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OT: 2023 NY Jets Season Thread

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The Jets/Douglas most likely would have drafted OT Broderick Jones in the first round of the 2023 draft but Pitt traded up with NE just in front and took Jones. McDonald was probably the best pass rusher in the draft. Douglas has emphasized the LOS in building the Jets. 3 years ago, the Jets had one of the worst rosters in the NFL and they now probably have a top 10 roster. That is a very good job and far better than the last few GMs they have had. It would be typical Jet overreaction at this point to even think of getting rid of Douglas and Saleh. Dallas is probably a top 3 or 4 team. Jets were coming off an emotional win on a short week. Not a huge surprise things went bad on Sun.
Douglas has failed to build one of the most important parts of a football team, the OL, This has either hampered Wilson’s development or Wilson just sucks. Either one is Douglas’ fault.

The line he constructed has been historically bad, much worse in these two games than the 2017 Texans (who are considered the worst OL in the last twenty years ) were for that season.

They aren’t missing guys with injury or anything to cause this. Their plan was that 38 year old, coming off of shoulder surgery Duane Brown would anchor the line.
 
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Douglas has failed to build one of the most important parts of a football team, the OL, This has either hampered Wilson’s development or Wilson just sucks. Either one is Douglas’ fault.

The line he constructed has been historically bad, much worse in these two games than the 2017 Texans (who are considered the worst OL in the last twenty years ) were for that season.

They aren’t missing guys with injury or anything to cause this. Their plan was that 38 year old, coming off of shoulder surgery Duane Brown would anchor the line.
Douglas is at fault for failing to address the OL (second year in a row) and sticking with Wilson no matter what. Its easy to be the assistant GM for another team, but when you become the GM for a NY team you better be on point. Excuses don't fly here. Douglas should take the HC with him when they leave.
 
Douglas is at fault for failing to address the OL (second year in a row) and sticking with Wilson no matter what. Its easy to be the assistant GM for another team, but when you become the GM for a NY team you better be on point. Excuses don't fly here. Douglas should take the HC with him when they leave.
Douglas looks even worse for his mishandling of the QB situation when Jets fans watch them lose a game they would have won with mediocre QB play and other teams win games with Gardner Minshew and Josh Dobbs.
 
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Between the Mets with Eppler and Buck and the Jets with Douglas and Saleh - I think these are 2 inept management teams.

Saleh to me is like a high school coach.
 
Douglas is at fault for failing to address the OL (second year in a row) and sticking with Wilson no matter what. Its easy to be the assistant GM for another team, but when you become the GM for a NY team you better be on point. Excuses don't fly here. Douglas should take the HC with him when they leave.

Mekhi Becton is the Jets version of the Giants bust Erik Flowers - too big and immobile (drafted at 6'7" 365lbs). He got hurt and couldn't heal well because of his weight. Now that he's playing, defenders run around him like he's a potted plant. Defenders like Micah Parsons (6'4" 250) run sub 4.4s. All Pro OT Tristan Wirfs runs a 4.8 with a 36.5 vertical - and he does backflips. I know OL dont need to be fast but the fast ones tend to be better athletes. The giant meatbags are so 2000 AD - need athletic biggies



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Colin Kaepernick who once called the NFL a slave plantation and the NFL draft a slave auction now wants the Jets to give him a shot. I'm wondering if this guy is clinically insane. He hasn't played in about 7-8 years and had 1 good year but wants to go work at a job thats just like slavery.

 
Yeah that would make it even more of a circus.

Signing Trevor Simian was a good move. He has NFL starting experience. Nobody else on the market…
 
Colin Kaepernick who once called the NFL a slave plantation and the NFL draft a slave auction now wants the Jets to give him a shot. I'm wondering if this guy is clinically insane. He hasn't played in about 7-8 years and had 1 good year but wants to go work at a job thats just like slavery.

The things I never understood about Kaepernick (and I hope someone jumps in to give me more information if I am wrong) is that he has been selling the idea the league is discriminating against him when:

  • He had already lost his starting job before he left football, and one thing the NFL has proven is they could care less what you do off the field if you still have value on the field (and he didn’t)
  • He quit when he still was under contract to the Niners. Doesn’t him quitting, and not being released, destroy his whole argument that he has been discriminated against? Why didn’t he at least wait until the Niners had to release him to bolster his argument?
 
