OT: First winter storm end of week?

[NickRU714]

Gladstone Branch off NJ Transit closed this morning.
Have to go to Summit to catch train.

Not me. Working from home.

 

[MadRU]

sounds like sleet here hitting the windows

 

[wonchobody]

The fact of the matter is, if they treated yesterday's forecast as if it was in December, we would've had half of what happened yesterday. 5 hours of traffic is not "a little traffic". Nobody is reporting on this as if this was a major crisis. Guess what, it was. When Georgia had what happened to them, it was at the top of CNN homepage and they're not equipped to handle snow, we are. Not one media outlet is demanding accountability. It's so strange. At least when Christie and Bloomberg were around, they would recognize emergencies as they were happening and setup a command center and make hourly reports. Where were the Govs and DeBlasio? They just shrugged it off. My sister literally peed in her car seat because she was stuck on the FDR for 5 hours without moving an inch. I could only imagine how many medical emergencies are not being reported by the local news either. They are barely addressing a thing. We've had worse storms than this. If they prepared for 4 inches as NWS was forecasting as the max, they would've been prepared. We've had worse than this last year at around the same time of day. They did the same exact thing during the first snow last year. They didn't prep for crap and only sent out plows 5 hours too late. Only they were lucky there was no major accident on the GWB.

 

[RUPete]

Here's what I posted on 33andrain in response to basically the same post I made above. Lots of good discussion about it going on...

So, in light of the massive bust from the NWS (and I love those guys, but a bust is a bust) and every major media source I saw, especially for the 95 corridro, I go back to this post and I say to myself, ok, I guess they missed badly on all 3 factors that might've made them underpredict the snowfall:

• Very low snow ratios of 4-5:1 (nope, they looked like 10:1 to me),
• Much of the frozen precip falling as sleet (nope, it was mostly snow)
• Significant melting of the early part of the snowfall (nope, it accumulated from the get-go - I know I got that one right)

Would love to know what went on in those meetings at the NWS, where they clearly saw the Euro consistently churning out 4-8" snowfalls (at 10:1 ratios) for Philly to NYC along/near I-95 - from what I recall the Euro was consistent on that for the last 3 days. Furthemore, they saw the NAM over the previous 24-36 hours before the storm consistently showing significant snowfalls for the 95 corridor (except for the Ferrier algorithm for the 3 km NAM, which obviously needs some tweaking, lol). The new GFS (FV3) was also quite snowy for the 95 corridor.

The Euro is the best global model, as everyone knows, and the NAM has performed quite well in very energetic coastal storms over the past several years. If I recall correctly, only the GFS (the old one) was consistently showing only an inch or two of snow for the 95 corridor and we know that's not the best model (apart from Jan-15 - totally different setup, though). Did everyone really follow the GFS or was it simply a case of massive groupthink around climo, assuming it just couldn't snow that much in mid-Nov (despite recent history to the contrary on 10/29/11)? I'd just love to know. Wonder if the NWS will do an "after action review" to look at what happened. Thoughts? Maybe this should be a separate thread...

I am going with the November climo theory. I admit it played a role in my planning and I screwed up.

 

[mikemarc1]

The fact of the matter is, if they treated yesterday's forecast as if it was in December, we would've had half of what happened yesterday. 5 hours of traffic is not "a little traffic". Nobody is reporting on this as if this was a major crisis. Guess what, it was. When Georgia had what happened to them, it was at the top of CNN homepage and they're not equipped to handle snow, we are. Not one media outlet is demanding accountability. It's so strange. At least when Christie and Bloomberg were around, they would recognize emergencies as they were happening and setup a command center and make hourly reports. Where were the Govs and DeBlasio? They just shrugged it off. My sister literally peed in her car seat because she was stuck on the FDR for 5 hours without moving an inch. I could only imagine how many medical emergencies are not being reported by the local news either. They are barely addressing a thing. We've had worse storms than this. If they prepared for 4 inches as NWS was forecasting as the max, they would've been prepared. We've had worse than this last year at around the same time of day. They did the same exact thing during the first snow last year. They didn't prep for crap and only sent out plows 5 hours too late. Only they were lucky there was no major accident on the GWB.

