OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

[cubuffsdoug]

No one is running away with either wildcard spot and that why there has been little movement around the trade deadline. Plus, there are few desirable options available and those that were seen as realistic have been gobbled up by the least expected teams, the Mets and the Reds.

 

[cicero grimes]

I still don't get the Vargas deal. If you say you are giving up on the season and trading to build for the future, you got nothing back for him. If you say we are going for it this year why trade him to a team you have to pass to get into the wildcard. Not only did you give away an effective starter but you gave them money to take him. Even with Stroman here you could have put Vargas in the pen. If you were that angry at Vargas for the reporter thing you should have just released him.

 

[redking]

I still don't get the Vargas deal. If you say you are giving up on the season and trading to build for the future, you got nothing back for him. If you say we are going for it this year why trade him to a team you have to pass to get into the wildcard. Not only did you give away an effective starter but you gave them money to take him. Even with Stroman here you could have put Vargas in the pen. If you were that angry at Vargas for the reporter thing you should have just released him.

Totally agree. One step forward with the Stroman deal and one (half?) step back with the Vargas deal.

 

[RU-05]

Correct me if Im wrong since I have fuzzy math tonight. But this was the Mets 24th blown save. Just going half of that, the Mets would be 62-43, probably, give or take, a half game behind the Braves for first.

BTW, and why was Thor taken out again?

And I agree that you dont trade Thor unless its for a Tatis type player. Not for a cheap 210 hitter that the Wilpons prefer.

Given we won last night despite the blown save does point to fuzzy math.

But in general, yeah the bullpen has cost us big time.

 

[RU-05]

I still don't get the Vargas deal. If you say you are giving up on the season and trading to build for the future, you got nothing back for him. If you say we are going for it this year why trade him to a team you have to pass to get into the wildcard. Not only did you give away an effective starter but you gave them money to take him. Even with Stroman here you could have put Vargas in the pen. If you were that angry at Vargas for the reporter thing you should have just released him.

On the one hand he clearly had no value around the league. I guess the thought is his stuff does not translate to the post season?

On the other hand, he's been good, why not just keep him? Especially if you plan on trading wheeler or Noah.

The reporter shit storm had already blown over. Not even an issue anymore.

So I agree, doesn't really make sense.

 

[RU-05]

As per Diaz, not only was he bad last night, he was dangerous, I mean who didn't see that hits bats man coming? Wonder if you ever consider pulling him just so as not to be complicit in seeing a guy get hit in the head?

And the White Sox completely bailed him out by swinging at about 6 pitches that were out of the zone. Was some of that because they were so on their heals because of how wild he was? Maybe but not all of it was. 1st pitch swinging on a ball way out of the zone after he walked the lead off guy was just bad baseball.

 

[RU-05]

How about also Nido not getting the passed ball there. Supposed to be the good defensive catcher. McCann blocked 4 or 5 balls in the dirt.

Second passed ball by Nido in a big spot in recent weeks.

Last nights was a Ramos like non effort.

 

[Unionst]

Second passed ball by Nido in a big spot in recent weeks.

Last nights was a Ramos like non effort.

He was set up on that pitch with his right leg extended out, away from the plate. Impossible to properly block the pitch from that position. Mystifying.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Just seems to me that the Vargas trade is one which could have been made at 3:59 PM today, when the Mets would have known whether or not he would be of future use.

 

[retired711]

I still don't get the Vargas deal. If you say you are giving up on the season and trading to build for the future, you got nothing back for him. If you say we are going for it this year why trade him to a team you have to pass to get into the wildcard. Not only did you give away an effective starter but you gave them money to take him. Even with Stroman here you could have put Vargas in the pen. If you were that angry at Vargas for the reporter thing you should have just released him.

Perhaps the Mets didn't want to let Vargas go until they got a replacement in the rotation (Stroman). That doesn't seem ureasonable.

 

[Foads]

We were never getting anything of value for Vargas as he can only go 5, maybe 6 innings max. I am not upset about the trade, especially since he went to the Phillies where he can do more damage to their playoff hopes while helping ours.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Perhaps the Mets didn't want to let Vargas go until they got a replacement in the rotation (Stroman). That doesn't seem ureasonable.

True, but if the Mets unload Wheeler and/or Syndergaard today, keeping Vargas might have been useful. My point is that this trade could have been made right at the deadline, by which time those questions would have been answered.

Of course it's possible that they think between Santana and Lockett, they have enough coverage if there is more action today.

 

[retired711]

True, but if the Mets unload Wheeler and/or Syndergaard today, keeping Vargas might have been useful. My point is that this trade could have been made right at the deadline, by which time those questions would have been answered.

Of course it's possible that they think between Santana and Lockett, they have enough coverage if there is more action today.

The Mets might not have had the luxury of waiting; the Phillies couild have said, "take our offer or we'll get a starter elsewhere." And the Mets really wanted to be rid of Vargas.

Today's baseball e-mail from the Philadelphia Inquirer makes the following points about Vargas:

He has the eighth highest flyball rate among major league starters. That isn't good in the Phillies' home run friendly stadium.

Vargas has been much more effective at Citi Field than on the road. (2.93 at home, 5.03 on the road). He'll miss being with the Mets.

OTOH, Vargas has the eighth highest soft-ball contact rate in baseball. And Gabe Kapler was very impressed by Vargas' recent start against the Phillies (Vargas went seven innings).

Vargas relies on his lack of velocity (88 mph top) to get batters out. (I don't know how effective that strategy is going to be in the long run.)