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The things I never understood about Kaepernick (and I hope someone jumps in to give me more information if I am wrong) is that he has been selling the idea the league is discriminating against him when:

  • He had already lost his starting job before he left football, and one thing the NFL has proven is they could care less what you do off the field if you still have value on the field (and he didn’t)
  • He quit when he still was under contract to the Niners. Doesn’t him quitting, and not being released, destroy his whole argument that he has been discriminated against? Why didn’t he at least wait until the Niners had to release him to bolster his argument?

Hence my statement he is probably crazy
 
The things I never understood about Kaepernick (and I hope someone jumps in to give me more information if I am wrong) is that he has been selling the idea the league is discriminating against him when:

  • He had already lost his starting job before he left football, and one thing the NFL has proven is they could care less what you do off the field if you still have value on the field (and he didn’t)
  • He quit when he still was under contract to the Niners. Doesn’t him quitting, and not being released, destroy his whole argument that he has been discriminated against? Why didn’t he at least wait until the Niners had to release him to bolster his argument?
You did well to acknowledge that your post may be inaccurate. It is. Or at best, very misleading.

To your first bullet point: At the start of the 2016 season (Kaepernick's last) he was coming off three surgeries. He was not physically 100%, and did not begin the season as the starter. However, he took the reins after Game 5 and never relinquished them. He started the final 11 games of the season.

The 2016 49ers were a terrible team, finishing 2-14. That said, Kaepernick's stats were not half bad. 2,241 yards in 11 games, a QB rating of 90.7, and 16 TD's with only 4 INT's. Plus 468 rushing yards averaging 6.8 yards per carry, and 2 TD's.

I know that value is subjective, but it sure sounds to me like he still had value on the field. A 29 year old Free Agent QB with those numbers should have generated at least a moderate bidding war.

Now to your second bullet. At the end of the 2016 season, the 49ers hired a new coach, Kyle Shanahan, formerly coach of the Falcons. He planned to implement his own offensive system, and did not believe that Kaepernick was a good fit for it. Kaepernick had an opt-out in his contract, and exercised it. That is common in sports, and the person who does so is never stigmatized as a "quitter''. According to reports, had he not done so, he would have been released.

All of that said, I do not believe Kaepernick was blackballed. I just think that no owner was willing to rock the boat to sign him. This despite the fact that for most teams he would have been an upgrade as a backup QB, and for some he would have been an upgrade as a starter.

In fairness, there may have been financial issues that I am missing. It's possible that Kaepernick priced himself out of the market. However, I doubt that that's the primary reason for his career termination.
 
You did well to acknowledge that your post may be inaccurate. It is. Or at best, very misleading.

To your first bullet point: At the start of the 2016 season (Kaepernick's last) he was coming off three surgeries. He was not physically 100%, and did not begin the season as the starter. However, he took the reins after Game 5 and never relinquished them. He started the final 11 games of the season.

The 2016 49ers were a terrible team, finishing 2-14. That said, Kaepernick's stats were not half bad. 2,241 yards in 11 games, a QB rating of 90.7, and 16 TD's with only 4 INT's. Plus 468 rushing yards averaging 6.8 yards per carry, and 2 TD's.

I know that value is subjective, but it sure sounds to me like he still had value on the field. A 29 year old Free Agent QB with those numbers should have generated at least a moderate bidding war.

Now to your second bullet. At the end of the 2016 season, the 49ers hired a new coach, Kyle Shanahan, formerly coach of the Falcons. He planned to implement his own offensive system, and did not believe that Kaepernick was a good fit for it. Kaepernick had an opt-out in his contract, and exercised it. That is common in sports, and the person who does so is never stigmatized as a "quitter''. According to reports, had he not done so, he would have been released.

All of that said, I do not believe Kaepernick was blackballed. I just think that no owner was willing to rock the boat to sign him. This despite the fact that for most teams he would have been an upgrade as a backup QB, and for some he would have been an upgrade as a starter.