Just turned on Good Day NY and they were interviewing the NYC sanitation superintendent who REFUSED to say they were not prepared.

The anchor basically called her a liar. Saying they absolutely were not prepared and there job was to be prepared.

This goes for NJ as well

 

[wonchobody]

Just turned on Good Day NY and they were interviewing the NYC sanitation superintendent who REFUSED to say they were not prepared.

The anchor basically called her a liar. Saying they absolutely were not prepared and there job was to be prepared.

This goes for NJ as well

It's about time somebody took somebody to task. It was eerily quiet from the people in charge between the hours of 3 and 10 yesterday. I mean I don't even like Christie, but recognize that he tries to thrive in emergency situations. I talked to a snow plow guy at the bagel shop this morning and he had to plow around rt 80 for DOT and said that they were told to go out at least an hour later than they should've been. Amazing

 

[MORRISCOUNTY]

Left Parsippany yesterday at 2:15 to go to Union to pick up a family member from work. Got home at 8:15. 6 hours to go 34 miles round trip.

Hundreds of cars abandoned around Short Hills and Florham Park.

Dozens of trucks unable to get up hills. Off ramps shut down in Summit and Millburn.

I did not see one State Police officer. Did not see one plow.

My 4x4 is a machine and did not miss a beat.

This was worse than times when I traveled in 34 inches of snow.

No salt was put down. No plowing was done. I was going through 8 inches of snow while other cars were sliding down hills.

The State, The County and the towns were not prepared or ready for this.

They failed. They had one job to do and they failed.

 

[BIGTENITCH]

Snowing heavily in Bridgewater at 7:30am. Has been snowing for 45 minutes give or take-heavy sleet before that. Bridgewater schools are closed for a snow day. If Bridgewater is closed then moSt of the northern part of state should be closed .

 

[MadRU]

Wintry mix now here, rain, sleet, and snow

 

[BIGTENITCH]

The fact of the matter is, if they treated yesterday's forecast as if it was in December, we would've had half of what happened yesterday. 5 hours of traffic is not "a little traffic". Nobody is reporting on this as if this was a major crisis. Guess what, it was. When Georgia had what happened to them, it was at the top of CNN homepage and they're not equipped to handle snow, we are. Not one media outlet is demanding accountability. It's so strange. At least when Christie and Bloomberg were around, they would recognize emergencies as they were happening and setup a command center and make hourly reports. Where were the Govs and DeBlasio? They just shrugged it off. My sister literally peed in her car seat because she was stuck on the FDR for 5 hours without moving an inch. I could only imagine how many medical emergencies are not being reported by the local news either. They are barely addressing a thing. We've had worse storms than this. If they prepared for 4 inches as NWS was forecasting as the max, they would've been prepared. We've had worse than this last year at around the same time of day. They did the same exact thing during the first snow last year. They didn't prep for crap and only sent out plows 5 hours too late. Only they were lucky there was no major accident on the GWB.

 

[mdh2003]

This was worse than times when I traveled in 34 inches of snow.

Is this your 4x4?

 

[NickRU714]

Texted my mom saying I was working from home.

She sent back a picture of her and her coworkers/teachers who had slept at a West Orange middle school saying "Get to work. We are already at work!"

 

[Kodiak King]

Texted my mom saying I was working from home.

She sent back a picture of her and her coworkers/teachers who had slept at a West Orange middle school saying "Get to work. We are already at work!"

Lol! Tell her to wake up my son. He’s actually in central 6th. Had to stay the night too.

 

[BIGTENITCH]

Woah be me. Your sister and all complaining should try living in a midsize Toyota like I've been since October 27th . Actually in lucky i estimate hundreds living on the street and homeless just in the small Somerville area alone. There are many living in the train stations up both the Raritan valley and Northeast corridor lines. If sis is into the golden shower thing i oft have plenty of time in the overnight...

If

 

[linzalonic]

Woah be me. Your sister and all complaining should try living in a midsize Toyota like I've been since October 27th . Actually in lucky i estimate hundreds living on the street and homeless just in the small Somerville area alone. There are many living in the train stations up both the Raritan valley and Northeast corridor lines. If sis is into the golden shower thing i oft have plenty of time in the overnight...

If

Que?

