ADVERTISEMENT

OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
FrankZ said:
If I'm reading the tea leaves properly:
1) Sounds likely we get McCann.
2) Odorizzi likely with May/Hefner relationships.
3) Springer will either be Mets or Blue Jays.
4) Bauer ?
Click to expand...
1) does sound like McCann and I am 100% ok with that. Price is good and something about Realmuto just irks me
2) I am not a huge Odorizzi fan. I would actually be higher on a couple of Yankee rejects such as Tanaka, Happ, Paxton
3) So much smoke of him to the Met's- I feel this is Cohens biggest target - don't think he will allow us to be outbid and Springer is a local kid
4) Bauer- would love it but...I have some caution in regard to him...Is he the Cy winner or the 4.something guy he has been most of his career?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greg2020, MikeR0102 and Knight Shift
cubuffsdoug said:
Does anyone think Realmuto overplayed his hand trying to use the Mets? I understand he wasn't big on coming to NY, but as long as the Mets had an interest, it would drive up his market value. The fact that the Mets are focused elsewhere may impact his ability to command a huge contract (7 years $200+ million) he was looking for on the open market.

I think McCann fits better with the Mets as long as they get the other primary targets (Bauer and Springer. Plus, McCann doesn't lock the Mets up long term at the catcher's position while overpaying.
Click to expand...
this
 
BigLou said:
I'm still mad at my parents for not binding my right arm to my body and forcing me to be a lefty when I was young.
Click to expand...
I was changed from a left-handed kid to a right-handed one in the 1st grade in East Brunswick by a teacher, according to my parents against their wishes.. My brother and my father were both left-handed.
 
BigEastPhil said:
I disagree. Nido is awful. If your starter gets hurt, are you comfortable with Nido catching every day? We all know what the answer is. He’s a minor leaguer. I’d shuffle him off to Buffalo and upgrade at backup quite cheaply. Sign Duffy Dyer!
Click to expand...
Who is comfortable with their backup catcher catching every day??? Even the Yankees aren't happy having Sanchez as their backup.

Nido would be ok if he has to go for a 10-20 period. Shit happens. He isnt horrible with the Pitchers and it isnt like we are the old met's that usually have a team average of .230 with our best power being one guy over 20 HR
 
BigEastPhil said:
I disagree. Nido is awful. If your starter gets hurt, are you comfortable with Nido catching every day? We all know what the answer is. He’s a minor leaguer. I’d shuffle him off to Buffalo and upgrade at backup quite cheaply. Sign Duffy Dyer!
Click to expand...
Nido may not be the ideal backup, but did you watch any games this this? Nido played well. He hit over 300 for the season when called on the catch. He’s young and still has time to establish himself as a solid player.
 
cubuffsdoug said:
Nido may not be the ideal backup, but did you watch any games this this? Nido played well. He hit over 300 for the season when called on the catch. He’s young and still has time to establish himself as a solid player.
Click to expand...
Nido is a .197 career hitter. He can’t hit at the major league level. How many times I have seen him come to the plate to simply hit a fly ball or ground ball for a sacrifice run and he whiffs. I get he’s 26 but I see him as a minor leaguer and 3rd string catcher who gets called up if one of the ML catchers get hurt. I just don’t feel comfortable with Nido but for his sake he should hope the DH stays because his offensive limitations become less of an issue.
 
yesrutgers01 said:
Who is comfortable with their backup catcher catching every day??? Even the Yankees aren't happy having Sanchez as their backup.

Nido would be ok if he has to go for a 10-20 period. Shit happens. He isnt horrible with the Pitchers and it isnt like we are the old met's that usually have a team average of .230 with our best power being one guy over 20 HR
Click to expand...
Backup catchers I would sign in a heartbeat to replace Nido include Jason Castro, Mike Zunino, Wellington Castillo, Austin Romine, Alex Avila. Each of these guys would fill the role more capably than Nido. Nido’s career Batting Average is .197. Nido is a 3rd string catcher who should be playing in AAA ball and only called up if one of the ML catchers get hurt.
 
