Did we not a couple of years ago drastically expand the definition of Autism? That would explain a lot.
OT - Dangers of not vaccinating children
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Did we not a couple of years ago drastically expand the definition of Autism? That would explain a lot.
Willis - take a step back. The CDC recommends vaccines. Their job is to control the spread of disease. They also evaluate the effectiveness of vaccines. Most would think that is a conflict of interest. A scientist that works there says they committed fraud. The CDC then says they can't replicate what the whistleblower states so you conclude it discredits the guy. I assume you also know the guy claimed they brought in garbage cans and destroyed evidence after the fraud was committed which might hinder the ability to replicate.
All I know is I don't necessarily trust either right now so there needs to be an investigation. Unfortunately, I believe that the whistleblower can only testify before congress or he is going to jail so he awaits a call - as do we all. Don't you find it odd nobody has talked to him in 2 years except CDC folks. The same people he says committed fraud.
We have a scientist saying they committed fraud, the CDC saying they didn't and the biggest whores on the planet responsible for sorting thru the mess. I'm sure this will be resolved quickly.
I don't think it matters. It's like the opinions on this thread. Parents either believe vaccinations could have played a role or they don't. Personally, I think vaccinations have gotten out of control and the zealot pro vaccine crowd is quite a cult. You want to argue or mandate the "big ones" have at it. However, don't tell me I need to vaccinate my kids for chicken pox, the flu, or any other run of the mill childhood disease. Please don't post stats about flu deaths or time missed at work. My kids are healthy and don't live in Africa. If we are concerned about lost work we should vaccinate against the NCAA basketball tourney as well.
While we'r eon the topic, this has been an interesting month for autism science stories.
Dysfunction in a mothers immune system during pregnancy may be linked with a distinct group with autism and intellectual disability according to a UC Davis MIND Institute study.
A Baylor study found a relationship between gut bacteria and social behaviors in mice. When will the first probiotic pub open?
The Journal Neurology published a study showing an increased risk of autism in mothers with epilepsy, particularly those who had childhood epilepsy. The study does not account for the effects of some epilepsy medication during pregnancy which has previously been found associated with a higher risk of autism.
The race to understand Zika and its relationship to pregnancy was in part aided by techniques perfected for research into autism. Thankfully Zika vaccine testing on humans will begin soon.
Dysfunction in a mothers immune system during pregnancy may be linked with a distinct group with autism and intellectual disability according to a UC Davis MIND Institute study.
A Baylor study found a relationship between gut bacteria and social behaviors in mice. When will the first probiotic pub open?
The Journal Neurology published a study showing an increased risk of autism in mothers with epilepsy, particularly those who had childhood epilepsy. The study does not account for the effects of some epilepsy medication during pregnancy which has previously been found associated with a higher risk of autism.
The race to understand Zika and its relationship to pregnancy was in part aided by techniques perfected for research into autism. Thankfully Zika vaccine testing on humans will begin soon.
But you have to be able to understand that if you don't vaccinate and your kid gets other kids seriously sick, you have impacted their freedom. Many parents are incapable of making an informed choice in this matter and the noise from unscientific parties does not help the matter. The flu vaccine gets people sick every year. Some die. But the net impact of the vaccine is overwhelmingly positive with a massive reduction in deaths.
I wonder what the reduction actually is. patk89, many of us grew up without a flu vaccine and never heard of many dying from the flu. All else equal, get the vaccine but it's not like the flu was a major contributor of death in this country.
Yes, you're absolutely right. Asperger Syndrome, for example, a social developmental disorder, has been reclassified as an Autism spectrum disorder.
Maybe it was warranted maybe it wasn't but it would be responsible for at least a small increase in the numbers just due to volume.
Jenny McCarthy is so hot....................I don't care how crazy she is.Maybe its milk that causes autism then? A high % of autistic kids drank milk so it must be the cause. Makes as much sense as vaccines being the culprit. I tend to listen to scientists and doctors when getting my medical info, not a former playboy playmate.
And how many outbreaks are started by vaccinated children? How many vaccinated kids end up getting sick during these outbreaks anyway? How many parents are diligent with booster shots? What are the results of 25 years worth of immunized children getting chicken pox in their 50's and 60's?
1918: Spanish Flu, 675,000 US citizens died.
1957: Asian Flu, 70,000 US citizens died.
If these other kids are vaccinated already, how do unvaccinated kids get them sick? They shouldn't have to worry. That's what I don't understand.
Also, where have Typhoid Fever, Scarlet and Yellow Fever, and a whole host of other diseases without vaccines gone? Improved hygine, clean water, etc.
Seriously, thousands of people die annually from the flu. Just because people haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Also - I'm a bit conflicted here. On one hand, I support anti-vaxers right to not vaccinate their children - in hopes that over the long term, it will reduce the idiot population.
On the other hand, those unvaccinated kids can get kids who are immunocompromised or otherwise unable to receive vaccines sick.
So it's kind of a win lose. I'll protect sick kids and hope the unvaccinated kids learn that their parents were idiots who put them in danger for no good reason other than to be hip - like the morons from Canada who thought their kid would be cured of meningitis by maple syrup.
