COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[Wolv RU]

It's very much a residual of the 20th century work construct. Now that many office workers are capable of working from home, this shouldn't even be an issue that comes up. Unless I'm completely bedridden, I work from home when sick...and my group knows that. So they never have an issue if I don't come in. Still productive, still hitting deadlines, just not there physically.

This assumes everyone can do everything from home. But more than that, I think it was understood that people should stay from others if sick. Sick people who had to work due to circumstances would just be holed up in an office or room by themselves and that was viewed as okay. Few considered that they might have gotten dozens or more people sick going to and from that location (i.e. commuting) or in common areas.

I do think that there will be some change as to how this is viewed, but then on the other hand, look at young people, even right now where the number one discussed thing is a virus. Those young people will be the ones populating our work places in ten years.

 

[cohwx]

Testing was an issue, and is still an issue.

Hearing more and more about test results taking 10 days, two weeks or more. That's basically at the "why bother?" stage in terms of pandemic control. If you can't get back a result within a couple of days at most, it pretty much blows up the idea of doing any meaningful contact tracing. Unless you assume everyone who is getting a test is positive and treat them that way - stay at home (until result is back), trace contacts, etc...but there are way too many cases to do that in many parts of the country.

Even up here, where case counts are pretty low (15-35 per day), many people are reporting that their tests are taking a week or more.

So what can be done...I think the only option now is to do something dramatic to clear the testing backlog. Shut down the hard hit areas of the country for 2 weeks or more. Complete shutdown...stay at home, only essential workers out and about. No bars, no restaurants, no barbers, no gyms. Assume everyone is infected. Limit testing (perhaps to people coming to hospitals) and allow the backlog to clear and basically start over. And enforce mask wearing at that point.

Otherwise we're basically just fooling ourselves into believing we're doing something significant to control this virus.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

 

[Joey Bags]

I think most would agree testing was an issue. People will certainly disagree about who is to blame with that, but at this point I don't think anyone's mind is changed on placing that blame by further discussing it.

The point is, the notion that "right wing" or "conservative" people won't wear masks and are the root of the current problem is not really supported by data, is an over simplification, and ignores many factors. It appears that you recognize this. While people may disagree about the scope and size of the problem, the one thing that is clear is that we are collectively in this with our neighbors, whether they are young, old, political, or agnostic. Moreover, unlike many other countries, the U.S. has about the farthest thing from a homogeneous population as you can get. I would guess that is not the case in any of these countries used for comparison. Those population differences are beneficial in many ways, but having a group that just goes with the official flow, no matter who is calling the shots, is not one of them. The sooner we accept this reality instead of playing a political blame game ("things are bad because those people that support the other political party are just so stupid") the better off we will all be.

I lean conservative on a number of items and was on the mask train from day 1. Part of the issue is up until mid-march your average Joe's scope of knowledge of the virus was "what's up with that funny kung flu?". US media wasn't picking it up or were running absurd stories like trying to debunk the overflowing Wuhan hospital footage or telling everyone to hug an Asian person.

I saw the footage and reports coming out of China in mid January, and was actively prepping by the end of Feb (told myself if the dow fell below 25k it was game on). US media was still stuck on unrelated political nonsense with small blocks devoted to the virus up through the first week of March. There was MORE than enough opportunity to start warning the masses, but our current state of society dictates that all sectors will be complicit in making sure the Dumbest Outcome Possible will always emerge.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

That is the dumbest analogy I've ever read on this board! Congrats. You are off the rail again!

Lighten up, Francis, that reference was intended for some levity. I've also heard analogies to "friendly fire" and the "fog of war" re: the CDC lab debacle. You would bitch about that too I'm sure.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Not even sure what you're asking. Do you not think one of the richest countries in the world, that supposedly was the best prepared country for a pandemic (as per the JHU study from last year) was capable of doing what South Korea did (the link below details our failures vs. SK's successes on testing)? SK was running 1000 tests per day by mid-Feb and 10,000 tests per day by 2/25 and NY had no tests run until about 3/2 and didn't reach 1000 tests per day until mid-March (similar in NJ), a full month after SK - in a country 6.5X more populated, so we actually were doing even worse on a per capita testing basis. If the CDC, FDA, and HHS (i.e., the Federal Government) had done their jobs, there's no doubt in my mind that the states would've been able to run the tests - the states weren't the bottleneck.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-to-test-people-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2153BW

Clearly, if we had had testing capability like SK's and were testing 10,000+ per day by late February, we would've known we had thousands of cases by early March and could've shut down then with that info - we ended up starting shutdowns in in NY/NJ on 3/16 (schools, restaurants/bars, public venues, etc.) when there were only about 1000 cumulative positive cases (and about 10 deaths) in NY and <200 cumulative cases in NJ (and 2 deaths).

