COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Or don't own your error, I don't really care, but you were completely wrong on Denmark, which was the only point of the exchange. Looks like some posts were deleted - I'm not able to do that - only mods can. If I deleted something, the post would still be there with some text. This will be my last response on this, since this is the kind of useless arguing that pisses most posters off.

Except I did address that, and go ahead if you want and throw a flag for a 5yd offside penalty based on my assumptions from the article presentation.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And no, if you delete your own post that post is gone--except if it is linked through an exchange of replies. #weaselmove

Now, your turn to explain why case fatality rates are meaningless or "dumb" (as you put it in another post) to be considered in judging a state's response. If a hospital had a high case death rate compared to peers that management team would be in trouble, as should individual states that have the worst performance records in caring for their chicomvirus sick.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Richie - I don't envy the job of baby sitting grown men.

But this really is not complicated. Read this thread in the days before the CE Board was taken down and then read it the past month or so.

It is clear as can be that the difference are the former CE Board regulars who have no interest in having a discussion about the virus but prefer to use the virus as a means to further their political agenda and bicker with each other like children.

There are about six of them (on both sides) that you simply need to block from participating in this thread. If you like, include me. This thread is way too important to close down.

The OP is certainly one those constantly injecting his politics into the thread.

 

[RUhasarrived]

My push is for quercetin.It takes politics and money out of the arena.

 

[wheezer]

My push is for quercetin.It takes politics and money out of the arena.

I have been taking quercetin, zinc, vitamin D as the basic defense
Vitamin C, and Acetyl-cystine also

 

[WhiteBus]

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Too funny. Saying just masks makes are the difference. I have a bridge to sell? Interested??

 

[Wolv RU]

Good to see Arizona deaths fall off a cliff. Great news!

It is interesting to consider the various reasons why this is (so far happening). Their hospitalizations are down a lot as of now. It is still early though in this decrease, though, so will still need to see what happens in the next few weeks.

 

[fsg2]

Just ignore fsg2. He contributes nothing but criticizing one's opinion or calls them names.

Lol. As opposed to your strong history of trolling, conspiracies, false information and general stupidity.

 

[bac2therac]

Some tidbits from around the world from the Times (scroll to the bottom of the link for their global roundup)...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/..._BANNER&context=storylines_menu#link-5e8a1d38

• Vietnam, which on Saturday broke a streak of 100 days without a local virus transmission, will evacuate 80,000 people from the central city of Danang after four residents there tested positive this weekend.
• Hong Kong will prohibit dining in restaurants, limit public gatherings to two people and require mask-wearing in public at all times, officials said on Monday, reacting to a spike in coronavirus cases. The territory reported 145 cases on Monday, its highest single-day count since the pandemic began.
• Belgium’s prime minister reinstated strict social-distancing rules on Monday, saying she was taking aggressive steps to avoid another lockdown. She ordered Belgians not to socialize with more than five people and restricted all shopping visits to 30 minutes. Such measures were in place this spring, as Belgium was just emerging from a strict lockdown. Belgium’s infection numbers remain small but are increasing quickly, particularly in the second-largest city, Antwerp.
• Lebanon on Monday ordered bars, houses of worship, cinemas, sporting events and markets to close for two weeks as part of a lockdown after a surge in infections, Reuters reported, citing state media accounts. Some shops, banks and schools will be allowed to open, but only for two days a week.
• The virus has been surging across Zambia, with the government announcing a record number of cases. Last week, the authorities also said that 15 lawmakers and 11 members of staff had tested positive.

I'll add a few comments to this. First, I'm surprised at what they're going to do in Vietnam - not sure moving people is the best solution, as they've been very good with mask wearing. Second, Japan's recent outbreak peaked at close to 1000 cases/day, but now appears to be coming back down (around 600 cases/day) - but still well above the <100 cases/day they had from mid-May to the end of June - cases are mostly in younger people with many from their "hostess clubs."

