Heard that Almora started his career well after being a first round pick. Then he hit a foul line drive that really hurt a little girl. His slide seemed to occur after that. Maybe a change in scenery will help clear his mind.
OT: New York Mets 2020-2021 Off Season Thread
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That don’t count. Big signings and Big trades only happens in The Bronx.
So...nature of the off season changed when they traded for two players that are every bit as good or better than the big FA's out there...
Lindor/Carsco >>> Springer/Bauer
Realmuto is the one that now looking back- I would like to have but...he was going to drag it out and he never seemed like he wanted to be here...Going with McCann early and for less than half the money was actually a smart move at the time.
They offered what they wanted to pay for Springer and he took 30 mil more elsewhere
Bauer just didn't want to play here...I am more pissed that we even offered 40 mil...
We had a great off season no matter how you want to look at it...I do come away with a negative thought though
I do not think Sandy is the man that should be running the organization. Doesn't seem to have the balls for it here...when he made the trade for Lindor/Carasco- and Bauer is playing games- He should have told fans right then, he is not going into a long drawn out play on Bauer and tell us fans to look at Carasco- we feel he is every bit as good and the trade was not just about Lindor but also getting a pitcher that would have been one of the top two if he was a FA this year.
Playing Bauer's game and too many reports of other guys at the table signing the papers that fell through.
But overall- huge off season in a positive way. Tell me we sign Conforto/Lindor long term will make it even better.
I still think the Mets have one big move left in them.
Once the Mets acquired Lindor, Springer was essentially off the table.
Rosario/Gimenez plus Springer, or Lindor plus Almora? I'll take Door #2.
Once the Mets acquired Lindor, Springer was essentially off the table.
Agree with that but we just can't leave out Carasco out of option 2...
One spot left on the bench. I want Marwin Gonzalez. He may be tough to get though, if someone else offers him a regular position.
For me Springer/Bauer/Jimenez/Rosario >>> Lindor/Carsco.
Yes Lindor is a huge upgrade at SS, however, offensively there’s not much difference with Springer. Springer would have solved a defensive weakness at CF and the lead-off spot. Jimenez/Rosario would have been adequate at SS until the glut of FA SS’s come on the market next year.
I would have taken my chances with Bauer continuing to perform at Cy Young level, as opposed to Carsco.
What’s your thought? Kris Bryant? Who else of magnitude is supposedly available?
Springer is 31 and in 2 years on his way down and playing CF for now is not a game changer. In 3 years he will be a corner OF with very little impact on the field and offense sliding.
Lindor is 27 and just entering his prime and for the next 8 years or more will be in a game changing defensive position on what ever team he is on. This makes Lindor >>>>>>>>>Springer. Rosario/Geminez- please don't even mention either of them in conversation if the name Lindor is is the same sentence.
I take Carasco at his $11 mil and a very consistent level of being good to very good and a bad season is the outliner. Bauer has been consistent below average pitcher with good to very good season being the outliner for $40 mil...They may both end up the next 5 years or so about equal- but just not worth the chance.
Now- if you ask if I would extend deGrom at 32 for $40 per year over Carasco at $11 mil- I take deGrom 10 out of 10
No one can show you any proof that Bauer is in fact a better pitcher than Carasco...and no one at all could possibly argue 11 for Caraso or 40 for Bauer.
Springer or Lindor on your team if starting a team- if you tell me Springer...you are lying
You are looking at the offseason as in who got big names as FA's and not as a true baseball fan.
I’m looking at it from a perspective of competing for a WS now, not in 3-5 years. We have no idea how the future is going to turn out and who will perform or not in the long term. I’ll take Springer’s bat in the short term over Lindor and worry about the future another day. There’s also other young SSs out there.
I think the uncertainty about whether there would be a DH played a role in the timing of what the Mets were emphasizing at any given point in time. Having to find field positions for both Smith and Alonso is not ideal.
This is a great pickup and allows money to sign others long term. Win-win, except for, [not you} those that were crying about the Mets acting like the Yankees spending of the past and recent.
I’ve been saying this for years but chose to ignore the usual suspects most of the time
OK- let's go that route...
Met's with
deGrom/Carasco as 1/2 in rotation...Inf of Alonso, McNeil, Lindor, Davis OF of Smith, Nimmo, Conforto - McCann as C
Met's with
deGrom/Bauer 1/2 in rotation Inf of Alonso, McNeil, Rosario/Gimeniz, Davis OF of Nimmo/Springer/Conforto McCann as C
I am having a really hard time saying that one of those teams is going to be any better than the other.