BigEastPhil said:
Backup catchers I would sign in a heartbeat to replace Nido include Jason Castro, Mike Zunino, Wellington Castillo, Austin Romine, Alex Avila. Each of these guys would fill the role more capably than Nido. Nido’s career Batting Average is .197. Nido is a 3rd string catcher who should be playing in AAA ball and only called up if one of the ML catchers get hurt.
Click to expand...
Nido is paid next to nothing- a guy like Romine is making over $4 mil per year. And is not that great of a hitter either. Castro $6 mil- 230 batter Zunino 4.5 mil for a 200 hitter- should I go on?

Hell- Yankees are debating starting a lifetime .186 hitter over a .230 hitter that slugs 35 HR's in a year.

So, if you are saying Nido is 3rd string- what the hell are these teams thinking giving $4 mil and more per year to guys not much better or maybe not even as good?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greg2020
yesrutgers01 said:
Nido is paid next to nothing- a guy like Romine is making over $4 mil per year. And is not that great of a hitter either. Castro $6 mil- 230 batter Zunino 4.5 mil for a 200 hitter- should I go on?

Hell- Yankees are debating starting a lifetime .186 hitter over a .230 hitter that slugs 35 HR's in a year.

So, if you are saying Nido is 3rd string- what the hell are these teams thinking giving $4 mil and more per year to guys not much better or maybe not even as good?
Click to expand...
This is not about how much a player makes. It’s about backup catchers and how Nido is not very good. To upgrade, you need to spend money and to sign a Jason Castro type, it ll be a lot less than $4-6M.
 
MadRU said:
McCann is a lifetime.249 hitter
Click to expand...
Last 2 years he’s hit about .275 as a starter.with good pop
He’s also 30 years old or so but not much wear and tear. I like him. He’s not a superstar but should be a capable solid catcher if he can handle New York and stays healthy. . What Realmuto wants is insane money though I’m sure he won’t get anywhere near it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greg2020 and yesrutgers01
I think Realmuto is better served going for a single year big $ contract and re-enter a much better free agency season in 2021-2022.
 
BigEastPhil said:
Last 2 years he’s hit about .275 as a starter.with good pop
He’s also 30 years old or so but not much wear and tear. I like him. He’s not a superstar but should be a capable solid catcher if he can handle New York and stays healthy. . What Realmuto wants is insane money though I’m sure he won’t get anywhere near it.
Click to expand...

And Nido hit .292 last year, has just over 250 lifetime at bats. If McCann, who I like is the starter based on 2 good years, I am fine with Nido as a backup as a younger catcher.
 
MadRU said:
And Nido hit .292 last year, has just over 250 lifetime at bats. If McCann, who I like is the starter based on 2 good years, I am fine with Nido as a backup as a younger catcher.
Click to expand...
Nido’s .292 average was off 24 At bats however. You can’t draw a conclusion from such a small sample. His lifetime .197 average is much more indicative. Hopefully you’re right on Nido but I am not as optimistic as I see him as a liability if McCann should get hurt because he can’t hit.
 
BigEastPhil said:
Nido’s .292 average was off 24 At bats however. You can’t draw a conclusion from such a small sample. His lifetime .197 average is much more indicative. Hopefully you’re right on Nido but I am not as optimistic as I see him as a liability if McCann should get hurt because he can’t hit.
Click to expand...

His entire career is a small sample size so far. I rather spend money on starting pitching, centerfield, bullpen, and a starting catcher than a backup catcher.
 
MadRU said:
His entire career is a small sample size so far. I rather spend money on starting pitching, centerfield, bullpen, and a starting catcher than a backup catcher.
Click to expand...
Backup Catcher comes in about worry number 15 - now, if the Met's decide to give a minor league contract to a guy that is a bit older with a decent career or something like that- I am fine with it but to drop 4-5 mil on guys mentioned and then bitch about Diaz and guys like that getting $5 mil...I would rather drop an extra 4-5 mil on the bullpen or to entice a number 2/3 type starter to come play for us
 
BigEastPhil said:
Nido is a .197 career hitter. He can’t hit at the major league level. How many times I have seen him come to the plate to simply hit a fly ball or ground ball for a sacrifice run and he whiffs. I get he’s 26 but I see him as a minor leaguer and 3rd string catcher who gets called up if one of the ML catchers get hurt. I just don’t feel comfortable with Nido but for his sake he should hope the DH stays because his offensive limitations become less of an issue.
Click to expand...
I love how you mentioned Nido is not a good hitter, then go on to talk up McCann by saying he hit .275 over the last two seasons. MadRU mentioned McCann is a .249 lifetime hitter. You can't have it both ways. Just like MadRU said, Nido's sample size is too small to be judged in the same way as McCann.