As per the article and source study below, shutting down 1 week earlier in the US and NY would've saved about 55% of the lives lost and 2 weeks earlier would've saved 83% of lives lost in the US/NY (they analyzed both). Other analyses showed similar outcomes. Posted all of this multiple times before. Also, keep in mind that Seoul and NYC metro areas are of similar size/population and the DC-Boston corridor, which was, by far, hit hardest in the US early on, is of similar size/population as SK overall, so this wasn't really an issue of scale at least for the NE US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/us/coronavirus-distancing-deaths.html
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.15.20103655v2.full.pdf

Same thing I've been asking you for weeks at least. And you still can't directly answer except to point to So Korea, a country 1/10 our size and was on the WHO's early regional pandemic warning declaration, and has a completely different population demographic, a history of dealing with regional pandemics (well and not so well according to the Reuters article), etc. etc.

 

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[RUhasarrived]

The Mask Of The Beast.

 

[bac2therac]

I think most would agree testing was an issue. People will certainly disagree about who is to blame with that, but at this point I don't think anyone's mind is changed on placing that blame by further discussing it.

The point is, the notion that "right wing" or "conservative" people won't wear masks and are the root of the current problem is not really supported by data, is an over simplification, and ignores many factors. It appears that you recognize this. While people may disagree about the scope and size of the problem, the one thing that is clear is that we are collectively in this with our neighbors, whether they are young, old, political, or agnostic. Moreover, unlike many other countries, the U.S. has about the farthest thing from a homogeneous population as you can get. I would guess that is not the case in any of these countries used for comparison. Those population differences are beneficial in many ways, but having a group that just goes with the official flow, no matter who is calling the shots, is not one of them. The sooner we accept this reality instead of playing a political blame game ("things are bad because those people that support the other political party are just so stupid") the better off we will all be.

Great post

 

[bac2therac]

Receipts don't lie

 

[RUevolution36]

Same thing I've been asking you for weeks at least. And you still can't directly answer except to point to So Korea, a country 1/10 our size and was on the WHO's early regional pandemic warning declaration, and has a completely different population demographic, a history of dealing with regional pandemics (well and not so well according to the Reuters article), etc. etc.

Are you saying that no lessons can be learned from countries that are different than ours?

 

[bac2therac]

I’m curious to know how masks became pervasive in some Asian cultures — I don’t know if they were already popular prior to Sars, or if after Sars folks said “you don’t know it’s something other than a common cold until you’re already on a vent, so I’ll just wear the mask.”

Not sure where I’ll shake out on this; I had a full Saturday of errands, day drinking at bars, boat ride with a crowd of people, and dinner on a restaurant patio — I didn’t feel the mask was much of a burden or took away from a fun day with a friend.

Absent Covid, i would rather not have one extra item on my person, but if it makes others comfortable in five or ten years, I don’t feel like it takes away from my enjoyment of life.

Smfh..i don't even think you believe this bs

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Are you saying that no lessons can be learned from countries that are different than ours?

Nope...where did you get that idea? It looks like So Korea did learn from their past history with regional pandemics though.

 

[ArminRU]

Are you suggesting people should wear masks outside in small groups of family/friends?

Did you want him take off his mask for the 10 seconds he was alone on the mound, then put it back on after he threw the pitch?

If you can’t understand this, you should not be able to handle heavy machinery.

Unless.....unless.....you’re trolling and your neck beard needed some attention.

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

Are you suggesting people should wear masks outside in small groups of family/friends?

Did you want him take off his mask for the 10 seconds he was alone on the mound, then put it back on after he threw the pitch.

If you can’t understand this, you should not be able to handle heavy machinery.

Unless.....unless.....you’re trolling and your neck beard needed some attention.

You don’t understand, if you tell people to wear masks, you can never take your own mask off. Ever see a doctor eat a sausage and drink a beer? Didn’t think so.

