One need not change everything about oneself to adapt to a crisis. I think we can and are learning from countries like SK who have handled this very well so far.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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This is clearly a non serious post correct?
No country is exactly alike another country, but some countries are handling this much better then others.
There are 377 hospitalized Covid cases in NJs "north" zone per the state, a number that has been relatively unchanged for two months. Despite the large single day postivie test number, our seven day moving average remains under 300/day. Let's not get too excited that things are about to go downhill in NJ, because there's no evidence for it.... yet.
Where I'm at people are generally very good. I think you are right that social distancing has been reduced, and some people do cheat with their masks, but all in all I'm seeing people doing a very good job.
And if we see #'s start to increase I think people will tighten up.
Edit: Although I have heard some stories about outdoor bars being pretty crowded with unmasked people, and we do have to see what happens with schools, but I still think our overall grade is high right now.
Well when people congregate together for whatever reason even when wearing a mask there is bound to be an increase in infections. Seeing many people not wearing masks in groups. Not distancing and in many cases these include ages 20’s through 60’s ..Very bad since they infect others at a high risk . This afternoon we rode past what has become the weekly Saturday Woodbridge Township protest in front of town hall and the WPD . From what I know most are from out of town and are directed by the longtime activist from Elizabeth NJ. If you don’t know him look it up. So far they have been peaceful but I’m sure it is based upon an incident from early June and their demand to “ defund the Woodbridge PD “ while also removing the painted Blue Line on the main drag . Oh and the flag honoring the police past and present. Just a normal cancel culture day in what has been a very safe town of 105k ... that’s how spread occurs. All groups together pose that risk to the rest of society.
I agree those gatherings sound like likely transmissions points but gatherings like that stick out like a sore thumb right now.
For the most part people are wearing masks, they are not getting into large groups, and even when they do get into groups it is outdoors.
You obviously feel deeply about this one-off slip-up by Fauci with his wife and best friend. I can only imagine the anger you must have for our President for not wearing a mask in public day after day after day. Tell us more about that.
I’m not saying they were or won’t but I will say we get almost daily updates since March... we have been averaging about 12 cases per week for 5 weeks ... a couple of role over deaths and pretty damn good Covid stats ... this is how we get “ hot pockets” . Carelessness and the attitude it won’t be me along with a total disregard for everyone else pretty much will bring about a spike.
I've discussed many significant factors, as have other posters, that made the US the perfect storm for this global pandemic including country size, population demographics and dispersion, international travel volumes (esp. in Dec-Jan), government structure, pandemic history and more. Let's just look at the climate variations across this country vs any other comparable democracy that could explain the rolling spread of this pandemic and a reason the sunbelt is experiencing the recent surge. What other western democratic country has this diverse climate characteristic alone?
It doesn't matter what I think Trump did or didn't do. It's what Fauci did. What I spin you are doing. You must be dizzy, I tell ya. LOLOLOLOL And tell that 16 yo pregnant girl who's boyfriend decided on the one off slip up.
I fear that you are absolutely correct. The implications are just too depressing to accept.
People forget that In South Korea citizens were arrested trying to leave their homes during quarantine.
People sit on this board and say they want better results with the US, blame POTUS for covid-19 #’s, but don’t tell them what they have to do to get those results because they have rights
Why haven’t we considered that Fauci is hoping to get hit with the virus so he can get a break from America’s most dysfunctional workplace?
South Koreans, Italians, Spaniards, they all have rights too. We're not really that special in that regard. We are special in that we have a very strong distaste for authority and tend to be very provincial and selfish while having said freedoms.
Reported.
Overtly political.
Probably endocarditis which is dangerous but treatable with meds...the way COVID19 causes inflammation still baffles the medical community but in time we will learn more for sure .We are already using steroids, anti coagulants and anti inflammatory meds and much of these have helped patients get better.
I was tempted but I ‘m trying to be an adult lately on posts . I know I would not have been given that pass and neither would have you. Trying to be civil but not giving up the right to express an opposing or conflicting opinion.
The rules of this thread are for everyone. Report as you see fit. Remember, no animals are more equal than others!
That’s a bit of a stretch but when you hate something as much you appear to do it’s easy to understand . Keep the hate it gets better and better.
You've defined a very narrow set of criteria there... one that you know can't be attained. The whole EU would compare reasonably well in terms of size, geographic and climate diversity, different levels of intervention (state vs EU country level), but you dismissed that because you didn't like it.