Finally, Africa is an interesting case: if you look at Worldometers, every country has under 50 deaths/1MM, except South Africa with about 115 deaths/1MM, and even 115 is well below many countries in Europe and North/South America. But the BBC report below says that SA's excess deaths are much higher, so it could be a reporting issue and they've also noted that cases are starting to rise quickly in many African countries - and reporting probably isn't the most accurate, especially in many of the poorer countries.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53181555

So why are these places spiking. I thought everyone was wearing masks in Hong Kong and elsewhere

 

[LETSGORU91]

Intentionally misleading or ignorance, knowing that only some of the patients are there for CV

You arent getting how this progresses in the hospitals. As ICUs are filling, new and creative ways are being designed to create new ICU beds within the facility. These beds get filled..They create more beds..those get filled. Some hospitals in NJ has quadrupled and quintupled their ICU beds and they were mostly filled with Covid patients. The fact Florida has many ICUs filled to max capacity is not good news. And if it's anything like us up north, people are trying to avoid hospitals (think heart attacks and other serious conditions which require hospitalization) and are not seeking the medical attention they need. My best guess is a really good percentage of these ICU beds in Florida (and the expanded ICU beds) are filled with Covid patients.

Except I did address that, and go ahead if you want and throw a flag for a 5yd offside penalty based on my assumptions from the article presentation.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And no, if you delete your own post that post is gone--except if it is linked through an exchange of replies. #weaselmove

Now, your turn to explain why case fatality rates are meaningless or "dumb" (as you put it in another post) to be considered in judging a state's response. If a hospital had a high case death rate compared to peers that management team would be in trouble, as should individual states that have the worst performance records in caring for their chicomvirus sick.

You two need to bury this hatchet. It's worse than hearing cackling yentas talking about their daily routines.

 

[RU848789]

Except I did address that, and go ahead if you want and throw a flag for a 5yd offside penalty based on my assumptions from the article presentation.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And no, if you delete your own post that post is gone--except if it is linked through an exchange of replies. #weaselmove

Now, your turn to explain why case fatality rates are meaningless or "dumb" (as you put it in another post) to be considered in judging a state's response. If a hospital had a high case death rate compared to peers that management team would be in trouble, as should individual states that have the worst performance records in caring for their chicomvirus sick.

Never knew posts were delete-able - pretty sure in the old days they weren't so I never even noticed the "delete" button on my own posts - even last night, I made a post in the wrong thread and edited it to say "wrong thread" not knowing I could delete it. I've never deleted a post before and have no intention of deleting any (except now I will for posts in the wrong thread). If you have a problem with mods deleting posts, complain to them, because I guarantee you I didn't delete any.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Waste of time, resources and money while real treatments could have been tested. Impossible to calculate the damage this has done, but it certainly set treatment back weeks, likely months.

Sorry, but that is Blather

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Passionate, but very likely not very knowledgeable about clinical trials or evidence based medicine. She says she treats people in her office/clinic, which are much less likely to be very sick, plus she refuses to share any information about her patients, which is never a good sign. Also, going to the far right media and Twitter are not the usual paths for medical science. If she thinks she has the "cure" she should know that she needs to publish this work, so her medical peers can review it and if it holds up, follow it (she's also using steroids in many cases, which were just shown to significantly reduce mortality).

And she rants and raves a lot, even on her Twitter, which is not a good look. And my guess is that if she published anything it might resemble the awful Zelenko "paper," touting the HCQ/Az/Zn combo in his "study," which was not randomized or controlled in any way (no data on those not taking the combo at all - nothing on demographics, severity of illness, progression of illness - nothing) - no reputable journal will publish his paper without any information on his "control" population.

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Doctors holding a presser is not far right media.

They are sharing their experiences, they saved lives.

We should all listen to this guy who hasn't treated a patient in how long?

 

[RUevolution36]

Doctors holding a presser is not far right media.

They are sharing their experiences, they saved lives.

We should all listen to this guy who hasn't treated a patient in how long?

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Except that it was a media stunt pulled by breitbart. Try again.

 

[ArminRU]

Sorry, but that is Blather

Isn’t UMRU a doctor?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Isn’t UMRU a doctor?