 

[wonchobody]

Woah be me. Your sister and all complaining should try living in a midsize Toyota like I've been since October 27th . Actually in lucky i estimate hundreds living on the street and homeless just in the small Somerville area alone. There are many living in the train stations up both the Raritan valley and Northeast corridor lines. If sis is into the golden shower thing i oft have plenty of time in the overnight...

If

And not doing anything about yesterday, would've made your situation better? I'm sorry about your situation, really I am. I've been there. But I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to piss in the car you've been sleeping in because you can't get out of it. And if you had a choice, would you have wanted to be stuck in this historic level of traffic to get to and from work? I'm not trying to make any assumptions about how you are living, but you certainly are pointing out how your problems are much worse compared to everybody else even if it's justified. I'm pointing out how these problems could have been handled better because they usually are.

 

[BIGTENITCH]

Part of the reasre everyone was caught off guard is that sans that freak October snowstorm i dont remember and snows let alone underestimated November snow events in my 55 years. People prepared for a minor 1-3 inch slushy mix. Call
Ed

 

[wonchobody]

Again they had information up here from NWS that worse case scenario was 4 inches of snow. If they had prepared for that they would've handled it better and roads wouldn't have blocked for emergency personnel to get where they're needed. In December to March, they brine the roads the night before most instances, but because it's November they didn't. Just because it's November doesn't make the snow or road conditions different. There was snow forecast since last week and upto 3 inches forecast since Monday which turned into 4-5 inches forecast Wednesday night. Maybe they were off guard, maybe they wanted to save a buck and logistical headache.

 

[sport2231]

they have private forecasters who tell them the weather...they ****ed up...all of them did.

99% of people dont follow weather boards or pay attention to anything other than what Lonnie Quinn or Lee Goldberg tells them on the nightly forecast or a quick glance at weather.com

the peoples who job this is to have done better is the nws and other meteorologists

I’m sorry, that’s a really poor job of all involved, including the Governor. If your going to be a leader, as he asked to be, you have to ask some questions

Private Met: “prob most rain except for 1-3 in NW NJ.”

Gov: “Ok. I assume best case scenario is rain everywhere, but what is worst case. Let’s not alarm public but let’s have a plan in case that scenario looks like it will play out.”

Met: “Now that you mention it. The best global model in the world, and our best short term model are showing worse than I just told you.”

Either he didn’t ask enough questions or Mets purposely held back information from him

 

[krup]

Again they had information up here from NWS that worse case scenario was 4 inches of snow. If they had prepared for that they would've handled it better and roads wouldn't have blocked for emergency personnel to get where they're needed. In December to March, they brine the roads the night before most instances, but because it's November they didn't. Just because it's November doesn't make the snow or road conditions different. There was snow forecast since last week and upto 3 inches forecast since Monday which turned into 4-5 inches forecast Wednesday night. Maybe they were off guard, maybe they wanted to save a buck and logistical headache.

I will probably get blasted for bring "politics" into it, but I can't help but feel that many of these towns are under so much pressure to control their budgets in other operating areas because police and teacher salaries are so high, they rolled the dice on yesterday's storms because they knew spending significant storm money in November means their snow removal budget will likely run out in February.

 

[TM514]

The NWS HAS to get better with their forecasts . I understand scientific research and the use of algorithms and models to predict an outcome. Someone needs to objectively review these computer model programming being used, instrumentation, and how the data is processed and forecast decision process. There are too many lives impacted, resources being utilized with these inaccurate forecast models. This includes summer time rain storms as well. I don't how that study would be mandated, congressional committe perhaps, but forecasting has to improve.

 

[LevaosLectures]

My GOD, my morning commute was horrible this morning. 208 in Wyckoff/Franklin Lakes/Hawthorne was extremely dangerous. I'm glad I made it alive. Now the sun is out!

