OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread
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If you must know, after having such success with my pleadings in the RU/Purdue game thread in the 2nd half, I am doing my best to transfer the same fruitfulness to my Metsies.
I am still on the fence with Bauer- is it worth it to sign a Pitcher for more money than deGrom who really only has 1 good full year and a good 11 starts?
Maybe go less money for other guys who could still be very good number 3 type of guys. Like a Odorizzi, Tananka or Paxton. Maybe even get two for the price and term you would have to pay Bauer.
Is this the reason the Yankees are passing on Paxton and Tananka because of money? It will cost them too much for guys who are not aces. I can't believe the Yankee are on a budget. If they sign LeMahieu, then signing another big-ticket player is out of the question. The Yankees are a typical case of the children blowing the money the parents worked hard to earn.
Wacha and Porcello haven't been solid pitchers for a few years. Those Mets owners were cheap and knew neither pitcher was worth anything, but that was all they could afford. And they were fooling the fans into thinking they were really trying to improve the team.
Any championship is going to start with
DeGrom
Conforto
Alonso
McNeil
Davis(not considered an A signing)
Smith
Noah(trade)
Rosario
Nimmo
core of the team has not been bought but nice try
Except that Porcello/Wacha are not even in the same conversation as Tanaka, Paxton, Odorizzi
While Wheeler may have actually been a safer bet than Bauer. All but one year for Wheeler has been pretty well above average and Bauer has spent majority of his career as barely average.
Met's were dumb last year as Wheeler has been very good consistently through his career. Bauer- different story...he will want a deGrom contract at worst but...who exactly is he as a pitcher- 6 years of 4plus era and 2 great years, one of them only 11 starts. He may be considered the best on the market this year but he has not pitched like a $25 mil plus guy through the large majority of his career. Based on career, he is a 2/3 starter. I would like him but not sure he will live up to a top contract. You may see a couple of the other guys available perform better than him over the next 2-4 years for much less money. He is a crap shoot that had a big 11 games at the right time.
I really think he agree to a 2 year only if the market is smart and not willing to give him $25-30 for 7 years. But if someone offers 7 at 25 per- he would sign it in a heartbeat.
2 years 40 mil and I could live with it.
I still don't think the Mets finish ahead of the Braves, Nats or maybe even the Marlins. They have consistently underperformed the last five years despite an incredible amount of talent. I hope I'm wrong.
An incredible amount of talent? I find that incredible.
Help me out with all the talent they have had over the past 5 years. This was thier best offense and the BP wasnt the worst in the league but outside of deGrom- no healthy starters
2019- some good bats and the starters held their own but we had one of the worst BP's in history
2017-2018 Really need help seeing all that talent.
I see tour current team close in talent with the Nats/Marlins and it could be argued either way. Braves still have the better team from top to bottom.
The Nats won the World Series 14 months ago. The Marlins just made the playoffs (albeit in a severely shortened season) and swept the Cubs in the first round. Neither team should be taken lightly.
In a division that includes the 2019 WS Champion Nats, the Braves and the Marlins. By the way, I wouldn't count the Nationals out on Bauer. I remember them having a loaded rotation back in 2015 and nobody thought they'd add to it, then they shocked baseball by signing Scherzer. With only one year left on Max's contract, adding Bauer makes a lot of sense for D.C.
The Nats are tight on money. Their top 3 pitchers have salaries totaling over $100 million. Starting pitching is not their problem. They have to address the bullpen, and they have no one right now. Why give another starting pitcher $25 to $30 million and have the bullpen blow the game.
The Nats did win the WS but man oh man- they were not a powerhouse during the regular season and almost didn't make it. Their run to the WS was one of the great and unexpected runs. And they were carried by a GREAT rotation. Turner, Rendon(who is no longer there) and Soto are the only really good hitters.
When the Mets win their first World Series in 35 years we can criticize other championship teams. The Nationals earned it especially considering that they had to go through the Dodgers and cheating Astros.
I just gave them the utmost respect. The same type of respect that teams like the 69 Met's get. They were not a great regular season team but had a all time great playoff run. Please tell me in what world that is not giving that team respect??? Just because I stated the obvious, they did not have a great regular season. That made their run even that more impressive.
It appears the Mets are close to putting the finishing touches on the deal with McCann. Not sure of the money, but the length is 4 years.
Edit: It looks like a 4 year deal for $40 million.
Bauer is nuts and had one great 60 game "season". McCann is meh. Springer is very good, but not worth overpaying. This year's FA class is well below average.
I am actual not so hot in Bauer for those reasons, he is a lifetime 3/4 pitcher with 6 meh years, 1 great full season and then this short season CY.
McCan- looks like 4/40- I can live with that.
Springer is the must get. In this case, don’t mind overpaying a bit as it won’t break us like it would other years and he will greatly improve this team in the field.
this year- I would rather not go at Bauer but go get a couple of solid 3 spot type pitchers.
Agree with you. Bauer is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and was only really good for a short time. He’d be a good risk but not for the price he’s going to get. If it’s an either/or, I want Springer. The Mets CF defense has stunk for years...and he can hit.
If he was still of the mindset of wanting only 1 year deals, sure, what the hell. But a long term deal with someone so batcrap is very risky.
This^^^ - a one year deal if we also get Springer- addition of McCann and still get at least one 3/4 type guy...and I think it is a great solution for 2021 and could put us in the driver seat. Atlanta would still be favored but if we even get into the playoffs and if Noah comes back strong in July- we would be built for the playoffs. And we don't bargin out our future doing it. And I will be honest- if we were not to sign a guy like Odorizzi, the Yankee castoffs may be prime for this 3/4 spot and this may be the year to get them fairly cheap.
Do not want any of Tanaka, Paxton or Happ. Paxton always hurt and Tanaka started his decline with the threat of him getting injured always hanging over his head. Happ is just not good anymore.
They should not be thought of as difference makers but may be able to get one of the guys in a favorable contract and should be able to hold down the fort at least a little before Noah is back. Each of the 3 have downside for sure but each of the 3 also have potential upside and none of them have been anywhere as horrible as Yankee fans make them out to be.
I think I just have considered them as I do not want to drop $25 mil per year in a long term contract with a real crap shoot named Bauer but we do need some help. MAtz is not the answer. Currently, we have deGrom/Stroman/Peterson/Lugo/Matz which equates to sure thing/solid 2 guy/hope he keeps it up in a full season/can he be successful as a starter/fvk me...The 3 mentioned above have to be better than our last two options
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