OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

[yesrutgers01]

Didn't get to watch the game but not going to bash the lineup or offense as it certainly scored enough for a SP that was just owning the other team. This game was perfectly set for a 2-1 or 4-2 type win.
Matz at 79 pitches and you have him bat to just pull him, makes no sense. And don't want to hear that running the bases winded him. This is a highly trained athlete, running a couple of 90 ft sprints are not going to shut you down.
Lugo- shit happens...and if he comes in in the middle of the 7th because Matz gave up a couple of baserunners or you bring him in the 8th or 9th and he gets hit, then it is not on the manager. Keeping him in and watching the game get away was also a punk move. I know we have almost no one else but pull Lugo on a night like this so you have him tomorrow.
Just dumb management and we cannot afford it with McNeil out.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Matz had thrown three atom balls in the prior inning. Then ran the bases hard. I can't second guess Mickey going with his best reliever for the needed shutdown inning. It just didn't work out. Sh!t happens.

Agree 100%. If Matz goes out there and gives up the lead, the same people calling out Mickey for taking him out would be crying about 3rd time around the lineup was a given he'd be lit up.

 

[Knight Shift]

You're the one who said to give Tejada a chance and kept my post alive. Dude sucks...Simple as hell......the whole baseball universe knows it......except you.....Conforto, Ramos and Frazier are proven MLB hitters just not tonight....nice deflection however....:)

You love tilting at windmills. The loss tonight was on Conforto, Frazier and Alonso for not producing. Plenty of chances to put up runs. 10 LOB tonight

 

[T2Kplus10]

Calloway is on heroin.......said he took Matz out because Lugo is the best reliever in the world...you can't make this up......

I heard that quote from Calloway on WFAN last night, the guy is delusional.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Agree 100%. If Matz goes out there and gives up the lead, the same people calling out Mickey for taking him out would be crying about 3rd time around the lineup was a given he'd be lit up.

79 pitches. 1 run. A bunch of hitters retired in a row. It was a dumb move. The fact that there are fans who might complain about any decision doesn’t make it any smarter.

 

[Doctor Worm]

FWIW, Ron Darling agreed with the decision to pull Matz for Lugo.

 

[FrankZ]

Agree 100%. If Matz goes out there and gives up the lead, the same people calling out Mickey for taking him out would be crying about 3rd time around the lineup was a given he'd be lit up.

Nah. Can’t stand this bullpen. At all.

 

[Doctor Worm]

In other news, Matt Harvey was signed to a minor league contract by Oakland. Sandy Alderson may have been an influencer.

 

[Knight Shift]

In other news, Matt Harvey was signed to a minor league contract by Oakland. Sandy Alderson may have been an influencer.

I'll keep my Matt Harvey bobblehead in the down position, lying right next to my Kyle Flood bobblehead, in case one returns to the Mets and the other returns to Rutgers. :Laughing

 

[BigEastPhil]

FWIW, Ron Darling agreed with the decision to pull Matz for Lugo.

Maybe you should have listened to Todd zeile last night on the post game or the sny panel after the game or wfan this morning to gage how the majority of fans felt about the decision to take matz out. Or better yet go onto Twitter now. It was a dumb move. And to make matters worse, lugo did not have enough time to warm up, jd Davis who is only the hottest hitter in baseball was pulled and he had no one in the bullpen warming up timely when lugo was getting hit. Calloway Made a terrible decision which is typical unfortunately who is over his head and he completely went away from the strategy that got the Mets back into this race by having his starters go deep into games.

 

[Knight Shift]

Maybe you should have listened to Todd zeile last night on the post game or the sny panel after the game or wfan this morning to gage how the majority of fans felt about the decision to take matz out. Or better yet go onto Twitter now. It was a dumb move. And to make matters worse, lugo did not have enough time to warm up, jd Davis who is only the hottest hitter in baseball was pulled and he had no one in the bullpen warming up timely when lugo was getting hit. Calloway Made a terrible decision which is typical unfortunately who is over his head and he completely went away from the strategy that got the Mets back into this race by having his starters go deep into games.

Oh, so Twitter is where managerial decisions should be made and vetted?
I'll take Ron Darling's analysis (a pitcher with many more years of experience) over Todd Zeile's.