So are the doctors in the video

 

[King of S]

It is interesting to consider the various reasons why this is (so far happening). Their hospitalizations are down a lot as of now. It is still early though in this decrease, though, so will still need to see what happens in the next few weeks.

Why the big drop in Arizona?

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

So why are these places spiking. I thought everyone was wearing masks in Hong Kong and elsewhere

You keep confusing masks with force fields. Seriously though, this is a low hanging fruit issue, like I’ve said earlier when commenting on your posts, this is a seat belt for this crisis. I don’t get your constant anti-mask posts. Helpful thought below from an infectious disease specialist in San Fran:

“The concept is risk reduction rather than absolute prevention,” said Chin-Hong. “You don’t throw up your hands if you think a mask is not 100 percent effective. That’s silly. Nobody’s taking a cholesterol medicine because they’re going to prevent a heart attack 100 percent of the time, but you’re reducing your risk substantially.”

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Why the big drop in Arizona?

Maybe millennials got the message to be smarter and hit the brakes on the big party time social scene? (not that I would have done so in my heydayz 0__0)

 

[RUhasarrived]

The important numbers from yesterday:112 patients in ICU and 50 on ventilators.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

When are doctors and politicians going to call out the large nightly gatherings in Portland? A few thousand crammed into a few blocks can't be good to Stop The Spread

Been waiting for months, when?

 

[fsg2]

When are doctors and politicians going to call out the large nightly gatherings in Portland? A few thousand crammed into a few blocks can't be good to Stop The Spread

Been waiting for months, when?

Those folks really bugging you that much from clean across the US of A?

 

[bac2therac]

You keep confusing masks with force fields. Seriously though, this is a low hanging fruit issue, like I’ve said earlier when commenting on your posts, this is a seat belt for this crisis. I don’t get your constant anti-mask posts. Helpful thought below from an infectious disease specialist in San Fran:

“The concept is risk reduction rather than absolute prevention,” said Chin-Hong. “You don’t throw up your hands if you think a mask is not 100 percent effective. That’s silly. Nobody’s taking a cholesterol medicine because they’re going to prevent a heart attack 100 percent of the time, but you’re reducing your risk substantially.”

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

I wear my mask. However i wont be a sheep and not ask questions that should be asked when i see things that dont add up

 

[Greg2020]

@RUBOB72 104 deaths in Arizona today.

 

[Ronnie_B]

I wear my mask. However i wont be a sheep and not ask questions that should be asked when i see things that dont add up

I always wear my mask just as a courtesy to others and be a team player, but I refuse to be a sheep by asking no questions or challenging anyone, that's what many want to see.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Never knew posts were delete-able - pretty sure in the old days they weren't so I never even noticed the "delete" button on my own posts - even last night, I made a post in the wrong thread and edited it to say "wrong thread" not knowing I could delete it. I've never deleted a post before and have no intention of deleting any (except now I will for posts in the wrong thread). If you have a problem with mods deleting posts, complain to them, because I guarantee you I didn't delete any.

And what about the state *case death/fatality rates?

*to be clear: not the per capita rates

 

[fsg2]

What a dumb take, so for everyone who is upset over no one wearing masks and the spike hikes in other states, does this take by you apply to them as well?

You know what's great about you? You constantly whine when anyone attacks you but are super-quick to throw out insulting posts of your own.

It wasn't a take; it was a question. Learn the difference.

 

[fsg2]

I wear my mask. However i wont be a sheep and not ask questions that should be asked when i see things that dont add up

A sheep with different color wool is still a sheep.

 

[knightfan2000]

New Jersey is not headed in the right direction. Downgraded from green to yellow by "Covid Exit Strategy." Lots of new cases traced to house parties where people did not adhere to distancing/masking guidelines - 52 cases in Middletown alone plus another 20+ on LBI. Would imagine the 700+ party over the weekend may also lead to more cases. People just being dumb and ruining it for the rest of us who have been trying to do our part.

