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OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread

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yesrutgers01 said:
They should not be thought of as difference makers but may be able to get one of the guys in a favorable contract and should be able to hold down the fort at least a little before Noah is back. Each of the 3 have downside for sure but each of the 3 also have potential upside and none of them have been anywhere as horrible as Yankee fans make them out to be.
I think I just have considered them as I do not want to drop $25 mil per year in a long term contract with a real crap shoot named Bauer but we do need some help. MAtz is not the answer. Currently, we have deGrom/Stroman/Peterson/Lugo/Matz which equates to sure thing/solid 2 guy/hope he keeps it up in a full season/can he be successful as a starter/fvk me...The 3 mentioned above have to be better than our last two options
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Lugo has shown the potential to be a solid starter. The problem has always been the Mets. Is he a starter or a reliever? Give Lugo a task, and he will perfect it. When Lugo was a starter, he pitched well. When asked to go to the bullpen, once he got into a routine, he was great. Now, in the middle of a season, he was asked to switch gears and become a starter again. It's not easy to stretch your arm out on the go and be successful. Having a full off-season to work out as a starter should make a world of difference for Lugo. Based on his history, I see no reason to think he can't be as successful as the three former Yankees you've mentioned. I would not say those three are better options than Lugo, but I do agree anything is better than Matz.
 
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Lugo has shown the potential to be a solid starter. The problem has always been the Mets. Is he a starter or a reliever? Give Lugo a task, and he will perfect it. When Lugo was a starter, he pitched well. When asked to go to the bullpen, once he got into a routine, he was great. Now, in the middle of a season, he was asked to switch gears and become a starter again. It's not easy to stretch your arm out on the go and be successful. Having a full off-season to work out as a starter should make a world of difference for Lugo. Based on his history, I see no reason to think he can't be as successful as the three former Yankees you've mentioned. I would not say those three are better options than Lugo, but I do agree anything is better than Matz.
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Agree- and I don't think PAxton or Tananka would sign for peanuts but a guy like Happ may be available for slightly more than what we gave Matz...and before anyone hates this tough, he did have a 6 game stretch last year with a 1.98 era...for a number 4/5 guy, you could live with him.
Agree with Lugo and we can hope Peterson is the real thing- these are our two unknowns that could have great upsides or could be the downfall...deGrom and Stroman have a body of work to go by.
 
cubuffsdoug said:
Lugo has shown the potential to be a solid starter. The problem has always been the Mets. Is he a starter or a reliever? Give Lugo a task, and he will perfect it. When Lugo was a starter, he pitched well. When asked to go to the bullpen, once he got into a routine, he was great. Now, in the middle of a season, he was asked to switch gears and become a starter again. It's not easy to stretch your arm out on the go and be successful. Having a full off-season to work out as a starter should make a world of difference for Lugo. Based on his history, I see no reason to think he can't be as successful as the three former Yankees you've mentioned. I would not say those three are better options than Lugo, but I do agree anything is better than Matz.
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Lugo should be the 4 or 5 starter and sign Hendricks for the pen as well.
 
Rule 5 Draft was today. Mets claimed one and lost one. The guy they claimed was Luis Oviedo, a 21 year old RHP who was the Indians #25 prospect. Mets have to keep him on the major league roster all year, otherwise they have to offer him back to the Indians. Most Rule 5 guys don't make it and therefore must be offered back, but you never know. Met legend Johan Santana was a Rule 5 guy, back in the day.

Here's Oviedo's profile FYI. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/indians/luis-oviedo-665854

The guy the Mets lost was their #18 prospect, Dedniel Nunez, a 24 year old RHP who was claimed by the Giants.

FWIW, the last Met Rule 5 selection of any consequence was Sean Gilmartin in 2014.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
Rule 5 Draft was today. Mets claimed one and lost one. The guy they claimed was Luis Oviedo, a 21 year old RHP who was the Indians #25 prospect. Mets have to keep him on the major league roster all year, otherwise they have to offer him back to the Indians. Most Rule 5 guys don't make it and therefore must be offered back, but you never know. Met legend Johan Santana was a Rule 5 guy, back in the day.

Here's Oviedo's profile FYI. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/indians/luis-oviedo-665854

The guy the Mets lost was their #18 prospect, Dedniel Nunez, a 24 year old RHP who was claimed by the Giants.