In fairness, there may have been financial issues that I am missing. It's possible that Kaepernick priced himself out of the market. However, I doubt that that's the primary reason for his career termination.
Your part about his free agency was exactly my point. In a vacuum, he was good enough to get another chance. But it wasn’t in a vacuum. He wasn’t good enough to give him another chance given the baggage signing him would bring.

That’s not discrimination, it’s how the NFL always works. If Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen became a political activist now, teams would put up with it.
 
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Your part about his free agency was exactly my point. In a vacuum, he was good enough to get another chance. But it wasn’t in a vacuum. He wasn’t good enough to give him another chance given the baggage signing him would bring.

That’s not discrimination, it’s how the NFL always works. If Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen became a political activist now, teams would put up with it.
We are in agreement there.
 
Your part about his free agency was exactly my point. In a vacuum, he was good enough to get another chance. But it wasn’t in a vacuum. He wasn’t good enough to give him another chance given the baggage signing him would bring.

That’s not discrimination, it’s how the NFL always works. If Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen became a political activist now, teams would put up with it.
That’s it . If he didn’t kneel, he would have gotten another chance. That he kneeled, he wasn’t worth the backlash to give a second chance too.
Did owners collude ? Probably . Just like the mara’s colluded with other owners to keep fassel out
 
That’s it . If he didn’t kneel, he would have gotten another chance. That he kneeled, he wasn’t worth the backlash to give a second chance too.
Did owners collude ? Probably . Just like the mara’s colluded with other owners to keep fassel out
Another good example of the NFL’s attitude is Ray Rice.

He hits his then girlfriend on video at an age when his peak is behind him, his career is over and that incident is the story of his career.

Joe Mixon hits a girl on video in college and comes into the league as a young guy with his peak years ahead of him. He drops a little in the draft and then the incident is almost never brought up when he is talked about later.
 
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Another good example of the NFL’s attitude is Ray Rice.

He hits his then girlfriend on video at an age when his peak is behind him, his career is over and that incident is the story of his career.

Joe Mixon hits a girl on video in college and comes into the league as a young guy with his peak years ahead of him. He drops a little in the draft and then the incident is almost never brought up when he is talked about later.
Crazy thing is people will talk about rothlisberger as some great guy but trash kapernick
 
Crazy thing is people will talk about rothlisberger as some great guy but trash kapernick
Same thing. If you are an NFL player, make that whatever you do that is bad or controversial off the field happens while you still have enough value as a player, because then you will get a total pass.
 
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Same thing. If you are an NFL player, make that whatever you do that is bad or controversial off the field happens while you still have enough value as a player, because then you will get a total pass.
If Aaron Hernandez’s case was thrown out because of a technicality, someone would have signed him.
It is actually amazing that Vick got another chance.
 
This is a well done version of a great meme.


That's funny

In real life he was talking about when he had a low level restaurant job and had to clean kitchen moldy kitchen pots and pans. He was told to tie them up on beach and let salt water soak them. He did it at night and the next day the tide has risen and the pans were gone.
 
Wilson gets pissed on about the low QB rating. Tell me what QB with the number of drops he faces that would have a high rating
 
Devin McCourty doing great on the halftime show on NBC. Loving the Rutgers presence tonight.
 
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Wow, looks like Zach Wilson is finally having a game. Not a Jets fan, but I like seeing someone who has been excoriated by the press and fans finally coming through. Redemption is always a nice story. Now let's see if they can win this game.
 
What a b***sh** holding call on Gardner!!! The official didn't throw the flag until they ran another 10 yards and the ball was picked off.
Terrible. I don't blame Saleh for getting the flag at the end.
 
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What a b***sh** holding call on Gardner!!! The official didn't throw the flag until they ran another 10 yards and the ball was picked off.
Terrible. I don't blame Salah for getting the flag at the end.
On another play during that same drive, KC's LT held Jets' DE Johnson as Mahomes ran downfield to pick up the first down. Johnson turned to pursue Mahomes but couldn't, as the LT wouldn't let him go. The side judge approached the LT and said something but never threw the flag. It seemed like the officials went out of their way to ensure KC didn't lose. Hopefully, Wilson can continue to play like this for the rest of the season. The Jets might have a chance for the playoffs. The defense is legit.
 
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