CallAway.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

I know one thing; Mickey would have never demonstrated the savvy or the balls to remove his struggling closer in favor of 6th or 7th inning guy with the lead still intact as Snitker did before the last out. All because of a weakness he figure he could expose. Of course Blevins did the job for him. Where last year with the Mets he probably would have fallen behind 2-0 and then grooved one in there for a bases-clearing double.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Oh, so Twitter is where managerial decisions should be made and vetted?
I'll take Ron Darling's analysis (a pitcher with many more years of experience) over Todd Zeile's.

CallAway.

Thanks and

Oh, so Twitter is where managerial decisions should be made and vetted?
I'll take Ron Darling's analysis (a pitcher with many more years of experience) over Todd Zeile's.

CallAway.

And I’ll take my opinion and assessments any day over your opinions especially with one of the ROTFLMAO posts of the year in wanting to give Ruben Tejada a chance after 7 years of pathetic baseball from him. Instead of worrying about being an English teacher and providing spelling lessons , learn how to be open minded and objective and not an apologist for a manager who doesn’t warrant any respect and who will be canned on October 1.

 

[Knight Shift]

Thanks and

And I’ll take my opinion and assessments any day over your opinions especially with one of the ROTFLMAO posts of the year in wanting to give Ruben Tejada a chance after 7 years of pathetic baseball from him. Instead of worrying about being an English teacher and providing spelling lessons , learn how to be open minded and objective and not an apologist for a manager who doesn’t warrant any respect and who will be canned on October 1.

Listen, my unhinged fellow Mets fan. You went on some sort of lunatic rant on how last night's loss was somehow the fault of bringing up and starting Ruben Tejada. It was not. Now you want to paint some other narrative.
All that I said is that Tejada was not as bad as you made him out to sound. He is not a power hitter. On that we agree.

 

[cicero grimes]

Looking at it from the perspective of what got us back in the race, he needs to leave Matz in for the 7th. We were getting 7 from the starters during the streak and not asking the pen to overachieve. If he can finesse Matz through the 7th, give Lugo ample time to warm up maybe the game turns out different. Alas we will never know.

The Davis thing galls me because you need his offense. It was to early to remove him. I hate the short bench.

With that being said, we need to wash the grime of this defeat off quickly and get a win tonite. Losing 2 out of 3 to the Braves we can weather A sweep not so much.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Listen, my unhinged fellow Mets fan. You went on some sort of lunatic rant on how last night's loss was somehow the fault of bringing up and starting Ruben Tejada. It was not. Now you want to paint some other narrative.
All that I said is that Tejada was not as bad as you made him out to sound. He is not a power hitter. On that we agree.

No. Completely wrong. Never posted about Tejada having anything to do with last nights loss. Only said promoting him to mets makes an awful bench that much worse because he’s awful and all was posted prior to the game. You said give him a chance and he’s had 7 years of failed chances. I am all for giving guillome a chance however. Young blood and showing some pop as of late with the bat.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Will be interesting to see how team responds tonight. They’re a resilient bunch so I expect no hangover from last nights debacle. Just hope Stroman holds Braves in tact. This is a MUST win in my opinion to avoid a sweep and have momentum heading into KC which I expect to be a tough series.

 

[RU-05]

Oh, so Twitter is where managerial decisions should be made and vetted?
I'll take Ron Darling's analysis (a pitcher with many more years of experience) over Todd Zeile's.

CallAway.

Zeile was a catcher who actually had a longer career then Darlings, so he has credentials here too.

And I think Zeile's argument was better on both ends of the deal. I think pulling a starter who is rolling after 79 pitches is the wrong move. But also what was Callaway's plan in the 9th? Was he going to go to Diaz? Was he going to go 3 innings with Lugo? In the post game Callaway basically said he was going to play it by ear. Ie no plan. Darling wasn't looking that far ahead.

 

[Knight Shift]

No. Completely wrong. Never posted about Tejada having anything to do with last nights loss. Only said promoting him to mets makes an awful bench that much worse because he’s awful and all was posted prior to the game. You said give him a chance and he’s had 7 years of failed chances. I am all for giving guillome a chance however. Young blood and showing some pop as of late with the bat.

:Peace: :PeaceSign::Fist: :FistBump:

 

[RU-05]

Agree 100%. If Matz goes out there and gives up the lead, the same people calling out Mickey for taking him out would be crying about 3rd time around the lineup was a given he'd be lit up.

