This Diaz trade is going to go down as one of the worst trades in MLB history or at least the history of the METS. Jared Kelenic is tearing it up in AA and is only 20 years old. He will be in the MLB in 1-2 years. Where will Diaz be at that time?
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Ok- guess I missed who would take JL over Nimmo in the first place and don’t need advanced stats to point it out.
I might prefer McNeil in the OF and Davis at 3rd but yup a solid lineup. Now if we just can get a bullpen.
I went with McNeil at 3rd so that he could also slide over to 2B(staying in the IF) to give Cano a break and keep Davis in one position.
You are the man of reason on this thread and I greatly appreciate and respect all of your posts.
Can’t count on cespedes. Nimmo is an adequate center fielder. I get lagares is a very good defensive outfielder but his lack of offensive skill makes him a minus. It’s time to move on from him. Sign another righty cf who can play defense but can also be productive with the bat to split time with nimmo or in the event nimmo gets hurt. These are the moves the Mets should make next year to improve depth.
I don't follow the Mets the way you guys do, but the team seems to have a lot of one-dimensional players, such as players who can hit but not play defense, or vice versa. The Mets need to open the purse strings and sign some players who can do it all. They also need to develop some relief pitchers in the minors. It is so difficult to trade for relievers because their performance can vary so much from year to year. Casey Stengel used to say that a relief pitcher couldn't be counted on for more than two years. Leaving aside exceptional pitchers like Rollie Fingers and Mariano Rivera, that seems still to be a good rule of thumb.
Very good points. And that’s why the trade for Diaz wasn’t smart given the short shelf lives for relievers absent the great ones a la Mariano etc. The other point that you raised is the bigger problem with owners who are not fully committed and manage the team as a mid market team and not ensuring accountability with its players or front office staff and leaving too many holes when the objective is to win.
Think 17-6 (88 wins) gets it done. 16-7 is a tie for the 2nd wild card. I think Nats get to 90 (12-12 gets Nats to 90..think we do that..not as easy as it may sound...tough schedule coming in)
To accentuate how amateurishly stupid this trade was and will be for years to come, Diaz was the least stupid part of it. There are so many layers of stupidity in it—the cluelessness is so profound—that thinking about it alone will throw you into a rabbit hole of pain. I feel it right now. I’m going to have to stop thinking about it.
Can't lie. I thought it was a good trade at the time, because I was blindly taken in by how good Diaz was in 2018. I thought he was worth the albatross of Cano's salary. While I hated given up Kelenic, I thought that even if he developed to his fullest potential, he might never be as good as Diaz was right then and there.
Confession is good for the soul. Helps me stop thinking about it too!
Even if Diaz was to be as good as he was last year, the trade was bad. The thing about closers is that, even if they are consistent from year to year, which rarely is the case, they play only 70-80 innings a year. So their actual impact, as opposed to their emotional impact to fans because it's the last inning, is by definition limited. There are usually at least 5 other pitchers on the team who throw more innings, generally more than double the innings, and therefore have more of an impact on the team. It's more important to have a good bullpen of 4-6 pitchers than a great closer.
But even if Diaz was the 73 innings, 1.96 era guy of 2018, it doesn't come close to balancing the loss of your two best young prospects and taking on a $100+ million contract for an aging middle infielder who you'll have --and no one will take from you--into his early 40s. Plus, Van Numbnuts thought he was doing something wonderful by getting rid of contracts of guys like Swarzak and Bruce, but their contracts were a universe away from being as bad or long as Cano's, they were in their early 30s and, as this year showed, when healthy they produced.
There are more problems to this trade--for instance, it showed that he didn't know that running a front office is way different from being an agent, as he immediately did the stupidest possible thing to get one of his clients--but that's enough.
Since we are bearing our souls here, I was also for the trade at the time but hated the Cano part of it but was willing to swallow it to get a closer with control. Funny thing is, Cano may turn out to be the better piece. Would never have imagined that.
Diaz is cheap: $600k. The damage he cost in the talent that we gave up for him is done. It won't get worse. If he gets his sea legs back next year, the Mets can keep him. If not, they can let him go. He won't tie up the payroll.
Cano, on the other hand, has only begun to cause damage. He's no good now, and his mere presence has forced us to move players around so that he can play second base and not hit well when he's not on the DL. He will be here forever with a big paycheck that the Wilpons can't work around. Next year he'll be a 37 year-old middle infielder. Who trades for that? And we'll have him, want to or not, for several more years with a crazy outsized contract. There's a reason he was roiding up. He's old. It shows. And he will get worse, not better, in two ways: Gradually, then suddenly.