Springer would be a HR if we knew 2 months ago that there is 100% going to be a DH...We cannot have Smith or Alonso not getting 500 plus ABs. If you told me that there was a DH and we made the Lindor trade and got Springer- then this would be an insane team. But if we are comparing replacing Rosario or Gimeniz with Lindor vs replacing Smith with Springer...The former is the only way to go- better fielder than both and offensive production not even in the same conversation.
And option 1 you have $30 million to do something with.
That isn't the plan, as I'm still sure it'll be Nimmo as the starter which I'm fine with.
Completely different thought for the MEt's- let's say there is no DH and no DH in 2022 either.
Dom ends up .295 25-30 HR 110+ RBI
Pete goes .260 40-45 HR 110+ RBI
Do we:
a) Keep Alonso at 1B and Dom at LF live with poor D at both for the near future but two great bats
b) Keep Dom and play him at 1B and make a blockbuster trade of Alonso
c) Keep Alonso at 1B and make a blockbuster trade of Smith?
Dom ends up .295 25-30 HR 110+ RBI
Pete goes .260 40-45 HR 110+ RBI
Do we:
a) Keep Alonso at 1B and Dom at LF live with poor D at both for the near future but two great bats
b) Keep Dom and play him at 1B and make a blockbuster trade of Alonso
c) Keep Alonso at 1B and make a blockbuster trade of Smith?
I almost hate to say I agree but really hope that the DH is here. My reason is this
While Alonso is just a perfect personality here in NY/NJ area- he has more holes than Smith but, may also bring in the bigger talent in a trade. Smith just looks like you pencil in .290 25-35 100 with good defense at 1B for 10 years.
Alonso may hit 350+ HR's in the next 10 years but will never be an above average defender...
But...it is almost like choosing between children. I do think if there is no DH, it will be a choice we have to make though.
According to Boston Globe, the signing of Almora does NOT take JBJ off the table. Reportedly the two sides "remain very much engaged".
I think I read possible signing of JBJ is contingent on DH coming to NL in 2021 or 2022.
I’m sorry but bringing in Almora and signing JL to a minor league contract- why in any world do we need to spend on JBJ?
yes, if DH comes...I would give it a shot but not at contract numbers it seems he wants to get. He is a 11-12 mil per year guy at most.
otherwise- go with what we have and bring in late inning replacements. Get another arm and another good bat to come off the bench.
Who is JL? If you mean Juan Lagares, he did sign a minor league deal today, but with the Angels, not the Mets.
Almora is an average defensive CF at best. Granted that is a step up from Nimmo, who is a poor CF. But Bradley is elite. I don't understand why they signed Almora if Bradley is still in play.
If the Mets do sign Bradley, IMO it is a sign that another move is afoot. Would not be shocked if Nimmo is moved. He is under Met control through next season (2022) and then they'll have to pay him. I cannot see the Mets paying big bucks to two corner outfielders. If they pay Conforto, as I think they will, then I think Nimmo's days are numbered.
If the Mets add Bradley and Almora to their current roster, their 13 man group of position players (8 starters, 5 bench) is full - but they'd have three reserve OF and only one reserve IF (Guillorme). That is untenable IMO. I want Marwin Gonzalez. But if the Mets sign Bradley, I won't get him.
I don't know how the Mets can make decisions contingent on 2022 rules. Who knows when that will be determined? We don't even know yet what the 2021 rules are!
If Cohen's pursestrings permit, I'd go ahead and sign JBJ to a three year deal, and look to move Nimmo at some point, which I think is inevitable anyway if they extend Conforto.
If I am the Mets I am not interested in handing out more than 1 year deals right now. Why give JBJ a three year deal? I think you would be looking to upgrade half way into the deal.
Nimmo is so much better than JBJ. Money should not be a problem to keep him.
FWIW, Deesha Thosar of NY Daily News says JBJ to Mets is dead. So who knows? Certainly not I.
Mark my words, the Mets ain't paying eight digit contracts to both Conforto and Nimmo. They just ain't. Especially if the first of those eight digits is nonlinear, as most certainly will be the case with Conforto.
This is easy for me to say, since by the time this is all resolved, this post will have been long forgotten. Unless of course I am right, in which case you will be reminded.😉
8 or 9 digits? Mets would be smart to finally start paying some of these guys to buy off their arb years before they hit FA.
Yep you're right, nine digits. I should have been able to get that right. I mean, I myself have ten countable digits.
I thought I saw the Mets had signed him...my bad
I see Conforto getting 9 figures but not Nimmo...
Why in the world would they want him now? Rather have a player like Almora who never has to bat and they don’t have to pay.
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