5% of America’s Internet users are going to ROAST him for this (and 75% of eastern Ukraine’s)

 

[WhiteBus]

Air pollution.

This. I've posted this before. 99 of the top 100 worst air pollution cities\regions are all in Asia.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

As I understand it, the state travel restrictions apply to any interstate traveler for any reason. There is constitutionally no necessity to make a distinction.

Interesting that you bring up The Constitution. Would state imposed travel restrictions run afoul of the interstate commerce clause if the feds wanted to force the issue?

Out of curiosity I looked up the NJ restrictions and truckers delivering supplies are exempted, subject to certain protocols. I would be interested if there are exemptions for other business-related interstate travel i.e. pharma sales or of course Tommy Boy (lol)....


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[RU848789]

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The Mask Of The Beast.

Receipts don't lie

Was waiting for the usual morons to breathlessly post this picture and/or lambaste Fauci and they didn't disappoint. He was with his wife and one of his best friends and gets tested every day. He actually called the criticisms "mischievous," which was being nice.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-responds-photographed-mask-off

In an interview on "America's Newsroom," Fauci told host John Roberts that he had been sitting next to his wife, Dr. Christine Grady, and a very close friend of his.

"I had my mask around my chin. I had taken it down. I was totally dehydrated and I was drinking water trying to rehydrate myself," he explained. "And, by the way, I was negative COVID literally the day before."

"So, I guess people want to make it a big event. I wear a mask all the time when I'm outside. To pull it down to take some sips of water and put it back up again -- I guess if people want to make something about that they can," he said. "But to me, I think that's just mischievous, John."

 

[RUBOB72]

I lean conservative on a number of items and was on the mask train from day 1. Part of the issue is up until mid-march your average Joe's scope of knowledge of the virus was "what's up with that funny kung flu?". US media wasn't picking it up or were running absurd stories like trying to debunk the overflowing Wuhan hospital footage or telling everyone to hug an Asian person.

I saw the footage and reports coming out of China in mid January, and was actively prepping by the end of Feb (told myself if the dow fell below 25k it was game on). US media was still stuck on unrelated political nonsense with small blocks devoted to the virus up through the first week of March. There was MORE than enough opportunity to start warning the masses, but our current state of society dictates that all sectors will be complicit in making sure the Dumbest Outcome Possible will always emerge.

Sort of like what is now transpiring in the RU English department.

 

[RUBOB72]

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Where’s the water bottle ? Are you sure Dr. Fauci?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Was waiting for the usual morons to breathlessly post this picture and/or lambaste Fauci and they didn't disappoint. He was with his wife and one of his best friends and gets tested every day. He actually called the criticisms "mischievous," which was being nice.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-responds-photographed-mask-off

In an interview on "America's Newsroom," Fauci told host John Roberts that he had been sitting next to his wife, Dr. Christine Grady, and a very close friend of his.

"I had my mask around my chin. I had taken it down. I was totally dehydrated and I was drinking water trying to rehydrate myself," he explained. "And, by the way, I was negative COVID literally the day before."

"So, I guess people want to make it a big event. I wear a mask all the time when I'm outside. To pull it down to take some sips of water and put it back up again -- I guess if people want to make something about that they can," he said. "But to me, I think that's just mischievous, John."

You defend him because you're both hypocrites

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

You defend him because you're both hypocrites

Was waiting for the usual morons to breathlessly post this picture and/or lambaste Fauci and they didn't disappoint. He was with his wife and one of his best friends and gets tested every day. He actually called the criticisms "mischievous," which was being nice.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-responds-photographed-mask-off

In an interview on "America's Newsroom," Fauci told host John Roberts that he had been sitting next to his wife, Dr. Christine Grady, and a very close friend of his.

"I had my mask around my chin. I had taken it down. I was totally dehydrated and I was drinking water trying to rehydrate myself," he explained. "And, by the way, I was negative COVID literally the day before."

"So, I guess people want to make it a big event. I wear a mask all the time when I'm outside. To pull it down to take some sips of water and put it back up again -- I guess if people want to make something about that they can," he said. "But to me, I think that's just mischievous, John."

It's particularly funny because Numbers has been highly critical of Trump not wearing a mask publicly even though the President is always socially-distancing in his appearances and either tested himself or his team everyday.