 

[TM514]

And another 2-3" overnight in Montgomery county PA. So much for that rain after 8pm LOL

 

[bac2therac]

Part of the issue was that when everyone is clogging the roads after 2 pm it becomes much harder for the crews to do their jobs...much harder..everyone went to work which normally doesnt happen when it snows 1-2 inches an hour which it did between 2-4pm. Mets blew it big time because the public treated it as a regula day and minor event. Could the state have done better..probably but everyones anger should go toward forecastera...and absolutely loathe Murphy and every single thing this fake man stands for but im not blaming him here

 

[krup]

Part of the issue was that when everyone is clogging the roads after 2 pm it becomes much harder for the crews to do their jobs...much harder..everyone went to work which normally doesnt happen when it snows 1-2 inches an hour which it did between 2-4pm. Mets blew it big time because the public treated it as a regula day and minor event. Could the state have done better..probably but everyones anger should go toward forecastera...and absolutely loathe Murphy and every single thing this fake man stands for but im not blaming him here

Out here in eastern PA the schools closed by noon, yet not a plow on the road from 2-4 when the roads were empty and piling up with snow, then the same disaster during evening rush as NJ.

You can’t blame the forecasters for them not reacting even as the “unexpected” snow was piling up in real time.

 

[MGSA99]

Sounds like this storm hit the bullseye in terms of timing to turn the area into a nightmare. Had this storm hit after or before work hours or on a weekend this would have been a nonissue.

 

[SouthJerseyRU]

If sis is into the golden shower thing i oft have plenty of time in the overnight...

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Not one media outlet is demanding accountability. It's so strange.

This is the problem when the major networks news stations are NOT in this state. And the S-L/NJ.com is not going to slam the new Democrat Governor. Rutgers suffers from this as well.. no real local TV to serve this state.

In most states there would be locally owned (at least originally locally-owned) network affiliate TV stations with local news devoted to their city/state. Here we have network-owned stations only focused on major cities.. NYC and Philly. We are probably the only state in America in that situation. Even little Rhodes Island has NBC and CBS and FOX stations in Providence.

 

[jtung230]

I will probably get blasted for bring "politics" into it, but I can't help but feel that many of these towns are under so much pressure to control their budgets in other operating areas because police and teacher salaries are so high, they rolled the dice on yesterday's storms because they knew spending significant storm money in November means their snow removal budget will likely run out in February.

We should be like the south. Shut it all down when snow is forecasted. Soooo much money saved.

Somehow I see you blasting the towns for over preparing as mismanagement if we only got 1-3 inches.

 

[wonchobody]

But north jersey and NYC NWS had the forecast up to at least 4 to 5 inches the night before. No excuses there. All the traffic started there and extended outward to the rt 80's 78's and 280's and 95. They had the forecast. They knew it would start around 1 or 2. They had plenty of time from Wednesday night until 1 pm to make moves.

 

[mikemarc1]

Sounds like this storm hit the bullseye in terms of timing to turn the area into a nightmare. Had this storm hit after or before work hours or on a weekend this would have been a nonissue.

Had the state been prepared, this would have been a nonissue as well.

 

[jtung230]

But north jersey and NYC NWS had the forecast up to at least 4 to 5 inches the night before. No excuses there. All the traffic started there and extended outward to the rt 80's 78's and 280's and 95. They had the forecast. They knew it would start around 1 or 2. They had plenty of time from Wednesday night until 1 pm to make moves.

The morning report I saw said 1-3 with most getting rain. Snow was forecasted north west of NY. We had 3” by 3pm. It was also supposed to change over to rain last night / this morning. It didn’t, more snow.

 

[wonchobody]

Not for me. I checked both for bergen county and nyc and both said up to 4 inches on Wednesday night. I saw it up to 5 inches earlier in the day Wednesday. If you look up specific zip codes they actually give you different amounts. I was checking every hour for two zip codes for three days straight. It started as up to 1 inch then gradually moved up to 2 inches on tuedsay. On wednesday night it jumped up again. NYC I saw anywhere from 1 - 3" with it peaking at 4 the night before. In my town, it read up to 5 or 6" and we are not inland towards the northwest. At any rate, if it says 1 - 3" for during the day it means between the time they say it starts (around 1 pm) to 7 pm. Not as bad but definitely enough to cause problems during rush hour. They usually get started before noon when the forecast says it will start around 1 PM. And the snow started closer to 2 pm a full hour later.

 

[wonchobody]

DT even predicted up to 7 inches for our area (northeast). FWIW

 

[krup]

We should be like the south. Shut it all down when snow is forecasted. Soooo much money saved.

