Well it’s not the same job for one.
Two, the better comparison is the CEO vs. superintendent. As it seems no one likes them. LOL
OT: Any Burned Out Teachers in Here?
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Two, the better comparison is the CEO vs. superintendent. As it seems no one likes them. LOL
I'm sure plenty of teachers (and others) wouldn't mind making tens of millions of dollars for working harder. A better comparison is probably other public service type jobs. I know a ton of teachers, mostly in their 50s, and they're still working their asses off - way more than 40 hrs/wk, plus many pay for supplies for their students. I think the public and this board spend far too much time focusing on the 10-20% of teachers who suck at their jobs and not the 80-90%, who love teaching and work very hard at it.
turn it into a positive and think that you teach your kids early to recognize mental disorders and be compassionate and to stay away to avoid any issues.
Nothing incorrect about that, just don’t want it taught in school
Would rather my tax dollars go towards real life things that can benefit her, not that nonsense
Which is why the tenure system at many districts is a major problem IMHO. Tenure at most colleges and universities happens years later in comparison. And that 80-90% have nothing to worry about unless politics are involved.
My student is from TCNJ. She got the 3,000 dollar student teaching stipend from the state. I wish I had that when I was student teaching as then I wouldn't have worked on weekends.
Also, not sure if this is common but starting this Fall my school district is offering a student teaching program that will give them up to a 10,000 dollar stipend upon completion of the requirements of the program. I guess they're trying to retain the good candidates and give them jobs in district.
https://www.ww-p.org/newsroom/news/w_w-_p_new_student_teacher_program_offers_stipend
The nationwide teacher shortage is a real thing, impacting all levels of teaching. They should be finding ways to make teaching more attractive, not taking away one of it's perks. Push tenure farther down the road sure, but don't just get rid of it.
Good for you to not feed the troll. I think this conversation is interesting because most people are just talking facts and speaking about their situations. I appreciate that this thread hasn't had to be locked.....yet. lol
That would be perfectly fine I think if it would be helpful. If the admins are ok, you need not fear having no tenure. But therein lies the problem in many places....
I honestly can’t recall a single time hearing a friend or family complain about teachers in general. Very occasional complaints about a specific teacher or situation, yes. But not overarching complaints.
The very vocal minority creates a false impression that the general public has a negative opinion of teachers.
Maybe you should point out the better comparison to the guy who actually made the comparison
Again, maybe follow the thread and look at the post I quoted. Amazing how many people love to comment without actually knowing what’s going on or what someone is referencing.
Those sites provide estimates and are very rarely accurate. More importantly, it's moot because public teacher salaries are public information. Quick google shows nj.com article saying average salary in NJ was over $75k and that was 8ish years ago.
The average teacher pay in all 50 states, ranked
How much secondary school teachers make in all 50 states. New Jersey and Pennsylvania rank among the highest paid, but which comes out on top? See where secondary school teachers make the most money.
lol troll
your post wreaks of irony but you don't see that clearly
back on point, we have more than enough applicants for the very few openings we have. When you break down the so called 'shortage' tell me what you both see? I'll wait
par for the course. the mere fact anyone is even discussing/comparing CEOs shows clear ignorance
he can't help himself, it's his liberal know it all knee jerk reaction to comment on things he doesn't have a clue about
Teachers are well paid for their time, service provided, and educational level (some might even question that with the online education degree nonsense)
agree
education is big business now, you'd be amazed to look through some of the municipal budget items and various 'allowances'
I will say that teachers are between a rock and hard place now. It's hard for them to discipline and they will often have zero support from the politically motivated administration. Let's not even discuss the common core and it's teaching to lower band of the mean window. I've yet to hear a single teacher profess any liking to common core or the standardized testing. Much of the actual teaching is taken from the teacher now.
You have some valid points mixed in with condescending smugness. Every teacher I know has a masters. Most are not online degrees.
If an engineer makes $90k coming out of college and I'm making $90k in my 24th year, how am I well paid for my time?
without being smug, do I really need to explain that to you? I honestly feel if I do then you are qualifying my intimation
some fun reading
There Is No Teacher Shortage. So Why Is Everyone Talking About It?
If I can’t buy a Porsche for $1.98, that doesn’t mean there’s an automobile shortage.
www.forbes.com
The pandemic has exacerbated a long-standing national shortage of teachers
What this report finds: The pandemic exacerbated a preexisting and long-standing shortage of teachers. The shortage is particularly acute for certain subject areas and in some geographic locations. It is especially severe in schools with high shares of students of color or students from...
www.epi.org
The Phantom Teacher Shortage
Pop quiz time. “Teacher shortages have gotten worse.” True or false? False. And yet, that sentence was part of a recent Washington Post headline. And it’s far from uncommon. In fact, public schools have been on a hiring spree for decades. It began with President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society...
www.heritage.org
I read the first article, which is opinion. I agree with him there is a retention problem.without being smug, do I really need to explain that to you? I honestly feel if I do then you are qualifying my intimation
some fun reading
There Is No Teacher Shortage. So Why Is Everyone Talking About It?
