Can’t believe Diaz gave up a hit.Lol it seems like forever the last time anyone did get a hit much less, make contact. But 4 outs- 4 K’s
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OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread
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German second start back
Wasn’t good last time
Score 6 in first 3 and let Max Max
Max 7 scoreless
dHRu solo shot to Judge
Lugo back to back doubles then gets out of it
7-2 Mets win !!!
Wasn’t good last time
Score 6 in first 3 and let Max Max
Max 7 scoreless
dHRu solo shot to Judge
Lugo back to back doubles then gets out of it
7-2 Mets win !!!
Three innings, zero runs, two hits, one walk. A cumulative WHIP of 1.00. What more do you want?
Hey Doug what are you seeing from Ottavino that I'm not?
The numbers look great, but anyone watching knows it's never easy for Ottavino. A stress-free inning is better than innings where the guy's pitch count is up, and there's a threat of giving up runs. There is always base traffic with Ottavino, and why does he have to work extra hard like Hoodini to get out of jams? There is a reason why Buck went to Diaz instead of allowing Ottavino the opportunity to finish what he started.
Not true. Ottavino's WHIP this year is 0.955. Less than one baserunner per inning. The MLB average this year is 1.273. (Which BTW is the lowest it's been in a LONG time. 2022 = Year of the Pitcher).
Now this was the Mets team I got used to seeing earlier in the season. When they got down they'd strike right back like a rattlesnake. There wasn't any waiting around for 5, 6, 7 innings wondering if they would find a way to score. Now tonight wasn't perfect and there are certainly a few guys who need to get going cough Nimmo cough Canha cough but it was nice to see McNeil come thru with a key 2 out hit which hopefully gets him going and back on the plus side of .300 again soon.
Jeez, people still saying Bullpen sucks after last night? I thought I was a negative guy lol.
Great win… Let’s Go for the sweep tonight.
Great win… Let’s Go for the sweep tonight.
I can make Noah Vedral numbers look great too. He has led Rutgers for the last two years, and we watched Rutgers improve. Vedral looked great against Michigan St at MSU and against Michigan both years. Vedral completes 60% of his passes and doesn't turn the ball over. Yet few Rutgers fans believe he is the one to get us over the top. Ottavino is a similar case. People complain about Lindor not performing up to his contract, but you have to be blind not to see he's ten times better this year. It's all about perception. We see what we want to see.
If Ottavino were as good as you claim, he would either be a starter or a closer. There is a reason why relievers bounce around from team to team.
This is a bad take. There are RPs that aren't closers that are having great years. A lot of them could be closers.
Ottavino is having a fine year. We still need an 8th inning guy but Ottavino as your 7th inning setup is doing exactly what you want.
Flood alert in The Dead Zone. Who was it that said Mets fans only cry and complain. Too funny, I guess there's a lot that don't see the same from that entitled fanbase. 120 wins, and another non- World Series appearance. Even with the best record in baseball, a couple of "know it all's" rag on Cashman, the guy who built this regular season power house. The Bronx last night. 😉
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Not a bad take. It's just my opinion. It's nothing different than most fans thinking Vedral is fine as our QB. On the surface, everything looks great with Vedral, but you're waiting for that WTF moment deep down. Ottavino gives off that same vibe. I must walk away from the TV whenever Ottavino comes in a game to pitch. He's going to give me an ulcer. Ottavino is the first person to make me nervous, and I've been around some bad players in all sports.
Sorry haven't done this in a couple of weeks. Basically Baty and Ramirez have been hot and Alvarez has not over that time period.