FYI: I do want McCann on the Mets this year.
 
Hopefully our biggest worry going into the season is backup catcher. I have no problem with McCann and Nido. One more big RH bat and a starting pitcher thats a 2 or a 3 in the rotation and then a couple of vet pitchers, ie Lester, Klubler to fill out the rotation.
 
BigEastPhil said:
Last 2 years he’s hit about .275 as a starter.with good pop
He’s also 30 years old or so but not much wear and tear. I like him. He’s not a superstar but should be a capable solid catcher if he can handle New York and stays healthy. . What Realmuto wants is insane money though I’m sure he won’t get anywhere near it.
Click to expand...
TBH, I rather have McCann than Realmuto. But using your logic, Nido hit 290 last year so he could be a decent backup. Hopefully to McCann.
 
cubuffsdoug said:
I love how you mentioned Nido is not a good hitter, then go on to talk up McCann by saying he hit .275 over the last two seasons. MadRU mentioned McCann is a .249 lifetime hitter. You can't have it both ways. Just like MadRU said, Nido's sample size is too small to be judged in the same way as McCann.

FYI: I do want McCann on the Mets this year.
Click to expand...
What Id like is McCann as catcher and an upgrade at backup C such as Jason Castro. Jason Castro or similar can be signed for peanuts. If Nido is as good and or promising as many seem to think, then he ll beat out Castro or similar - but he won’t. If NL doesn’t get DH, good luck with Nido and the pitcher at 8-9 in the lineup. Restroom break time. Lol. Backup catcher is important given propensity for catchers to get hurt. Mets cannot sustain Nido as its catcher for an extended period of time.
 
BigEastPhil said:
What Id like is McCann as catcher and an upgrade at backup C such as Jason Castro. Jason Castro or similar can be signed for peanuts. If Nido is as good and or promising as many seem to think, then he ll beat out Castro or similar - but he won’t. If NL doesn’t get DH, good luck with Nido and the pitcher at 8-9 in the lineup. Restroom break time. Lol. Backup catcher is important given propensity for catchers to get hurt. Mets cannot sustain Nido as its catcher for an extended period of time.
Click to expand...
Can I seriously ask how you are making your backup catcher arguments. Are you planning on offering these guys you mentioned that all have made $4mil or better last year- Castro- Almost $7 mil; something like a million or two at best or are you bringing them in at their 4-6 mil rate?
Even Castro- since 2014, he is a 216 hitter. I think the best hitter of the bunch you have mentioned is about a .230 hitter and a couple of them want no part of being backups.
For what it is worth- They are all in the Ramos salary range and not a single one of them could carry his bat to the batters box.
Nido has been there for this team over the past couple of years, he knows who he is and his role. He seems to have the respect of his teammates and pitchers. We are talking "backup" catcher. Yes, if the starter is hurt for a significant amount of time, the offense gets a little hurt but there are not that many good hitting backup catchers or they would be starters. If my backup can handle pitchers like deGrom, then I do not need an upgrade there for cash I would rather spend on a quality RP or 5th starter.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cubuffsdoug and tico brown
yesrutgers01 said:
Can I seriously ask how you are making your backup catcher arguments. Are you planning on offering these guys you mentioned that all have made $4mil or better last year- Castro- Almost $7 mil; something like a million or two at best or are you bringing them in at their 4-6 mil rate?
Even Castro- since 2014, he is a 216 hitter. I think the best hitter of the bunch you have mentioned is about a .230 hitter and a couple of them want no part of being backups.
For what it is worth- They are all in the Ramos salary range and not a single one of them could carry his bat to the batters box.
Nido has been there for this team over the past couple of years, he knows who he is and his role. He seems to have the respect of his teammates and pitchers. We are talking "backup" catcher. Yes, if the starter is hurt for a significant amount of time, the offense gets a little hurt but there are not that many good hitting backup catchers or they would be starters. If my backup can handle pitchers like deGrom, then I do not need an upgrade there for cash I would rather spend on a quality RP or 5th starter.
Click to expand...

