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OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

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Let's not be disingenuous here. You guys hammered Darnaud non-stop when he was with the Mets and probably for the most part celebrated him being dumped. And now he's another one we let get away? Stop!
I never bad mouthed darnaud. I always liked him. He can hit. Always could. I bad mouth Mickey, lagares, Nido, Tejada and many bullpen arms because they’re not major league caliber.
 
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But Nimmo hasn't proved worthy of being an everyday guy either. Hits the occasional roundtripper but also whiffs a ton.
Stop it. I ll take nimmo any day over lagares as would 32 other gm s. Nimmo can hit and has pop and plays good defense and is a great teammate. Lagares living off his golden glove. from 5 years ago.
 
Unless you are this years Astros, Dodgers or Yankees you don't deserve to be in the playoffs if at this time in the season your staff can't hold a six run in the bottom of the ninth.
Silly comment. One game doesn't mean your deserving or not deserving. That being said, the Mets season in total shows that don't belong in playoffs.
 
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Stop it. I ll take nimmo any day over lagares as would 32 other gm s. Nimmo can hit and has pop and plays good defense and is a great teammate. Lagares living off his golden glove. from 5 years ago.
He's still a gold glove caliber CF. But I guess it's .254 career BA that has you sold. That's a whole percentage point higher than Lagares .253 btw. Granted Nimmo has far more consistent power but Lagares is a way better CF. If you value defense. I guess you're gonna say that Lagares is a bad teammate?
 
That's great he's still terrible with the bat and not nearly as good as Nimmo. One HR doesn't change that.
Okay. Keep making like Nimmo is the next Bellinger or Yelich in the making. The guy has a .254 career ba. With tons of strikeouts. I'm not saying that JL is the long term answer in CF. But Nimmo sure isn't either.
 
Okay. Keep making like Nimmo is the next Bellinger or Yelich in the making. The guy has a .254 career ba. With tons of strikeouts. I'm not saying that JL is the long term answer in CF. But Nimmo sure isn't either.

I'm sorry but using batting average as the be all end all for a hitter's worth is laughable in 2019.
 
I'm sorry but using batting average as the be all end all for a hitter's worth is laughable in 2019.
But i'm sure you aren't looking at the BA that Lgares had before some regular playing time allowed him to get into a groove when you go on and on. :Unhappy: So what are you looking at slick? I sure hope it's not K to walk ratio.
 
The problem starts with Mickey Moron. The Mets have other pitchers who could have closed out the 9th, but for reason Mickey Moron wants to rely on proven bums. One or two good outings doesn't erase a season worth of failures.

Its always easy to blame the manager, and no doubt it is sometimes deserved, but in the end he cab only play the cards he was dealt by someone else.
 
He's still a gold glove caliber CF. But I guess it's .254 career BA that has you sold. That's a whole percentage point higher than Lagares .253 btw. Granted Nimmo has far more consistent power but Lagares is a way better CF. If you value defense. I guess you're gonna say that Lagares is a bad teammate?
Lagares can’t hit. He’s a rally killer. He’s also past his prime whereby nimmo is coming into his prime. To the life of me, the Mets could not give away lagares if they tried. I’m sure he’s a terrific teammate but he’s a 5th outfielder who I want no part of because he can’t hit. It’s a new era now where you have to hit. It’s not the 70s where guys like lagares could flourish. Ask yourself this if you were a gm: Would you rather have nimmo or lagares? And would you even want lagares? The answer should be obvious.
 
Lagares can’t hit. He’s a rally killer. He’s also past his prime whereby nimmo is coming into his prime. To the life of me, the Mets could not give away lagares if they tried. I’m sure he’s a terrific teammate but he’s a 5th outfielder who I want no part of because he can’t hit. It’s a new era now where you have to hit. It’s not the 70s where guys like lagares could flourish. Ask yourself this if you were a gm: Would you rather have nimmo or lagares? And would you even want lagares? The answer should be obvious.
Listen it's not that I'm saying Lagares is anybody's all star as much as I'm saying Nimmo isn't all that. 2020.........Cespedes, McNeil, Davis, Conforto Nimmo. Answer this one Captain Obvious. Who's your 5th OF/Defensive replacement? Maybe trade Nimmo for bullpen help.
 
But i'm sure you aren't looking at the BA that Lgares had before some regular playing time allowed him to get into a groove when you go on and on. :Unhappy: So what are you looking at slick? I sure hope it's not K to walk ratio.

I just went over this yesterday. Lagares had a hot 5 game stretch this year. Before the HR today he was 0-17 and even his last month was not all that pretty. Nimmo was one of the best offensive players in baseball last year!! Go look at his wrc+ which takes into account basically everything with the bat and Nimmo was top 5 in baseball because of his excellent on base skills and good power.
 
And the Mets win! Great game from them to bounce back after that madness last night. A sweep would have been glorious though. 4.5 back still.
 
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OPS+ had him 7th in MLB last year. wrc+ had him 6th. Sorry if you don't understand advanced stats and how they incorporate a better view of a player. 4th overall in OBP also.
 
I can't, I won't. I refuse to even bother. Yep put him right up there with Trout, Bellinger, Rendon and those type guys. 0__0:Sly::WideSmile::WideSmile:

Yes his individual season last year was similar to them. The stats bear it out. I listed his ranks above I guess you deleted your previous post.
 