"New Jersey reported 565 new cases of Covid-19 on Tuesday, its highest daily total since early June, a clear indication the state is far from being “out of the woods." Rate of transmission creeping up - is now 1.14 after being below 1 for a week or more. Let's hope this trend reverses or we will be in for even more economic pain, no sports for the foreseeable future, and school re-opening threatened.

 

[Ronnie_B]

You know what's great about you? You constantly whine when anyone attacks you but are super-quick to throw out insulting posts of your own.

It wasn't a take; it was a question. Learn the difference.

No, a "take" applies as well, it's flexible, and you throw out insults with the best of them, I tip my hat to you as well!

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

I wear my mask. However i wont be a sheep and not ask questions that should be asked when i see things that dont add up

You’re not asking constructive questions though. You’re holding them to an unrealistic standard of perfection, and then using that to paint them as inadequate.

I could point to a fatal car accident and say “seat belts are worthless, and they shouldn’t be required by law,” but that conclusion would be profoundly off-mark, and scrapping seat belt laws would have enormous costs both in $ and lives.

 

[RUBOB72]

New Jersey is not headed in the right direction. Downgraded from green to yellow by "Covid Exit Strategy." Lots of new cases traced to house parties where people did not adhere to distancing/masking guidelines - 52 cases in Middletown alone plus another 20+ on LBI. Would imagine the 700+ party over the weekend may also lead to more cases. People just being dumb and ruining it for the rest of us who have been trying to do our part.

"New Jersey reported 565 new cases of Covid-19 on Tuesday, its highest daily total since early June, a clear indication the state is far from being “out of the woods." Rate of transmission creeping up - is now 1.14 after being below 1 for a week or more. Let's hope this trend reverses or we will be in for even more economic pain, no sports for the foreseeable future, and school re-opening threatened.

Did we not see this coming after the beach and boardwalk scenes ... parties now for several weeks ... the lifeguard fiasco...most infections could be attributed too our younger “ I ‘m invincible crowd”... as long as gyms are closed we should be ok going forward.

 

[RU848789]

So, back to vaccines - today both Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech announced that phase 3 testing of their mRNA-based vaccines is starting today, joining Oxford/Astra Zeneca, who started their phase III trial with their chimp adenovirus (with pieces of the SARS-CoV-2 proteins spliced in) a couple of weeks ago. Good to see more progress being made. And now we wait (and see what other vaccines make it to phase III).

https://investors.modernatx.com/new...phase-3-cove-study-mrna-vaccine-against-covid

https://biontechse.gcs-web.com/news...ch-choose-lead-mrna-vaccine-candidate-against

Missed a big detail last night in the Pfizer/BioNTech announcement. They're actually going forward into Phase II/III trials with the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine candidate, not the BNT162b1 mRNA vaccine candidate, which had been the focus of all the press and papers to date. The differences are in what parts of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and other proteins are encoded into the chimp adenovirus vector. Derek Lowe explains it nicely in today's In the Pipeline, below. Sorry for missing that last night. I don't think it really makes a huge difference, since both, supposedly had similar responses in humans, with the b2 version having a slightly better T-cell response and lower levels of side effects. Hopefully, they've made the right choice.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeli.../pfizer-and-biontech-pick-a-vaccine-candidate

It comes down to the antigen(s) being coded for. The b1 candidate, the one we’ve been hearing about, codes for the coronavirus Spike protein’s receptor-binding domain (RBD), and this was constructed as a trimer, three RBDs attached to a “foldon” protein core. Meanwhile, the b2 candidate codes for what they say is an “optimized full-length Spike” protein instead, not just the receptor-binding domain. Pfizer’s press release says that both the b1 and b2 candidates “induced favorable viral antigen specific CD4+ and CD8+T cell responses, high levels of neutralizing antibody in various animal species, and beneficial protective effects in a primate SARS-CoV-2 challenge model“. But they made the choice for the b2 variety partly because it seemed to be better tolerated on injection, and also because it led to a wider variety of T-cell responses. These include both CD4+ and CD8+ T-cells, and these were raised not only to recognize the RBD region, but also other regions of the Spike protein that weren’t contained at all in the b1 candidate. And they’re quite right – that could well be beneficial, and the better tolerability is a bonus. The release says that the neutralizing antibody response was similar between the two candidates.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Did u cum your pants over that young Ivanhoe?