tenor.gif
 
  • Like
Reactions: cubuffsdoug and tico brown
yesrutgers01 said:
Can I seriously ask how you are making your backup catcher arguments. Are you planning on offering these guys you mentioned that all have made $4mil or better last year- Castro- Almost $7 mil; something like a million or two at best or are you bringing them in at their 4-6 mil rate?
Even Castro- since 2014, he is a 216 hitter. I think the best hitter of the bunch you have mentioned is about a .230 hitter and a couple of them want no part of being backups.
For what it is worth- They are all in the Ramos salary range and not a single one of them could carry his bat to the batters box.
Nido has been there for this team over the past couple of years, he knows who he is and his role. He seems to have the respect of his teammates and pitchers. We are talking "backup" catcher. Yes, if the starter is hurt for a significant amount of time, the offense gets a little hurt but there are not that many good hitting backup catchers or they would be starters. If my backup can handle pitchers like deGrom, then I do not need an upgrade there for cash I would rather spend on a quality RP or 5th starter.
Click to expand...
- Most if not every of the back up catcher possibilities I mentioned will be signed at salaries MUCH LESS than what they previously made due to their back up status and due to COVID Financial Issues. Furthermore, some may even sign at the minimum or via a minor league contract. 1 year contracts are suffice for any of them. Signing a back up catcher has no financial impact upon the other needs that the team needs.

- We don’t know whether Nido is “respected “ by the pitching staff. With the exception of Degrom who I can catch, out starting staff and bullpen over the past few years have regressed. See Noah and Matz. Not saying Nido is the cause but has any pitcher said I want Nido as my exclusive catcher? No!

- Who right now is our 3rd string catcher? I don’t even know hence even more of a reason why someone needs to be signed to compete with Nido for the backup slot. And lord I hope it ain’t Rene Rivera.

- There needs to be accountability at every position which will occur under Cohen. To the life of me, carrying a catcher with a .197 career batting average and handing him the backup position is why the Mets have sucked and is the Wilpon way of running things - all financial related and not productivity related.
 
BigEastPhil said:
- Most if not every of the back up catcher possibilities I mentioned will be signed at salaries MUCH LESS than what they previously made due to their back up status and due to COVID Financial Issues. Furthermore, some may even sign at the minimum or via a minor league contract. 1 year contracts are suffice for any of them. Signing a back up catcher has no financial impact upon the other needs that the team needs.

- We don’t know whether Nido is “respected “ by the pitching staff. With the exception of Degrom who I can catch, out starting staff and bullpen over the past few years have regressed. See Noah and Matz. Not saying Nido is the cause but has any pitcher said I want Nido as my exclusive catcher? No!

- Who right now is our 3rd string catcher? I don’t even know hence even more of a reason why someone needs to be signed to compete with Nido for the backup slot. And lord I hope it ain’t Rene Rivera.

- There needs to be accountability at every position which will occur under Cohen. To the life of me, carrying a catcher with a .197 career batting average and handing him the backup position is why the Mets have sucked and is the Wilpon way of running things - all financial related and not productivity related.
Click to expand...
I can't believe we are still on this but at least try to talk with at least a little bit of sense

Bolded point 1 - I said very early on, "if we can sign them at minimum or minor league contract" but I doubt we could.
Bolded point 2 - For the love of Fvk- if you could catch a deGrom underhand throw then you should be in the major leagues. you act like being a backup catcher in MLB is something anyone can do.
Bolded point 3 - Ummmmmm- so many articles and was a huge controversy in 2019...deGrom was the first to request Nido as his personal Catcher and then Noah did the same but MC told Noah he could not do that for him
Bolded point 4 - Backup catcher is why the Met's have sucked?????? And to further that- while Nido is in fact a lifetime .197 hitter, he actually did well last year in limited time. He is 26 y/o, he gets paid almost nada and showed that maybe, just maybe, his bat could be better then that .197
As I have shown with each of your examples- even guys catching and hitting between .200-.249 are getting paid millions. Nido is a guy I am ok with on this team as a backup catcher since the Stud pitchers on the team like pitching to him. And yes, when you look at deGrom's splits in 2019 with Nido- I keep him just for that if nothing else.