On the other hand, those unvaccinated kids can get kids who are immunocompromised or otherwise unable to receive vaccines sick.
So it's kind of a win lose. I'll protect sick kids and hope the unvaccinated kids learn that their parents were idiots who put them in danger for no good reason other than to be hip - like the morons from Canada who thought their kid would be cured of meningitis by maple syrup.
The more kids who are unvaccinated in the population - the greater likelihood that kids who can't get vaccinated with encounter one of them. Typhoid is still a 3rd world malady (if you go, you should get a vaccine) that's largely been eliminated in the US through vaccination.
The makes me LOL! There is a
Major YF outbreak in Africa right now because folks stopped producing the vaccine. Try traveling over seas and they will recommend typhoid and a whole host of vaccines.
Dirty little secret people aren't afraid of disease in the US because VACCINES WORK! Ask a doctor in their 40/50s if the have see a patient with smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, typhoid.
Guess what pneumococcal, menegitis, and varicella diseases are all headed the same way in this country because of vaccines
+1. I actually had to get the typhoid vaccine before traveling India (you know, small country no one has ever heard of...).
I don't know if you are a contrarian or simply naive? Suggest reading this factual investigation of Wakefield by investigative journalist, Brian Deer. http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm
Wakefield and his colleagues concocted a scheme to discredit Merck's MMR vaccine so they could rush to the market with their own version.
In another reply you indicated that the CDC hid data, yet Hooker was able to get his hands on it and develop unique conclusions about vaccinated black youths and autism. The information was never lost. it's available through PubMed for anyone to analyze. How come no one has ever come to the same conclusions as Hooker and Thompson? Vast CDC, FDA, AAP and Big Pharma conspiracy?
I know all about Wakefield. Thompson claims the CDC destroyed evidence I.e. Meeting notes that discussed how they would manipulate the data. I never said they destroyed the experiment data. My concerns are more about the lack of investigation into Thompsons claims. Additionally, why don't you bring 100 analysts and the data to my office and we can all come up with different answers. Data analysis is exact. However the assumptions made in every analysis cause variation in conclusions.
It's unusual to read conspiracy theory opinions that don't include phrases like this. It goes hand in hand with things like a letter to some sort of "user" generated cnn thing, theories of whole US government agencies intentionally inflcting disease on its citizenry's children, and years old stories of a lone wolf who knows the truth but has somehow been hidden away. These stories and descriptions of the theories are, for the most part, effective at one thing: convincing the reader to place it directly into the "nutty stuff" file, where other things like this reside. It's not that people don't hear about it or care or need to be woken up. It's that their stupid crap radar goes off way early on this, as it should.
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Just on a personal note, this was a major reason why Tyler didn't go back to school for 3 months after his treatment ended.
This is ignorant beyond description. I will stop there. Jonas Salk must be turning over in his grave.
What % of kids can't get vaccinated? Why can't they get vaccinated? As spanky said you have kids who underwent cancer treatment. Who else?
It is easy to sit on the majority side and poke fun but the beauty of the unvaccinated is that their very existence has have created a ton of information information. The CDC was directed by congress years ago to do a study of Autism rates amongst vaccinated and un-vaccinated children. They have not done it to date surprisingly! However incidental evidence shows that Autism rates in the Amish population is virtually non-existant. Similar to Autism rates in the general population prior to MMR. Additionally, a simple analysis of pediatrician practices targeting un-vaccinated children likewise shows little to no Autism.
Maybe some of you guys can help out here. You would think the CDC wants to know the answer to this. Why have they not done the study?? (and please don't tell me it's to hard to control for environmental and genetic differences when we have the same issue in every study). Maybe you can tell us what are the magical environmental issues in the unvaccinated population that makes this so.
Maybe some of you guys can help out here. You would think the CDC wants to know the answer to this. Why have they not done the study?? (and please don't tell me it's to hard to control for environmental and genetic differences when we have the same issue in every study). Maybe you can tell us what are the magical environmental issues in the unvaccinated population that makes this so.
Yeah this one is pretty shocking - and easily remedied by Google. 36,000 people die each year in the US from complications of the flu. 200,000 more are hospitalized.
Kids who are too young. Kids with allergies to certain medicines. There are many diseases that lead to people being immunocompromised.
Are those CDC numbers? They can't be trusted!
If you're going to copy and paste stuff off of an anti-vaxer site, can you also at least verify that it's true before posting the nonsense here. 85% of Amish do vaccinate. The low incidence of autism among the Amish probably is indicative of a genetic link to autism, since it's a smaller population that is somewhat bottlenecked - which again, demolishes the argument anti-vaxers have.
BTW - thanks for the feedback. You should follow it. 85% of Amish parents vaccinate at least 1 child. 68% of children get at least 1 vaccine.
And the low rate of Autism amongst unvaccinated non-Amish children is caused by.....
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Willis - If I haven't told you already, I want to say you really add a ton to this board.
so basically really young and really sick people. So I should have to get the Flu vaccine so people I have zero contact with might get sick if I get sick?
Is it possible that you might run into a family member who is elderly or sick? An infant? Perhaps sit next to someone at the PSU game whose medical status you don't know? Maybe on a plane?