If Matz had come out for the 7th, and gave up 5 hits and a walk, while retiring one batter, then fans would have rightly gotten all over the manager, but most fans(there is always a few) would not be upset at pulling the starter with a pitch count of 79 and 6 innings of 2 hit ball.

Never mind that part of Callaway's reasoning is Matz just got a hit and scored the game tying run. Basically getting punished for getting the job done at the plate.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Didn't get to watch the game but not going to bash the lineup or offense as it certainly scored enough for a SP that was just owning the other team. This game was perfectly set for a 2-1 or 4-2 type win.

Actually the "lineup" outside of Rosario and Davis along with the pitcher Matz didn't do anything. Those 3 were solely responsible for the first 2 runs that scored. The 9th inning rally? That was all Rosario again sandwiched around the often maligned Lagares and bench players Guillorme and Panik. When it got back around to the "Heart" of the order (3,4, 5) was when the fun stopped. But that was par for the course for the night as while Rosie and Davis were a combined 6 for 9 on the night Alonso, Ramos and Conforto backed them up by going 1-12 with 5 strikeouts. Oh and not to forget that was followed up by Frazier going 0-4 in the 6th spot with 2 more k's.

 

[RU-05]

Will be interesting to see how team responds tonight. They’re a resilient bunch so I expect no hangover from last nights debacle. Just hope Stroman holds Braves in tact. This is a MUST win in my opinion to avoid a sweep and have momentum heading into KC which I expect to be a tough series.

They have proven pretty resilient, but I think no McNeil does sting in that regard.

But yes, huge game for Stroman, huge game for the Mets.

I assume no Lugo tonight.

 

[willisneverrana43]

They have proven pretty resilient . . . .

In what way? Because they haven't packed up and gone home? They've been a team that wins close to as much as it loses all year. That's because it has middling talent--some good, some great, some bad, some terrible--on a badly constructed roster. Being average or close to it doesn't make you resilient. You lose games then win games because, well, you're average or close to it, not due to some special resiliency sauce. I mean, up until a few days ago, they had gone 48 games without a win when trailing after 8 innings. Is that resilient? It's just a word that gets thrown around in these discussions, even by Callaway in coach speak, that has no real meaning or relevance.

 

[RU-05]

In what way? Because they haven't packed up and gone home? They've been a team that wins close to as much as it loses all year. That's because it has middling talent--some good, some great, some bad, some terrible--on a badly constructed roster. Being average or close to it doesn't make you resilient. You lose games then win games because, well, you're average or close to it, not due to some special resiliency sauce. I mean, up until a few days ago, they had gone 48 games without a win when trailing after 8 innings. Is that resilient? It's just a word that gets thrown around in these discussions, even by Callaway in coach speak, that has no real meaning or relevance.

They were completely written off for dead and they have fought their way back in playoff contention. Is that not a sign of resilience? Even last night, they took the lead in the 7th, and then they scored a couple in the 9th, they had men on base, they didn't just roll over at 6-2.

And look, people said it at the All-Star break, and it reared it's ugly head last night, but the bullpen has killed this team. The starters have been good, the hitters have been good, outside of a stretch from Lugo, the bullpen has been a disaster. They are not the only team that has had bullpen issues, but it has certainly been an issue.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

They were completely written off for dead and they have fought their way back in playoff contention. Is that not a sign of resilience? Even last night, they took the lead in the 7th, and then they scored a couple in the 9th, they had men on base, they didn't just roll over at 6-2.

And look, people said it at the All-Star break, and it reared it's ugly head last night, but the bullpen has killed this team. The starters have been good, the hitters have been good, outside of a stretch from Lugo, the bullpen has been a disaster. They are not the only team that has had bullpen issues, but it has certainly been an issue.

The hitters have been good at times. But certainly not good enough. At least not on a consistent basis when it counts. How else do you figure deGrom having only 7 wins with his era? On the other hand Fried who pitched game one for Atlanta has 14 wins with an era over 4. Consistent offense and run support, team speed and good clutch and situational hitting.

 

[RU-05]

The hitters have been good at times. But certainly not good enough. At least not on a consistent basis when it counts. How else do you figure deGrom having only 7 wins with his era? On the other hand Fried who pitched game one for Atlanta has 14 wins with an era over 4. Consistent offense and run support, team speed and good clutch and situational hitting.