If I can’t buy a Porsche for $1.98, that doesn’t mean there’s an automobile shortage.
The pandemic has exacerbated a long-standing national shortage of teachers
What this report finds: The pandemic exacerbated a preexisting and long-standing shortage of teachers. The shortage is particularly acute for certain subject areas and in some geographic locations. It is especially severe in schools with high shares of students of color or students from...
The Phantom Teacher Shortage
Pop quiz time. “Teacher shortages have gotten worse.” True or false? False. And yet, that sentence was part of a recent Washington Post headline. And it’s far from uncommon. In fact, public schools have been on a hiring spree for decades. It began with President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society...
I Googled teaching jobs in Delaware. There are over 300 teaching positions unfilled. To me that's a shortage.
Why do you think they are unfilled?
95 is best ignored like T2K, both have hard takes on things they know nothing about and always whiff on facts and reality.
Because it is middle of April? Isn't this the time of year schools hire for next year?
Good points here- hard to discipline these days, no administration support, moving of goalposts in terms of what they signed up to teach versus what is required now, etc etc. You’ve made the perfect case for why some teachers are burnt out.
i have no knowledge if there is a teacher shortage or not but I do know the district that my daughter teaches in Cape May County, they are laying off every teacher that does not have tenure at the end of the year, it amounts to about 30 teachers. So thats 30 teachers available for employment in this small section of NJ and thats only 1 district. Add that my previous home in South Brunswick is laying off a whole bunch of teachers due to budget cuts. Losing $10MM in the span of 6 years is quite a hitwithout being smug, do I really need to explain that to you? I honestly feel if I do then you are qualifying my intimation
some fun reading
There Is No Teacher Shortage. So Why Is Everyone Talking About It?
If I can’t buy a Porsche for $1.98, that doesn’t mean there’s an automobile shortage.
The pandemic has exacerbated a long-standing national shortage of teachers
What this report finds: The pandemic exacerbated a preexisting and long-standing shortage of teachers. The shortage is particularly acute for certain subject areas and in some geographic locations. It is especially severe in schools with high shares of students of color or students from...
The Phantom Teacher Shortage
Pop quiz time. “Teacher shortages have gotten worse.” True or false? False. And yet, that sentence was part of a recent Washington Post headline. And it’s far from uncommon. In fact, public schools have been on a hiring spree for decades. It began with President Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society...
There has been a steady decline in state aid to South Brunswick in the last six years. In 2018-2019, the district received $24.7 million and for the upcoming school year, the district was allotted $14.2 million.
South Brunswick schools braces for 'significant losses' in staff and programs
Among the reductions are a 5% loss of staff, increased fees for lunches, increased class sizes, reduced security and course eliminations.
www.mycentraljersey.com
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This is when teaching jobs are posted due to openings anticipated for the next year. A lot of the job openings in NJ are for Pre-K now that Murphy has mandated every school district offer pre-K while at the same time cutting budgets to districts not named Newark. So yes, there are many job openings right now, and they will most likely all be filled for next year.
You'd have to truly love teaching and educating students to get into teaching now
The game has changed so much in terms of expectations, support, kids, parents, curriculum and of course benefits (health and pension)
One thing I'll say is I substitute taught in college; while you could mail it in for a day or 2, teachers, by and large, cannot have off days
I did middle school and thought that was ideal. HS too big for the britches, elementary too young for my patience
the pre-k was a political move and in no way should the tax payer be forced to subsidize low income families further
OH THIS!
SO, SO MUCH THIS!
One reason why people might not want to be teachers. My sister was a teacher in Paterson for over 30 years. She told me an incident where her student, a third grader, accused her of calling him the N word. The parents wanted her fired but the principal backed my sister and didn’t believe the accusation. Her 10 years old grand daughter wants to be a teacher but she has too much intelligence to waste in a classroom and she already has expensive taste to just be a teacher. We’ll change her mind when she gets older.
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My cooperating teacher had a heart attack 10 days into my student teaching. Being that is was a rural school and chemistry they knew they couldn’t find long term sub. So they got an elementary Ed sub to sit in the room for legal reasons and I taught everything.
It’s a 4+ page (so far) thread that I thought I was following? LOL
So guess I missed the post you’re talking about. 🤷♂️
And after you retire next year, what’s your pension per year over the next 50years?
Pendants are huge, additionally since teachers work approximately eight months per year, that 90,000 is roughly 120k averaged out over 12 months
For some killer benefits, the abilities for teachers to tutor, due after school activities as well as Coach sports, and it’s really not a bad gig
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95- you really have some weird takes on life...So- classes may run 6 hours or so- I don't know a single teacher that punches their clock in and out with the students. Most are working late at night grading papers, setting up the next day- continued education, attending school functions, running to staples to buy supplies, etc.
And I am not a teacher- but I do know what type of schedules most of them take- yes, there are some lazy teachers but most work like a CEO.