 

[RU5781]

Was waiting for the usual morons to breathlessly post this picture and/or lambaste Fauci and they didn't disappoint. He was with his wife and one of his best friends and gets tested every day. He actually called the criticisms "mischievous," which was being nice.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-responds-photographed-mask-off

In an interview on "America's Newsroom," Fauci told host John Roberts that he had been sitting next to his wife, Dr. Christine Grady, and a very close friend of his.

"I had my mask around my chin. I had taken it down. I was totally dehydrated and I was drinking water trying to rehydrate myself," he explained. "And, by the way, I was negative COVID literally the day before."

"So, I guess people want to make it a big event. I wear a mask all the time when I'm outside. To pull it down to take some sips of water and put it back up again -- I guess if people want to make something about that they can," he said. "But to me, I think that's just mischievous, John."

BS. I see no water or food near him.

 

[RUevolution36]

Not everyone drinks their water like this...

 

[ArminRU]

It's particularly funny because Numbers has been highly critical of Trump not wearing a mask publicly even though the President is always socially-distancing in his appearances and either tested himself or his team everyday.

But enough about the mask, what about Fauci's so-called pitch?

Fauci not wearing a mask next to his wife and Trump not wearing a mask as he’s walking through hospitals and crowds of people is nothing alike.

You contribute absolutely nothing to this thread and should be banned from posting in here. You are a perfect example of why the CE board was shut down and what Richie did not want happening in this thread.

 

[Knight Shift]

What about his "pitch"? LOLOLOLOL[/QUOTE]

 

[Wolv RU]

Was waiting for the usual morons to breathlessly post this picture and/or lambaste Fauci and they didn't disappoint. He was with his wife and one of his best friends and gets tested every day. He actually called the criticisms "mischievous," which was being nice.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-responds-photographed-mask-off

In an interview on "America's Newsroom," Fauci told host John Roberts that he had been sitting next to his wife, Dr. Christine Grady, and a very close friend of his.

"I had my mask around my chin. I had taken it down. I was totally dehydrated and I was drinking water trying to rehydrate myself," he explained. "And, by the way, I was negative COVID literally the day before."

"So, I guess people want to make it a big event. I wear a mask all the time when I'm outside. To pull it down to take some sips of water and put it back up again -- I guess if people want to make something about that they can," he said. "But to me, I think that's just mischievous, John."

Honestly, this isn't a heck of a lot different than Trump not wearing a mask. Fauci was well within reason to not wear one. He should have worn one because he is supposed to promote mask wearing. He's a public figure. Unfortunately, public relations because what is I'm guessing an unwanted part of his job in 2020. While he's got a lot more of an excuse than Trump does for not doing great at it, by this point, July, he should know better too.

They should all be wearing a mask in public because they're asking others to take on the burden of doing so. If it is too much of a burden, then perhaps don't do the extra activity in public where you don't think you need one, instead of doing it without a mask.

The fact that you thought "usual morons" would use this as an example is in fact the exact reason why Fauci should know better.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Fauci not wearing a mask next to his wife and Trump not wearing a mask as he’s walking through hospitals and crowds of people is nothing alike.

You co tribute absolutely nothing to this thread and should be banned from posting in here. You are a perfect example of why the CE board was shut down and what Richie did not want happening in this thread.

Ahhhhhhh, what a cry baby. I've had plenty of solid convos with left and right posters, not always with the left in challenging a comment or opinion granted, but too bad. Sorry I don't toe the CNN line to your liking. Try #Ignore loser.

 

[RU848789]

It's particularly funny because Numbers has been highly critical of Trump not wearing a mask publicly even though the President is always socially-distancing in his appearances and either tested himself or his team everyday.

But enough about the mask, what about Fauci's so-called pitch? He might be ill.

Wow, you can't even get that right. Trump spent months at those press conferences (and visits to hospitals and factories) not distancing properly and didn't wear a mask or strongly support wearing masks until very recently. Fauci was a little late on supporting masks, although that was mostly based on availability issues for health care workers, as he has said many times and has been a staunch supporter of mask wearing for months longer than Trump.

The pitch sucked, of course, but he is 79 - most of us would be happy to have that guy's stamina and energy at 79, working 16 hour days, still.

 

[Wolv RU]

Fauci not wearing a mask next to his wife and Trump not wearing a mask as he’s walking through hospitals and crowds of people is nothing alike.

You contribute absolutely nothing to this thread and should be banned from posting in here. You are a perfect example of why the CE board was shut down and what Richie did not want happening in this thread.