 

[Zak57]

Noah staying he's been pulled off the market as per Sherman and Martino twitter.

 

[FrankZ]

Noah staying he's been pulled off the market as per Sherman and Martino twitter.

Just noticed. Yippee

 

[Knight Shift]

Noah staying he's been pulled off the market as per Sherman and Martino twitter.

Good.

 

[Knight Shift]

Wheeler still in play per SNY Blog:


The Mets have been expected to trade pending free agent Zack Wheeler before the July 31 trade deadline, but there's also a possibility that they sign him to a contract extension or hold him through the deadline before extending a qualifying offer after the season. Here's the latest...

July 31, 11:29 AM:

The Mets are still "fielding calls from nine teams" on Wheeler, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post, who says Wheeler will be traded if New York's price is met.

The Yankees, Braves, and many others have been expressing interest in Wheeler.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Wheeler still in play per SNY Blog:


The Mets have been expected to trade pending free agent Zack Wheeler before the July 31 trade deadline, but there's also a possibility that they sign him to a contract extension or hold him through the deadline before extending a qualifying offer after the season. Here's the latest...

July 31, 11:29 AM:

The Mets are still "fielding calls from nine teams" on Wheeler, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post, who says Wheeler will be traded if New York's price is met.

The Yankees, Braves, and many others have been expressing interest in Wheeler.

I would not trade him to the Braves (divisional rival) or the Yankees because they are the crosstown rival. I'm sure Houston has some players of interest to the Mets as well as Minnesota.

 

[Knight Shift]

I would not trade him to the Braves (divisional rival) or the Yankees because they are the crosstown rival. I'm sure Houston has some players of interest to the Mets as well as Minnesota.

Jose Altuve, because the Mets need another second baseman!!!!

 

[Doctor Worm]

Wheeler is a rental. High bid gets him. Doesn't matter who.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Wheeler is a rental. High bid gets him. Doesn't matter who.

I hope the highest bidder is someone who the Mets don't face on a regular basis like Atlanta.

 

[rubaseball78]

Jose Altuve, because the Mets need another second baseman!!!!

We already have a 2nd baseman for another 4 years.

 

[Knight Shift]

We already have a 2nd baseman for another 4 years.

I was joking. That position is crowded, but maybe not so much if they play the shift often enough.

 

[rubaseball78]

I was joking. That position is crowded, but maybe not so much if they play the shift often enough.

Unfortunately, I wish I was.

 

[Knight Shift]

Unfortunately, I wish I was.

And I was thinking of McNeil from your post!
Cano is an albatross.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Current reports are maybe Wheeler gets moved but that's it. Mets not getting what they want for Diaz. He needs to rebuild his value.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Current reports are maybe Wheeler gets moved but that's it. Mets not getting what they want for Diaz. He needs to rebuild his value.

Diaz's bone chips have floated up to his head. Who knew a team could have two Familia's?

 

[Knight Shift]

Diaz's bone chips have floated up to his head. Who knew a team could have two Familia's?

That's an insult to Familia.

 

[tico brown]

Given we won last night despite the blown save does point to fuzzy math.

But in general, yeah the bullpen has cost us big time.

So the Mets wouldnt have at least 10-12 more wins (out of 24 blown saves) if not for the Bullpen?

 

[tico brown]

I would not trade him to the Braves (divisional rival) or the Yankees because they are the crosstown rival. I'm sure Houston has some players of interest to the Mets as well as Minnesota.

How many times have the Mets traded to the Braves and Phillies last couple of years?

 

[tico brown]

Actually your math is a bit fuzzy because as we have just seen, not every blown save results in a loss. But I definitely get your point!

Thats why I only said half the blown saves

 

[tico brown]

McNeil should be playing 2nd base

We all knew that during the offseason. But BVW had to hook up his dude.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Mets on a little up swing and the 3 Amigos limp back to the stagnant Yankee thread,[cheers]

 

[cubuffsdoug]

How many times have the Mets traded to the Braves and Phillies last couple of years?

I don't believe in giving a divisional rival help where they can stick it to the Mets. Vargas to Philly is a trojan horse move. It's going to hurt Philly more than help them bury the Mets.

 

[Doctor Worm]

And down the stretch we come...!

MLB Network reporting Mets may yet be sellers (Wheeler) AND buyers (bullpen). May be 4:15ish before we know.

 

[Doctor Worm]

So the Mets wouldnt have at least 10-12 more wins (out of 24 blown saves) if not for the Bullpen?

No they would not. Not even close.

Their save conversion rate is 26 out of 48, or 54%. That's next to last, ahead of only Boston. But the league average is only 64%. If they had an average bullpen with a 64% rate, they'd be 31 out of 48. Five fewer blown saves. Just five. Which translates to maybe three or four more wins.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

The new setup for the trade deadline/waiver wire is Bullcrap. It's turned the player movement into sh*t. Some teams are afraid to make moves or don't want to give up individual players to make things happen. Also, there is too much parity. A lot of teams feel they are too close to quit now. Look at the Mets who are five games out of the wildcard with 56 games to go.

 

[Doctor Worm]

WHEELER STAYS.

 

[Doctor Worm]

The new setup for the trade deadline/waiver wire is Bullcrap. It's turned the player movement into sh*t. Some teams are afraid to make moves or don't want to give up individual players to make things happen. Also, there is too much parity. A lot of teams feel they are too close to quit now. Look at the Mets who are five games out of the wildcard with 56 games to go.

Don't be surprised if the 2020 deadline is moved to August 15 or later.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

OK, lets give it a go and get back in this thing!!!!!