Would have to look at a game by game basis, but the last game Degrom left after 5 and it was tied 3-3(3 unearned) and the bullpen came in and gave up 4 runs in 4 innings.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Atlanta's pen has been as bad at the Mets all year yet they're still 21-22 games over 500. As I was chatting with a friend on FB postgame who is a Braves fan as I was calling Mickey an idiot his lament was "our bullpen is trash."

 

[willisneverrana43]

They were completely written off for dead and they have fought their way back in playoff contention. Is that not a sign of resilience? Even last night, they took the lead in the 7th, and then they scored a couple in the 9th, they had men on base, they didn't just roll over at 6-2. . . . .

So you're entire basis for resilience is these last 3 weeks of the season (well, up until the now 3-game losing streak)? And they weren't resilient before then. If instead of some sort of latent but suddenly patent resilience it turns out that they just got hot, as teams do every year, over a three week period, and they return to the form they had for the first 102 games, will you withdraw your resilience label?

To add more context, before this hot streak, they had cold streaks. They lost 5 in a row. Another time they lost 7 in a row among losing 13 of 17. Streaks happen. But they always have tended toward a middling performing team, one that once again is near the .500 mark and threatening to go below it. That's a better description of the team. Resilient? That label makes no sense to me. Resilient teams don't lay down and die for 48 straight games behind after 8 innings.

 

[RU-05]

So you're entire basis for resilience is these last 3 weeks of the season (well, up until the now 3-game losing streak)? And they weren't resilient before then. If instead of some sort of latent but suddenly patent resilience it turns out that they just got hot, as teams do every year, over a three week period, and they return to the form they had for the first 102 games, will you withdraw your resilience label?

To add more context, before this hot streak, they had cold streaks. They lost 5 in a row. Another time they lost 7 in a row among losing 13 of 17. Streaks happen. But they always have tended toward a middling performing team, one that once again is near the .500 mark and threatening to go below it. That's a better description of the team. Resilient? That label makes no sense to me. Resilient teams don't lay down and die for 48 straight games behind after 8 innings.

But again, the bullpen, the Frazier 9th inning homerun vs Philly. Just a huge hit, what would have been a come from behind win, wasted by the bullpen.

People want to say this team is a bad team or not that good, or in this case not resillient, and overall, as a team, that may be true, but mostly because the bullpen is a ruptured achilles heel.

 

[RU-05]

Atlanta's pen has been as bad at the Mets all year yet they're still 21-22 games over 500. As I was chatting with a friend on FB postgame who is a Braves fan as I was calling Mickey an idiot his lament was "our bullpen is trash."

Atlanta's bullpen has a 4.39 ERA compared to the Met's 5.14. They have also pitched about 50 more innings then Met relievers. It has only been since the deadline or so that Atlanta's bullpen has been an issue.

Washington's bullpen has an era of 6.03.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Best hitter in mlb since June 4th .365

JD Davis batting 6th

:ThumbsDown

 

[Doctor Worm]

Alonso gets one wet. Bad in golf, good in baseball. Mets up 3-0 before a batter is retired.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Pete :Bomb:

 

[shields]

Let's get another run this inning.

 

[shields]

Yanks actually playing real team tonight, down 7-0.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Awful baserunning by Conforto on a soft line drive right in front of him.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Awful baserunning by Conforto on a soft line drive right in front of him.

Agreed. What a bonehead play. Was he asleep?

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Atlanta's pen has been as bad at the Mets all year yet they're still 21-22 games over 500. As I was chatting with a friend on FB postgame who is a Braves fan as I was calling Mickey an idiot his lament was "our bullpen is trash."

Atlanta's bullpen has a 4.39 ERA compared to the Met's 5.14. They have also pitched about 50 more innings then Met relievers. It has only been since the deadline or so that Atlanta's bullpen has been an issue.

Washington's bullpen has an era of 6.03.

Dude. Those numbers are skewed by the fact that they just brought in 3 guys who brought lower era numbers from the teams they were acquired from. The guys that they had been using before the trade were every bit as bad as the Mets relievers. Thus the reason for the trades.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Looks like we'll be needing the pen tonight.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

JD should’ve batted 8th :Laughing