OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread
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I was actually thinking the same way. Davis and prospects. Cubs are dumping contracts and Davis still under control.
It is amazing for our Mets, a 8th place hitter who is a .310-.320 15-20 HR guy.
Seventh actually, but I get your point. Could flip-flop him (McNeil) with Nimmo. Or could bat him second and just push everyone else back a spot. I like Lindor second though. Seems like second is the new third, the spot in the order where you put your best hitter.
Damn- got to used to the DH-
agree with all your points but prefer Nimmo leading off. I think I would consider Nimmo, McNeil, Lindor, Alonso, Conforto though.
And I am more hoping the Matz move was more about prospects and maybe make us more comfortable trading some now for a 3B like KB or NA...both change the dynamic of our infield defense as well as the lineup. Though, if Davis were in Chi, I could see him a consistent .285 30 HR guy...
Starting lineup looks great. The bench is horrendous.
More on yesterday's trade:
MLB.com updated its prospect rankings and now include Wincowski and Diaz in the Mets list as 26 and 30. They were 26 and 27 for Toronto. Reid-Foley is not included as he does not have rookie status. He's started 13 games for Toronto over the past three years. Seems like their Corey Oswalt, a depth guy. Depth is good. FWIW he was their #10 prospect in 2018.
This trade validates the Mets decision to offer Matz arbitration, a decision widely criticized. The Mets correctly discerned that Matz still had some value. If any of the three guys they got help the Mets win even one game over their entire careers, then it's a plus.
Now to look forward: DiComo reports that this move leaves the Mets with $175M in luxury tax commitments (which is not exactly the same as salary commitments) for 2021. The limit is $210M, which Alderson has referred to as a "significant demarcation". So that leaves $35M to play with this year. Although I think that any longer-term financial commitment poses the greater concern.
So who shall it "B" - Bauer, Bradley, or Bryant?
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MLB.com updated its prospect rankings and now include Wincowski and Diaz in the Mets list as 26 and 30. They were 26 and 27 for Toronto. Reid-Foley is not included as he does not have rookie status. He's started 13 games for Toronto over the past three years. Seems like their Corey Oswalt, a depth guy. Depth is good. FWIW he was their #10 prospect in 2018.
This trade validates the Mets decision to offer Matz arbitration, a decision widely criticized. The Mets correctly discerned that Matz still had some value. If any of the three guys they got help the Mets win even one game over their entire careers, then it's a plus.
Now to look forward: DiComo reports that this move leaves the Mets with $175M in luxury tax commitments (which is not exactly the same as salary commitments) for 2021. The limit is $210M, which Alderson has referred to as a "significant demarcation". So that leaves $35M to play with this year. Although I think that any longer-term financial commitment poses the greater concern.
So who shall it "B" - Bauer, Bradley, or Bryant?
Does Matz trade mean more deals for Mets?
NEW YORK -- Steven Matz came to the Mets amid significant fanfare in 2015, a local product who made an immediate impact on a National League pennant-winning team. The left-hander eventually became one of the franchise’s longest-tenured players, with nearly six seasons in the organization. That...
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And while you two are in here worrying about all things Mets, the Yankees best clutch pitcher is headed back to Japan, lmfao. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...ka-returning-japan-7-seasons-new-york-yankees
You just lost your best playoff pitcher and your in here chopping up all things Mets, too funny.
Best playoff pitcher? Did you watch him last year at all??
Plus I posted before Tanaka announcement so you are off base there.
Congrats with the A ball guys you got.
BTW why do you care who you got?? This was a salary dump. I wasn't mocking the Mets.
Seriously, what do you put the odds at that one of these 3 come up and post better numbers than Matz did? I say better than 75%, you say- - -
If it was a salary dump they wouldn't have signed the tender with him, they would have just let him go. They know he has value above and beyond the tender. They signed him and captured that value.
I'll be the first to admit its not huge value. But it sure the hell isn't a salary dump.
NY media disagrees with you.
The left-hander was shipped to the Blue Jays for three minor league prospects, the team announced. Matz was tendered a contract earlier in the offseason for $5.2 million but became expendable with the Mets’ recent pitching additions — which included another lefty, Joey Lucchesi from the Padres.
Reality is it’s a lack of quality pitcher dump. I’m surprised they got even one prospect back never mind three. You talk as if losing Matz leaves a big gap.
Not me at all. I've been saying this is a salary dump. If one of these guys becomes a marginal player in the MLB it would be a huge win for Mets
If there is a minor league season someone has to pitch. Besides you now have three more bodies that may find success. That is three more than Matz.
I just looked. What do you think his ERA would have been over a longer sample? Like maybe a full inning instead of just 2/3 of an inning.
One of them is already a marginal player in the MLB. He has pitched 71.2 innings with 13 starts.
As a starter not so good but last year out of the bullpen and was very good but in just 5 games. Time will tell.
As I said, 75% chance one of 3 put up better numbers than Matz, so hardly just a salary dump.
Huh? Under your criteria maybe. In the real world and every NY media outlet it was a salary dump. Some speculation to get one more big prize and stay under the cap.
Speaking of the cap. It looks like not one single team will be over the cap in 2021. Not sure it's ever happened before.
So, a question for Mets fans: Should Yankees fan be happy or worried that Toronto added Matz to their rotation ?
From a Mets fan perspective, they should be happy because their bats beat up bad pitching. However listening to the Yankee fans who post here they should be sad because they are doomed having opponent in division add a quality arm.
Why would Yankee fans fear Matz? He is 1-6 against the Yankees. Last victory was 2015.
I would actually say much less chance of that. Matz has been a pretty typical back of the rotation guy. 31-41 4.something era for his career. I would say that there is barely a 50/50 chance that a rookie SP could get to that level. To say 75% for middle of the road prospects is kindof crazy...
That was Phil Rizzuto old line when a Yankee was behind his career home runs/at bats number. Because I followed that theory. I called Chris Chambliss before he hit the game ending (not a walk off back in those days) Home Run in Game 5 to send the Yankees to the WS.
After jumping up and down for several minutes turned around and pointed to my Dad and yelled with pride "TOLD YOU!"
While I agree you shouldn’t, yankee fans posting today make it seem like a big mistake by the Mets. Basically you guys talk out both sides of your mouths.
I don't. I've said it was a good move all along. Some MLB media think it's to open cap room for one last big move.
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