Somehow I see you blasting the towns for over preparing as mismanagement if we only got 1-3 inches.

Well you would be wrong, then.

 

[NickKnight 1]

$150 for a Purple Lot pass? You hit the lottery.

Last week I sold one michigan purple for $100 both buyers said it was very cheap
compared to stub hub.

 

[bac2therac]

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

DELAWARE

...Kent County...
Smyrna 0.5 822 AM 11/16 DEOS

...New Castle County...
2 S Newark 4.5 217 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS
Bear 4.0 249 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Hockessin 3.3 819 AM 11/16 DEOS
Glasgow 3.1 821 AM 11/16 DEOS
New Castle County Ai 3.0 700 PM 11/15 ASOS
New Castle 2.9 820 AM 11/16 DEOS
Claymont 2.9 819 AM 11/16 DEOS
Newark 2.7 820 AM 11/16 DEOS
Port Penn 1.7 821 AM 11/16 DEOS

MARYLAND

...Cecil County...
Port Deposit 4.0 214 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
5 NW Elkton 3.4 754 AM 11/16 CoCoRaHS
North East 0.5 103 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

NEW JERSEY

...Atlantic County...
Estell Manor 0.4 1125 AM 11/15 Snow and sleet.
Atlantic City Intl A T 700 AM 11/16 ASOS

...Burlington County...
Florence 4.2 552 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Crosswicks 4.0 512 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Medford 4.0 536 PM 11/15 Social Media
Mount Laurel 3.8 245 PM 11/15 NWS Employee
1 ESE Westampton Twp 3.6 100 PM 11/15 Official NWS Obs
Mount Holly WFO 3.6 700 AM 11/16 NWS Office
Bordentown 3.5 309 PM 11/15 Social Media
Marlton 3.5 513 PM 11/15 Meteorologist
Westampton Twp 3.2 200 PM 11/15 Meteorologist
Presidential Lakes 1.5 212 PM 11/15 Social Media
Hainesport Twp 1.4 118 PM 11/15 Meteorologist
1 SW Hainesport Twp 1.4 115 PM 11/15 In past 3 hours

...Camden County...
1 E Merchantville 4.5 311 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Somerdale 3.3 315 PM 11/15 Co-Op Observer
Lindenwold 3.2 229 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Bellmawr 3.1 350 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

...Gloucester County...
West Deptford 4.0 816 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 S Wenonah 3.5 126 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Mantua Twp 3.5 340 PM 11/15 Social Media
Washington Twp 3.3 145 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Mullica Hill 3.0 120 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Newfield 2.8 128 PM 11/15 Snow changing to sleet.
Pitman 1.6 155 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
East Greenwich Twp 0.7 103 PM 11/15 Emergency Manager

...Hunterdon County...
Lebanon 8.3 733 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Kingwood Twp 7.0 812 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 W Readington Twp 6.8 805 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
White House Station 6.3 724 AM 11/16 Meteorologist
Readington Twp 5.3 748 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 S Clinton Twp 5.0 600 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Flemington 4.5 400 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
3 S East Amwell Twp 1.0 212 PM 11/15 In past 30 minutes.

...Mercer County...
1 NE Princeton Twp 5.4 800 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Princeton 4.0 409 PM 11/15 Broadcast Media
Ewing Twp 4.0 415 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Hamilton Twp 3.8 420 PM 11/15 Social Media
East Windsor Twp 1.5 319 PM 11/15 Broadcast Media

...Middlesex County...
Edison 6.3 615 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Woodbridge Twp 5.0 541 PM 11/15 Social Media
Spotswood 4.5 700 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
East Brunswick 4.0 600 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
New Brunswick 3.0 215 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Old Bridge 2.0 530 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS

...Monmouth County...
2 NNE West Freehold 3.2 300 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Middletown 2.5 350 PM 11/15 Social Media
Keyport 2.0 213 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Matawan 2.0 234 PM 11/15 Social Media

...Morris County...
Green Pond 7.6 830 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 NNE Lake Telemark 7.5 1032 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Mount Arlington 7.5 745 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Butler 7.2 815 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Morristown 7.2 735 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Randolph Twp 7.0 745 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS
2 ESE Victory Garden 6.8 900 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Rockaway 6.4 851 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Roxbury Twp 6.0 530 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS

...Salem County...
Carneys Point 3.0 108 PM 11/15 Public
Pennsville 2.8 353 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

...Somerset County...
Bridgewater Twp 7.5 749 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
3 NW Bridgewater Twp 7.0 757 AM 11/16 CoCoRaHS
Basking Ridge 6.0 754 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Somerset 6.0 541 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 W Somerset 5.5 530 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Hillsborough Twp 5.0 539 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Branchburg Twp 4.0 401 PM 11/15 Social Media
Bernardsville 2.1 342 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

...Sussex County...
Highland Lake 10.2 804 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Montague 10.2 902 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
4 SW Wantage 9.0 816 AM 11/16 Meteorologist
Vernon Twp 7.2 820 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Sparta Twp 6.5 716 AM 11/16 CoCoRaHS
Hardyston Twp 6.4 647 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS

...Warren County...
2 ESE Blairstown Twp 8.6 812 AM 11/16 CoCoRaHS
Allamuchy Twp 7.3 743 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Oxford 7.0 600 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Washington 7.0 630 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS
Hackettstown 6.2 515 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 NNE Greenwich Twp 6.1 600 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Blairstown Twp 6.0 626 PM 11/15 Social Media
2 ESE Blairstown 6.0 600 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS
Frelinghuysen Twp 4.0 455 PM 11/15 Social Media

PENNSYLVANIA

...Berks County...
Kutztown 8.0 558 PM 11/15 Social Media
1 N Longswamp Twp 8.0 643 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Reading 8.0 539 PM 11/15 Social Media
Bernville 7.1 400 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
District Twp 6.6 750 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Hamburg 6.5 501 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
West Lawn 6.0 254 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 NNE Earl Twp 6.0 400 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
4 SW Reading 5.5 511 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS
Shillington 4.0 213 PM 11/15 Social Media

...Bucks County...
Springtown 8.5 455 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Hilltown Twp 5.5 756 AM 11/16 NWS Employee
Quakertown 5.5 538 PM 11/15 Social Media
2 SSW Buckingham Twp 5.2 525 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Langhorne 5.2 519 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Morrisville 5.0 211 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 NNE Milford Twp 5.0 850 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Perkasie 5.0 300 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Chalfont 4.9 1035 PM 11/15 Social Media
3 NNE Langhorne 4.6 637 AM 11/16 Meteorologist
1 NNW Langhorne 4.5 350 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Bensalem 4.5 338 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 WNW Plumstead Twp 2.5 221 PM 11/15 Social Media

...Carbon County...
Lehighton 10.0 745 PM 11/15 Broadcast Media
Albrightsville 9.8 817 AM 11/16 Social Media
Franklin Twp 5.5 600 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS

...Chester County...
Valley Forge 5.7 731 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Elverson 5.4 423 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Malvern 5.0 245 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Glenmoore 4.6 823 AM 11/16 DEOS
West Chester 4.1 822 AM 11/16 DEOS
East Nantmeal Twp 4.0 201 PM 11/15 Social Media
Exton 3.7 121 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Atglen 3.7 823 AM 11/16 DEOS
1 WNW Berwyn 3.3 350 PM 11/15 CoCoRaHS
2 N East Marlborough 3.0 110 PM 11/15 Social Media

...Delaware County...
1 N Radnor Twp 5.5 623 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Chadds Ford Twp 4.7 215 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 SE Thornbury Twp 4.0 149 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Drexel Hill 1.5 1206 PM 11/15 Social Media

...Lehigh County...
1 SE Washington Twp 8.6 915 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Salisbury Twp 8.2 801 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
Lehigh Valley Intl A 8.1 657 AM 11/16 ASOS
1 SSW Heidelberg Twp 7.8 755 PM 11/15 Social Media
Zionsville 7.3 825 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
1 N Coopersburg 7.0 538 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
North Whitehall Twp 7.0 515 PM 11/15 Social Media
Alburtis 6.5 545 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 NE Ancient Oaks 6.5 500 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
2 ENE Emmaus 6.1 415 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 SW Zionsville 5.8 800 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 S Allentown 4.5 300 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