OPS+ had him 7th in MLB last year. wrc+ had him 6th. Sorry if you don't understand advanced stats and how they incorporate a better view of a player. 4th overall in OBP also.
I don't care what Ivy League metrics you toss into a computer and have it spit some useless jargon back at you. To say that Nimmo was one of the top hitters in baseball is a pure joke. PERIOD!
 
I am so proud of how this club rebounded from yesterday’s disaster. They are so resilient. I am so proud of this team. Doctor Worm and kudos to him for stating the above as I did not think they could rebound. Glad Mickey remembered he has justin Wilson on the squad. Kudos to lugo again going 2 innings. If only Diaz performed as advertised. Love this team. Love their grit. Love Alonso, McNeil, Davis , Rosario, conforto and the starters. So much to be proud of and root for. Memo to coupons and Brodie: do what has to be done in offseason managerially, depth wise and to materially improve bullpen to improve the team so we can contend for a title. It can happen if ownership steps up
 
I am so proud of how this club rebounded from yesterday’s disaster. They are so resilient. I am so proud of this team. Doctor Worm and kudos to him for stating the above as I did not think they could rebound. Glad Mickey remembered he has justin Wilson on the squad. Kudos to lugo again going 2 innings. If only Diaz performed as advertised. Love this team. Love their grit. Love Alonso, McNeil, Davis , Rosario, conforto and the starters. So much to be proud of and root for. Memo to coupons and Brodie: do what has to be done in offseason managerially, depth wise and to materially improve bullpen to improve the team so we can contend for a title. It can happen if ownership steps up
Thank you for your kind words. Agree with your positive sentiments. Just one comment - as we have painfully learned, relief pitching is SO volatile, and materially improving the bullpen is a whole lot easier said than done.
 
Wow, what a rollercoaster these past 18 hours. Gave them up for dead last night and they bounce back today. That being said the math is daunting, with 23 left they really need something like 18-5 to be there on the last day. They could have been 6-0 on this trip. With any sort of a bullpen ah what could have been.
 
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Have to give the Mets a ton of credit for today. I think it’s safe to say that they will not quit down the stretch. It may not be pretty with the bullpen at times, but they are not going to quit.
 
Wow, what a rollercoaster these past 18 hours. Gave them up for dead last night and they bounce back today. That being said the math is daunting, with 23 left they really need something like 18-5 to be there on the last day. They could have been 6-0 on this trip. With any sort of a bullpen ah what could have been.
Daunting indeed. One glimmer of hope is that 17 of the remaining 23 are at home.

But the hole is deep. Consider the upcoming homestand: Phillies for three, D-backs for four, Dodgers for three. By any objective measure, winning 7 of 10 would be an excellent homestand. Yet that would probably not be good enough.
 
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OPS+ had him 7th in MLB last year. wrc+ had him 6th. Sorry if you don't understand advanced stats and how they incorporate a better view of a player. 4th overall in OBP also.
Yep- no way in hell I trade him even up for any of the following players:
J Ramirez, Goldsmidt, Machado, Harper, Rendon, Freeman, Altuve, N Cruz, Arenado, Lindor, Story
And even if you compared his 2018 to this year- he is better then what both McNeil and Alonso have done so far this year.

Sometimes...these new stats, need to be shoved up someones ass...

I like Nimmo but if you try to tell me based on his wrc+ you would take him over any of those guys...well, I just have to say is take you eyes out of the computer and watch some baseball.
 
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Wow, what a rollercoaster these past 18 hours. Gave them up for dead last night and they bounce back today. That being said the math is daunting, with 23 left they really need something like 18-5 to be there on the last day. They could have been 6-0 on this trip. With any sort of a bullpen ah what could have been.
No longer worth stressing over.have some enjoyment just watching Alonso, McNeil, Davis, Rosario and maybe now, Nimmo.
 
BTW- with how Nimmo does look like he may be able to be productive next year, it makes for an interesting off season. Met's lose Wheeler, JL and Frazier to FA. I don't believe anyone else of significance.
Nimmo CF
McNeil 3B
Davis LF
Alonso 1B
Conforto RF
Cano 2B
Ramos C
Rosario SS

Lowrie and Smith on the bench

That is a pretty solid lineup.
 
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BTW- with how Nimmo does look like he may be able to be productive next year, it makes for an interesting off season. Met's lose Wheeler, JL and Frazier to FA. I don't believe anyone else of significance.
Nimmo CF
McNeil 3B
Davis LF
Alonso 1B
Conforto RF
Cano 2B
Ramos C
Rosario SS

Lowrie and Smith on the bench

That is a pretty solid lineup.
I know we've all forgotten about Cespedes, but don't forget about Cespedes.

Avlian is also a FA.

FWIW, Mets hold a club option on Lagares, although I am sure it will not be exercised.
 
Yep- no way in hell I trade him even up for any of the following players:
J Ramirez, Goldsmidt, Machado, Harper, Rendon, Freeman, Altuve, N Cruz, Arenado, Lindor, Story
And even if you compared his 2018 to this year- he is better then what both McNeil and Alonso have done so far this year.

Sometimes...these new stats, need to be shoved up someones ass...

I like Nimmo but if you try to tell me based on his wrc+ you would take him over any of those guys...well, I just have to say is take you eyes out of the computer and watch some baseball.

What a straw man that has started. The argument was Nimmo over Lagares. No one in the world said they wouldn't deal Nimmo over the guys above. If Nimmo puts up 3 or 4 years of what he did in 2018 then the conversation begins.
 
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