Cano will always be the worst part of this trade. And he'll be here to remind us of that next year, then the next year, then the next year and, yes, then the next year.
Is it the impossible dream for the Brewers to sweep the Cubs and the Mets to take care of business against Philadelphia and Arizona?
Diaz is arb eligible this off season meaning his salary is going to go up big time even with this terrible year!
Not nearly as much as it would have. He's got one good year, one terrible year, and two meh years.
And, if they want, the Mets can just dump him.
There's no dumping Cano. Van Numbnuts has his client with him for a long time. Frankly, I think it's more likely that Van Numbnuts is gone before Cano.
I agree about Cano but wanted to point out that Diaz salary is going to jump up a good amount.
It's not impossible, but I wouldn't bet that way. I do think the series with Philadelphia this weekend is critical. Keep in mind that Philly then plays Atlanta, so the Mets have a real chance to catch the Phillies and create some distance.
Saddled with the hottest team in baseball (D-backs) and then the Dodgers. Assume the worst, and hope for the best.
Once again, it's supposedly "resilience." Here, we seem to define resilience (talking heads on SNY do it too--because, you know, they have to say something to keep a job) in a way that means that it will, by default, apply almost exclusively to teams that are around .500. By definition, nobody in the league will respond to losses with wins more often than.500 clubs. Nobody. .500 clubs have many losses and a similar amount of wins. Terrible clubs don't have that. Great clubs don't have that. And, because it's a long season, some of the .500 club's losses will be bad and disheartening, just as some some of their wins will be great and thrilling. And with that your have everything you need to apply the term "resilient," as some want to apply it.
But the Mets aren't near.500 because they're "resilient." They're near .500 because they're average.
But the Mets aren't near.500 because they're "resilient." They're near .500 because they're average.
What FrankZ said.
The idea that there are no truely resilient teams is akin to saying the mental side of sports is not really a thing.
Now are the Mets resilient? I think there definitely are resilient players on the team. Diaz is definitely not, or at least has not been this season, one of them.
I never wish an injury on a player, but the Cubs will be hurt by the loss of Kimbrel: the rest of the bullpen is pretty terrible Come to think of it, there are a whole number of teams with terrible bullpens. I think the problem is that starting pitchers rarely go past six or seven these days, and that means teams have to go deep into their bullpens. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...red-list-for-second-time-in-shortened-season/
I never liked the trade because of Cano, and his contract, but I do think that he could have a better season next year then he has this year.
And while Cano was BVW's target most likely because he was a former client, Diaz was still the key to the deal, he is the reason we sent the high end prospects the other way. So the fact that he has been an absolute disaster is what makes the deal a disaster. If he was having even a solid season, and the Mets were say 5 games better then they now are, I think you could look at the deal and say, aight, it's not a great deal, but we are heading in the right direction and Diaz is a key player moving fwd. Now though, as I say above, it's a complete disaster of a trade, more so because of Diaz then Cano.
I didn’t say that. I challenged posts—yours now included—using the word resilient based on nothing more than winning after losing. I then showed how any .500 team fits the vague use of the term in these posts. Just as Frank thought referring to two bad players somehow shows resiliency, any .500 team has at least 2 bad players.
I’ve yet to see any thoughtful definition and application of the word resilient in these posts. I mean, are you saying that the Mets resilience is an added factor that has allowed them to win more games than their physical talent should have them winning? If so, then you must think that they have well below average talent and that their resilience has them near .500 If not, their performance is fully explained by talent and resilience doesn’t matter.
It rarely works that way with 37 year old players, and even more so when the 37 year old player is a middle infielder.
After a day off and playing the Phils, if the following players are not in the lineup today, just dump MC now. Ramos, Alonso, Cano, Rosario, Frazier, Davis, Conforto, McNeil
Bat them in any f-ing order you like but all of them start every f-ing game except give Ramos a breather one game.
Also, I want Matz to throw his 2nd pitch to Harper under his chin and put some dirt on his back- set the tone on him.
Bat them in any f-ing order you like but all of them start every f-ing game except give Ramos a breather one game.
Also, I want Matz to throw his 2nd pitch to Harper under his chin and put some dirt on his back- set the tone on him.
Ok- Davis or McNeil to 3B
Throw at Harper to set a tone. He loves to fall off the plate anyway. Make him tilt just that little bit more. Want to keep him honest inside but anything in, has to come in tight.
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