FWIW, the last Met Rule 5 selection of any consequence was Sean Gilmartin in 2014.
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Luis, we hardly knew you. Mets trade Oviedo to Pittsburgh for cash considerations in what clearly was a prearranged deal.
 
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cicero grimes said:
Now that we traded him he will win the ROY next year for the Pirates.
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Perhaps, but Uncle Steve has a little more tip money in his pocket. It's clear in hindsight that we had no intention of committing a 2021 roster spot to any of the Rule 5 guys.
 
Saddled with a horrific contract for Cano (and 2B blocker) for another 2 years leaves this fair game. Thankfully dodged a bullet for this year due to his foolishness.
 
FrankZ said:
Saddled with a horrific contract for Cano (and 2B blocker) for another 2 years leaves this fair game. Thankfully dodged a bullet for this year due to his foolishness.
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I am going to go ahead and guess that there will be some negotiating happening with those 2 years and Cano will never put on a BB uniform again and will not collect nearly what is owed.
 
Personally, I don't think he'll put on a Mets uniform again because of Uncle Stevie. Just nauseating that our squad will have to pay him another dime.
 
yesrutgers01 said:
I am going to go ahead and guess that there will be some negotiating happening with those 2 years and Cano will never put on a BB uniform again and will not collect nearly what is owed.
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I think you are right but you never know. Remember no one thought ARod would ever play for the Yankees again after his suspension. He not only returned, but at age 39 had a productive season (620 AB, 33 HR, .842 OPS). We're paying Cano anyway, no sense in writing him off yet. Especially if the DH remains, which I think it will.
 
Kbee3 said:
It sure sounds like the Mets are trying to buy a championship.
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"Trying", is the key word there, since the Yankees have been "trying" into their 2nd decade, and even "tried" to supplement the "new Core 4" to break though. The Mets won't "try" to buy a Championship, but they will win one before the Yankees do. Lol, did they close down The Dead Zone,[Yankee thread]???
 
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I think you are right but you never know. Remember no one thought ARod would ever play for the Yankees again after his suspension. He not only returned, but at age 39 had a productive season (620 AB, 33 HR, .842 OPS). We're paying Cano anyway, no sense in writing him off yet. Especially if the DH remains, which I think it will.
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As much as I like the universal DH I doubt we see it in a normal season.
 
tico brown said:
Shocked that the players union didnt fight for this.
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Same here. I don't understand their reluctance to go after it. In this climate it would be a slam dunk. Both MLB and the Union in general just don't think it is a priority at this time. Puzzling.
 
I think that Universal DH is a priority for the Union, although the 28 man roster is probably the higher priority. The owners want expanded playoffs. I think you'll see a deal sometime this winter.
 
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FrankZ said:
Or just implement ties in regular season after 10 innings. 50 million games.
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I'd say 11 innings, but I'd sign on for that. To me a tie is a perfectly legitimate ending to a game. But then, I'm a soccer fan where ties are the norm.
 
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Given the overriding presence of Alderson, these are the types of guys you are going to get. No way that a Dombrowski takes this job to answer to Alderson. You want a Dombrowski, you need to be willing to hand him the keys, which we are not.

This is not a complaint. I am very comfortable with Alderson handling the keys.
 
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Not sure I ever understood the initial organizational structure where there would be a president reporting to Alderson and a GM reporting to the president. Other than Esptein, Dombrowski would have been the home run hire. I am sure there is some trepidation about coming to work for an unknown like Cohen who seems like he is going to be a prominent owner with the media and fans. These GM candidates may be very good at their trade but none seem to be a proven commodity.
 
BigEastPhil said:
Ugh. I hope he’s like the 3rd string lefty out of the bullpen. I’m hoping for Brad Hand as the top southpaw in the bullpen and then Justin Wilson will be suffice.
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He's not like anything at this point. He's one of what will be a bunch of guys on minor league contracts trying to make the team.
 
Kbee3 said:
Totally disagree.
IMO that "runner on 2nd thing" is stupid.
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Since I’m used to it from tournament softball I found it interesting to see different managers strategies. For tournaments it’s necessary to keep tournament on schedule. I’m not in favor of it for mlb.
 
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