
You're the one who says we can't compare to Germany, the onus is on you to come up with a comparable country that's acceptable for your comparison.
Add general population health factors (I.e. US obesity, diabetes vs. Japanese, etc) into the equation and that would get us closer to fair evaluations.
So... how is that different than the US? Demographics and densities across Europe are diverse. We don't have a single governmental plan, it was left up to the states to self govern the pandemic, so there's 50 governments... EU countries have open borders in the Schengen area, not unlike our state borders...
You said a single European country wasn't a good compare, so what is?
Huh? Not what I said about Germany. But I'm not wasting my time when common sense easily prevails--and has been posted many times in this and the first pinned thread. Sorry, you will have to look it all up.
So... now that you get called out on your bs by a bunch of folks, it's time to move the conversation on? Even though you put yourself on repeat on every thread on the board?
Again, you need to account for many factors-like international travel particularly at that Dec-Jan time period (as Numbers has done) and really make a reasoned judgment.
But you are correct in that we should compare the 50 different states responses since that is in effect how we are constitutionally governed. I gotta head out now so try to think about this on your own. Thanks
LOL. Called-out by the same bunch of CNN fanboys. If you think I'm repeating myself in every thread than you certainly can go back and look things up. Or just continue stalking.
As opposed to you foxnews fan boys? You seem to be coming back for more every time too.
Tried all this before. He's simply being obstinate and trying to deflect from our failures with this virus. Anyone looking at the US vs. western European democracies, Asian democracies, and almost all countries, really, can see that we're doing worse than almost all of these countries. I condensed the Worldometers data table into a more manageable list, below, which includes just about every country over 50MM and selected countries of interest with <50MM (especially those in Europe/Asia that are most likely to have accurate data). It's ordered by deaths per 1MM.
If one looks at the current data and assumes the current death rates are sustained, the US will have the 2nd highest per capita death rate in the world (behind Belgium; and it's possible Brazil catches us) in 2-3 months, as we'll easily pass the European countries in front of us, who are having <20 deaths/day now, while we're having 500-1000 deaths/day. That's just horrible performance.
What's really bad is that the US, overall, was doing moderately better than all of the European countries ahead of it on the list after the first wave, but because those countries have done a much better job of reopening their economies, safely, vs. the US, their case/death rates have plummeted, while our case rates, after a bit of a plateau, have roughly doubled from our previous peak, and our death rates have also jumped significantly, although they're still not at the peak we saw 3 months ago - but they're still >10X the death rates of the EU, per capita, as per the graphic, below.
Finally, the worst part of all this is that not only could we have done better than most of Europe, which wouldn't have been too hard, especially since the virus hit at least Italy and a few others earlier than it hit here, but we could have done far, far better, if we had followed the path of the Asian countries, where it hit even earlier, like South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, etc., and of course China. These countries used some combination of masks, testing, tracing/isolating and targeted shutdowns (with only China instituting draconian lockdowns), with the one commonality being near universal mask-wearing. The CDC recommended masking in early April, but we still haven't issued any stronger Federal level guidance on masks or for many states. It's criminal really.
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