They are alike in the sense that they both create predictable criticisms that needlessly divide people. They should both have worn masks in those situations to avoid doing so.

 

[RobertG]

Seriously guys the Fauci stuff is stupid. This has got to stop. When did people stop using conman sense?

You wear a mask so that if you have the disease you limit the amount of spit you blow out of your mouth and lands on people and things around you You wear a mask so if some other dumb bastard forgets to wear their mask you can stop some of the crap blown out of his mouth from landing in yours. It's not hard to understand. If a person is not near anybody and outside you don't need to wear a mask. Let's stop being stupid.

 

[Greg2020]

I think most would agree testing was an issue. People will certainly disagree about who is to blame with that, but at this point I don't think anyone's mind is changed on placing that blame by further discussing it.

The point is, the notion that "right wing" or "conservative" people won't wear masks and are the root of the current problem is not really supported by data, is an over simplification, and ignores many factors. It appears that you recognize this. While people may disagree about the scope and size of the problem, the one thing that is clear is that we are collectively in this with our neighbors, whether they are young, old, political, or agnostic. Moreover, unlike many other countries, the U.S. has about the farthest thing from a homogeneous population as you can get. I would guess that is not the case in any of these countries used for comparison. Those population differences are beneficial in many ways, but having a group that just goes with the official flow, no matter who is calling the shots, is not one of them. The sooner we accept this reality instead of playing a political blame game ("things are bad because those people that support the other political party are just so stupid") the better off we will all be.

Public polling says far less conservatives wear masks than liberals

 

[RU85inFla]

Where’s the water bottle ? Are you sure Dr. Fauci?

The water bottle is in the picture. Sucks getting old!

 

[ArminRU]

Ahhhhhhh, what a cry baby. I've had plenty of solid convos with left and right posters, not always with the left in challenging a comment or opinion granted, but too bad. Sorry I don't toe the CNN line to your liking. Try #Ignore loser.

Don’t know what reality you’re living in, but every conversation you have is argumentative and troll baiting. You’re one of the main reasons this thread goes on for pages about misinformation or making fun of an 80 year old man not throwing a strike. There is a problem, hopefully it can be fixed.

 

[Greg2020]

Ahhhhhhh, what a cry baby. I've had plenty of solid convos with left and right posters, not always with the left in challenging a comment or opinion granted, but too bad. Sorry I don't toe the CNN line to your liking. Try #Ignore loser.

You have no solid convos with anyone you just troll.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Don’t know what reality you’re living in, but every conversation you have is argumentative and troll baiting. You’re one of the main reasons this thread goes on for pages about misinformation or making fun of an 80 year old man not throwing a strike. There is a problem, hopefully it can be fixed.

^^^^B.S. (and I'm not the only guy chuckling about his throw).

misinformation = you don't agree with the post, got it

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

You have no solid convos with anyone you just troll.

^^^^^^No better example of irony right here "Greg"...espaecially considering how may times you've been banned for trolling. LOLOLOLOL

 

[RU848789]

Back to some science. Thought this was pretty interesting: in the southern hemisphere, influenza cases are way, way down (down 65% in Argentina to 85% in Australia to 95% in Chile), presumably due to the distancing/mask-wearing efforts in most of these countries (as well as international travel bans). The coronavirus is a fair amount more infectious than the flu, so while many countries still see some COVID cases, even with strong distancing/masking, those efforts have really put a dent in flu transmission. Would be interesting to see an assessment of the transmission reduction for each, as a comparison, but the article didn't have that. Would be nice to have way below normal flu numbers this fall/winter in the US.

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...o-lower-influenza-numbers-across-the-southern

 

[Wolv RU]

Public polling says far less conservatives wear masks than liberals

And yet, many state health departments regardless of party in control are reporting that young adults are driving a large and disproportionate share of the covid spread. If young conservatives are such a driving force in the U.S., that would be surprising.

I'd suggest the answer isn't as simple as placing political blame, even if that may be convenient for an election.

 

[Greg2020]

And yet, many state health departments regardless of party in control are reporting that young adults are driving a large and disproportionate share of the covid spread. If young conservatives are such a driving force in the U.S., that would be surprising.

I'd suggest the answer isn't as simple as placing political blame, even if that may be convenient for an election.

You said there is no data on it, but there is public polling on it. It's as simple as that.