...Monroe County...
Mount Pocono 10.4 723 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
East Stroudsburg 8.5 700 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Analomink 7.5 709 PM 11/15 County Official
Long Pond 7.0 708 PM 11/15 County Official
Gilbert 6.0 709 PM 11/15 County Official

...Montgomery County...
Gilbertsville 6.5 623 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
1 ESE Perkiomen Twp 5.3 500 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Pottstown 5.2 400 PM 11/15 Social Media
King Of Prussia 5.0 403 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
North Wales 4.9 545 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
East Norriton Twp 4.8 550 PM 11/15 Social Media
1 SW Narberth 4.5 337 PM 11/15 Broadcast Media
1 W Ambler 4.5 326 PM 11/15 Still snowing.
Plymouth Meeting 4.5 400 PM 11/15 Social Media
1 NE Lower Providenc 4.5 428 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 SSW Narberth 3.8 130 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
1 WSW Narberth 3.8 200 PM 11/15 Changed to sleet.
Ambler 3.5 156 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

...Northampton County...
Williams Twp 9.6 1225 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
1 WNW Bethlehem Twp 8.5 818 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Hellertown 8.0 711 AM 11/16 Social Media
Bethlehem 8.0 546 PM 11/15 Social Media
North Catasauqua 7.7 620 AM 11/16 Social Media
1 SW Lower Mount Bet 7.3 731 AM 11/16 Trained Spotter
1 SSW Lower Mount Be 6.6 700 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Bushkill Twp 6.5 635 PM 11/15 Fire Dept/Rescue
Plainfield Twp 6.0 502 PM 11/15 Social Media
Bangor 5.7 536 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter
Bath 5.0 815 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

...Philadelphia County...
Philadelphia Intl Ai 3.6 700 PM 11/15 ASOS
1 S Wissinoming 3.0 408 PM 11/15 Fire Dept/Rescue
Philadelphia 3.0 110 PM 11/15 Public
2 E Lower Moreland T 2.2 601 PM 11/15 Trained Spotter

 

[bac2therac]

But north jersey and NYC NWS had the forecast up to at least 4 to 5 inches the night before. No excuses there. All the traffic started there and extended outward to the rt 80's 78's and 280's and 95. They had the forecast. They knew it would start around 1 or 2. They had plenty of time from Wednesday night until 1 pm to make moves.

you cannot plow what is not there...plows just do not appear out of thin air...there has to be a certain amount before they can serve their purpose....there was no snow at 1 in many of those locations...how about people in those areas should not have gone to work and clogged up the roads. In the West Orange case, its inexcusable given the forecasts that they did not give an early dismissal. The event started from noon to 2 and already people were bitching about seeing now plows

Most snowfall is at night when everyone is sleeping..either safely home from work or overnight or if its snowing the next day, everyone stays home. This was one of those events hitting at the worst possible time because everyone based on the METS forecast decided to give it a go and go into work. Then they flooded the roads, simple as that.

I will assume but I dont know for sure that some municipalities may not have had any salt supplies or money in the budget for more and perhaps given the forecast of a minor type event that would turn to rain decided to tough it out. The state itself should have plenty of resources to pull from.

 

[bac2therac]

Last week I sold one michigan purple for $100 both buyers said it was very cheap
compared to stub hub.

I have to start doing this...maybe with the snow on the blue and yellow lots, the purple passes may go for a small fortune today

 

[bac2therac]

Not for me. I checked both for bergen county and nyc and both said up to 4 inches on Wednesday night. I saw it up to 5 inches earlier in the day Wednesday. If you look up specific zip codes they actually give you different amounts. I was checking every hour for two zip codes for three days straight. It started as up to 1 inch then gradually moved up to 2 inches on tuedsay. On wednesday night it jumped up again. NYC I saw anywhere from 1 - 3" with it peaking at 4 the night before. In my town, it read up to 5 or 6" and we are not inland towards the northwest. At any rate, if it says 1 - 3" for during the day it means between the time they say it starts (around 1 pm) to 7 pm. Not as bad but definitely enough to cause problems during rush hour. They usually get started before noon when the forecast says it will start around 1 PM. And the snow started closer to 2 pm a full hour later.

can I ask where you are located