July 26 Mets Farm Report (Top 25 prospects per MLB Pipeline)
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 0/2, 2 BB, K, .118/.598
2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 3/5, 2B(20), R, 2 RBI, K, .297/.887
3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – 1/5, 2B(20), R, RBI, 2 K, .246/.748
4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 0/4, 3 K, .279/.808
5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, 2 K, .261/.846
6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023
7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, 2 K, .199/.704
8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, K, .223/.688
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured Biceps Tendonitis Expected return 2022
12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) – 1/4, 2B(7), 2 R, 2 K, .203/.635
14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 2/4, 2 RBI, BB, .261/.770
16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 0.2 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HR, 4.64, L(4-10)
17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) – 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 5.22
18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023
19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) – 2/4, 2 2B(17), .256/.713
20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) - DNP
21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022
22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023
23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
24) Josh Walker LHP (AAA Syracuse) - Injured Expected return 2022
25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
July 26 Mets Farm Report (Top 25 prospects per MLB Pipeline)
AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)
1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 0/2, 2 BB, K, .118/.598
2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 3/5, 2B(20), R, 2 RBI, K, .297/.887
3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – 1/5, 2B(20), R, RBI, 2 K, .246/.748
4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 0/4, 3 K, .279/.808
5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, 2 K, .261/.846
6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023
7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, 2 K, .199/.704
8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 1/4, K, .223/.688
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured Biceps Tendonitis Expected return 2022
12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) – 1/4, 2B(7), 2 R, 2 K, .203/.635
14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 2/4, 2 RBI, BB, .261/.770
16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 0.2 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HR, 4.64, L(4-10)
17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) – 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 5.22
18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023
19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) – 2/4, 2 2B(17), .256/.713
20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) - DNP
21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022
22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023
23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
24) Josh Walker LHP (AAA Syracuse) - Injured Expected return 2022
25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP
It is a bad take. There are 2 separate points. You said if he was good he'd be a SP or CL and that is the really bad take. You're basically saying that a pitcher can't be good if they're not in either of those roles which is nonsense.
As for Ottavino specifically you can get nervous as much as you want but going by the numbers up until this point he's having a good year. Can he blow up in the next few months? Sure of course he can. Can he blow games here and there? Yes as no RP is perfect. I agree you don't want to force Ottavino into the 8th inning role often but there's a difference between saying that and saying he's not been good up until this point.
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There is no such thing as easy when you are facing professional ball players. The really great ones sometimes make it look easy, but I assure you it's not. Some of the analysis here (not necessarily this post but in general) is really a head scratcher. The Mets just beat one of the 4 best teams in baseball. Enjoy it. I sure as hell did. Great game.
You keep saying it's a bad take, but it's not. It's just a difference of opinion. It's like looking at the same picture but seeing it differently. I may not be a baseball savant like you, but I understand how athlete performance means everything. Ottavino's career stats tell you more about who he is than his success this year. And what's telling is a player seldom asks a manager not to play him as Ottavino did earlier this year. I have respect for May, even when things are not going great, he wants the ball. This is why I'm nervous when Ottavino comes in. I can't trust or have faith in Ottavino.
I'm not a baseball savant.
You don't understand what I'm saying is a bad take. You said that if a pitcher is not a SP or a CL then he can't be good. That line is the bad take.
I'm somewhat with you on the second point of Ottavino. Ottavino has had a pretty solid career for himself. I already I agree he shouldnt be our 8th inning guy but he's being pressed into that role now because our pen stinks. May shouldn't be either. Eppler absolutely needs to go out and get a real 8th inning setup guy to Diaz.
What I should say is relief specialists are overrated and overvalued. There was a time when starters would enter games in relief on their off days. Managers back then didn't have a lot of faith in relievers for a reason. I think the mental makeup of starters and closers differs from middle relievers.
IMO, the setup guy has to have the same mentality as a closer if he expects to be successful.
Keep him in the minors. Thankfully, we have Ottavino, Smith, and Lugo to get us through. 😜
Mayer has him 95-98. Post game comments will mean the most. I won't even feel like he's back and healthy until he starts like 4 or 5 games at the major league level.
Keep him in the minors. Thankfully, we have Ottavino, Smith, and Lugo to get us through. 😜
I don't know what's more unusual the walks or the home run surrendered. He doesn't often do either.
My post above was facetious. It will take him a while to resume form (assuming he will resume form). Maybe he will never be the same. Time will tell.
Any word on his velocity?
Lee should have jumped for that ball!!! 😜
Yes I know you were being sarcastic haha.
Velocity in the 95-97 range from what I am reading.
Jake really doesn't want to come back to the Mets lol
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