You really need help.
Agreed, you should gather everyone up who also agrees and leave this thread. That way there will be no arguing and it can be just numbers posting his well researched/ sourced information.
I genuinely feel bad for you numbers. You provide some excellent information for everyone ITT and they repay you by posting nonstop nonsense.
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And the current corona death numbers are questionable:
Reported. Outrageously misleading. So, your "this is nothing but the flu" argument crashed and burned, so now you're going to try to diminish COVID by comparing it to the worst pandemic in history, which killed 50MM worldwide and 650K in the US? That's beyond ridiculous and you know it. This could be your dumbest stunt ever. And the worst part is that given how badly this country has handled the pandemic and given the IFR of 0.5-1.0% and 55-80% infected, eventually, 650K is actually below the range of potential US deaths (900K-2.6MM) if the likely cures/vaccines don't pan out for another year.
Thanks, although the nice, positive feedback I get from folks like you and many others far outweighs the trivialities of the blindly partisan and/or anti-science folks who post such nonsense. The truly fascinating thing from a human nature perspective is I get very little of this crap on two other boards or on Facebook, even from my conservative friends - we might spar a bit, but it's civil and more than a few of them have changed their minds on a few things (like masks) based on our discussions.
There’s the cancel culture attitude again give it a rest. There is no right nor wrong . The info is great but people have a right to be skeptičal or agree or have an opposing free thought regarding the virus. As soon as someone doesn’t agree with a posted media report or scientific data they’re labeled as ignorant, uneducated , moronic or a new one, right wing nut job.
Cancel culture?Lol What...I think everyone has the right to their own opinion, but if you can't stump up sourced/ researched information then what are you doing, just perpetuating what the talking heads say.
Let's keep this to climate. Do you really think climate has anything to do with this virus? It doesn't appear to, thus far, and let's hope that continues, since I'd hate to think what we're seeing now is a summer lull and that we're going to see much worse in the fall/winter, like we do with influenza. We saw the worst outbreaks in the first wave in NY/NJ and parts of Europe in the cool/cold late winter (and New Orleans which was pretty mild) and now we're seeing the worst outbreaks in the heat/humidity of mid-summer in the south/SW.
As per the linked study, many experts think that climate is far less important than the fact that this is novel virus, which will likely be transmitted easily (given its R0) in most conditions if people are in reasonably close contact without taking any countermeasures, like masking/distancing. Link/excerpt below.
"The main punchline of our paper is that at this early stage of the pandemic, lack of population immunity...dominates any climate effect," said Rachel Baker, an epidemiologist at Princeton University and the lead author of the study.
https://environment.princeton.edu/news/local-climate-unlikely-to-drive-the-early-covid-19-pandemic/
I sort of feel like Numbers and maybe a few others like UMRU should be the only ones that can post in here. I’d like to be able to post as well, but if it meant the trolls wouldn’t keep messing up this thread, would be worth it.
My only response to this is...pass me the bong...
Below is the Worldometers detailed graphic of US deaths, with today's total of 1142 being close to yesterday's 1150 and giving us our highest 4-day total since late May. Below that are the COVID Tracking charts of US tests, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, all on 7-day moving averages. Covered AZ in detail and FL/TX/CA a bit in an earlier post. We also eclipsed our record in cases at over 78K - hard to tell if that's a trend or a blip, though...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
https://covidtracking.com/data#chart-annotations
Below is the Worldometers detailed graphic of US deaths, with today's total of 908 being a bit below the last 4 days, which were all above 1000, although it is the weekend and most weekends see a dip. Below that are the COVID Tracking charts of US tests, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, all on 7-day moving averages. It also looks like yesterday's record of 78K cases was likely a bit of a blip, as we were back down to 68K, which is right around our 7-day moving average.
One noteworthy observation was that Arizona just missed its record high in deaths (144 vs. 147), so it's possible they're still going up - last night I had speculated they might be starting to peak, but that we needed to wait a few days to confirm, so we need to wait a few more days.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
https://covidtracking.com/data#chart-annotations
Well, the four or five people who are 90% responsible for closing down the CE Board are doing their best to close this one down.
I noticed he doesn’t post much on the secret CE board but he still on this board, probably doesn’t get paid for the other board.
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