I would not mind signing McCann and another guy to catch as long as the other guy was a defensive stud catcher and can hit just a little. I have no problem with that but not going to drop more than a few dollars on him and not going to worry so much if we don't.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greg2020 and tico brown
Kbee3 said:
I was changed from a left-handed kid to a right-handed one in the 1st grade in East Brunswick by a teacher, according to my parents against their wishes.. My brother and my father were both left-handed.
Click to expand...

same thing with me...and my father was a lefty too. I would have been the next Randy Johnson if I was a lefty....and I threw 40 mph faster.
 
  • Like
Reactions: yesrutgers01 and Kbee3
Kbee3 said:
I was changed from a left-handed kid to a right-handed one in the 1st grade in East Brunswick by a teacher, according to my parents against their wishes.. My brother and my father were both left-handed.
Click to expand...
Mr Magoo said:
same thing with me...and my father was a lefty too. I would have been the next Randy Johnson if I was a lefty....and I threw 40 mph faster.
Click to expand...
My teacher was a Miss Yee (sp)...mid-1950s.
 
yesrutgers01 said:
I can't believe we are still on this but at least try to talk with at least a little bit of sense

Bolded point 1 - I said very early on, "if we can sign them at minimum or minor league contract" but I doubt we could.
Bolded point 2 - For the love of Fvk- if you could catch a deGrom underhand throw then you should be in the major leagues. you act like being a backup catcher in MLB is something anyone can do.
Bolded point 3 - Ummmmmm- so many articles and was a huge controversy in 2019...deGrom was the first to request Nido as his personal Catcher and then Noah did the same but MC told Noah he could not do that for him
Bolded point 4 - Backup catcher is why the Met's have sucked?????? And to further that- while Nido is in fact a lifetime .197 hitter, he actually did well last year in limited time. He is 26 y/o, he gets paid almost nada and showed that maybe, just maybe, his bat could be better then that .197
As I have shown with each of your examples- even guys catching and hitting between .200-.249 are getting paid millions. Nido is a guy I am ok with on this team as a backup catcher since the Stud pitchers on the team like pitching to him. And yes, when you look at deGrom's splits in 2019 with Nido- I keep him just for that if nothing else.

I would not mind signing McCann and another guy to catch as long as the other guy was a defensive stud catcher and can hit just a little. I have no problem with that but not going to drop more than a few dollars on him and not going to worry so much if we don't.
Click to expand...
You should be Nido’s agent. Lol.
To your points:

1. Will happen because of COVID Financially depressed market. Revenues go down - so do free agent salaries for non critical / essential players like a back up catcher.


2/3. Both Degrom and Noah did not like pitching to Ramos. If both are in sync with McCann, you won’t hear a peep about them wanting to pitch to Nido. It wasn’t about Nido - it was about Ramos.

4. Never said that. And to say he did well last year was because he was only up 24 times. Lol. That’s not a relevant sample size.

Summary and Closing Argument : Mets need to sign another back up catcher with experience who they will sign at a low salary to compete against Nido. Every metric and every eye test shows Nido to be below par for a back up catcher. You can’t win with a catcher who hits .197 with no pop and can be thrust into the starting lineup should an injury occur.

Im sure we’ll keep track of this during the season in 2021 and now lets root for Springer,Bauer etc.
 
Here is the thing about Nido. He is out of options. If the Mets want to keep him, they must roster him, because I guaran-damn-tee you he ain't clearing waivers.

He may be somebody's AAA catcher next year, but it won't be the Mets.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Tango Two

OT: New York Mets 2023-2024 Off Season Thread

Replies
1K
Views
20K
Rutgers Football
Tango Two
Tango Two
Tango Two
  • Locked

OT: New York Mets 2021-2022 Off Season Thread

Replies
1K
Views
40K
Rutgers Football
Tango Two
Tango Two
Tango Two
  • Locked

OT: New York Yankees 2021-2022 Off Season Thread

Replies
224
Views
9K
Rutgers Football
yesrutgers01
yesrutgers01
RU848789

OT: 2021 Tropical Weather Thread - A Busy Season Predicted and Observed

Replies
19
Views
2K
Rutgers Football
DJ Spanky
DJ Spanky
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back