Unnecessary to post that kind of crap here.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Did we not see this coming after the beach and boardwalk scenes ... parties now for several weeks ... the lifeguard fiasco...most infections could be attributed too our younger “ I ‘m invincible crowd”... as long as gyms are closed we should be ok going forward.

it's hard to resist at that age-might need serious curfew action around the country

 

[bac2therac]

New Jersey is not headed in the right direction. Downgraded from green to yellow by "Covid Exit Strategy." Lots of new cases traced to house parties where people did not adhere to distancing/masking guidelines - 52 cases in Middletown alone plus another 20+ on LBI. Would imagine the 700+ party over the weekend may also lead to more cases. People just being dumb and ruining it for the rest of us who have been trying to do our part.

"New Jersey reported 565 new cases of Covid-19 on Tuesday, its highest daily total since early June, a clear indication the state is far from being “out of the woods." Rate of transmission creeping up - is now 1.14 after being below 1 for a week or more. Let's hope this trend reverses or we will be in for even more economic pain, no sports for the foreseeable future, and school re-opening threatened.

As long as gyms are closed we shall be alright

 

[RUBOB72]

Unnecessary to post that kind of crap here.

Maybe and maybe not ... you need to know the total history... and what I said back to Greg2020 or should I say ( young Ivanhoe) was somewhat appropriate... on the surface Greg2020 wants people to wear masks, adhere to directives and ALWAYS be right... sounds like a lawyer or young naive lawyer... We have seen and read much worse on the boards overtime.

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

Doctors holding a presser is not far right media.

They are sharing their experiences, they saved lives.

We should all listen to this guy who hasn't treated a patient in how long?

So, lots of information coming out today about Stella Immanuel. Personally I prefer to get my information from doctors that don't think cysts and some other medical issues that women have come from having sex with a demon in a dream. Or that God/Jesus is going to destroy Facebook's servers.

 

[RUBOB72]

Oh just a side note ....in my life I have been involved with over 200 legal cases both at state and federal levels ... and they run the gamut of everything due to crimes ... not a lawyer but I could enlighten the young man.

 

[knightfan2000]

Further on the Pfizer choice of vaccines, there was also a mention in Scrip today that the BNT162b2 version showed signs of a greater effect in subjects aged 65-85 than the BNT162b1 version and that was another factor in choosing it over the other.

 

[RU848789]

New Jersey is not headed in the right direction. Downgraded from green to yellow by "Covid Exit Strategy." Lots of new cases traced to house parties where people did not adhere to distancing/masking guidelines - 52 cases in Middletown alone plus another 20+ on LBI. Would imagine the 700+ party over the weekend may also lead to more cases. People just being dumb and ruining it for the rest of us who have been trying to do our part.

"New Jersey reported 565 new cases of Covid-19 on Tuesday, its highest daily total since early June, a clear indication the state is far from being “out of the woods." Rate of transmission creeping up - is now 1.14 after being below 1 for a week or more. Let's hope this trend reverses or we will be in for even more economic pain, no sports for the foreseeable future, and school re-opening threatened.

Yep, more proof that we simply have a lot of young people who just don't care about possibly infecting their friends, family, coworkers, etc. My son and his girlfriend who are in their early 20s (and living with us and are quite careful) just shake their heads at this kind of behavior. Even though we likely have 10-20% who have been infected in NJ (with the higher numbers near NYC and the lower numbers in the suburbs/rural areas), as some small antibody studies have been done, there's still a long way to go to reach 55-80% infected, assuming that's where this will ultimately go (still some questions on that due to cross-reactivity). Would be far better if we could keep cases down where they've been for a few more months until we have much better treatments and maybe even a vaccine by the end of the year.