OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread

[cubuffsdoug]

Hopefully this solves his problems at the plate. Better trade piece since I’d doubt he’d stay to be the DH/1B with Alonso for the long run.

I think Dom's problem this year was a real fear of not being a part of the team, especially one built to win now. Every year since he's been in the big leagues, his name is always mentioned as the odd guy out even when he was performing better than anyone else in the team.

If Dom finally plays like he is capable, you solve the DH problem and back up at 1st. I feel if you trade him for relief help you strengthen one area of the team, but weaken two others (1st & DH).
I don't want to see Canha, JD, or McCann at 1st on occasion.

 

[yesrutgers01]

🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺

Diaz is the man!

It seems that maybe even Cano was in this guy's head...Would like to see consistent 1/2/3's from him but he has been money.

 

[tico brown]

It seems that maybe even Cano was in this guy's head...Would like to see consistent 1/2/3's from him but he has been money.

True. Let’s wait until Diaz doesn’t turn into Familia, Wagner, Benitez, Franco, and other chokers.

 

[Knight Shift]

Believe it or not, I posted that thinking of your Jinx?

I’m just going to post that I’M PISSED THAT I’M NOT GOING TO WIN THE NEXT MEGA MILLIONS on Friday.

Something you have to understand about the jinx. Jinx posts must be sincere, and you cannot fool the jinx. It's not my jinx. It's real. Maybe someone can correct me, but the origin of the jinx was game threads when there were posts such as "game over" in the 1st quarter after the opposing teams scored once or twice.

I was going to post the Major League Jobu wake up the bats meme last night, and I'm glad I did not. 😜

 

[willisneverrana43]

I think Dom's problem this year was a real fear of not being a part of the team, especially one built to win now. Every year since he's been in the big leagues, his name is always mentioned as the odd guy out even when he was performing better than anyone else in the team.

If Dom finally plays like he is capable, you solve the DH problem and back up at 1st. I feel if you trade him for relief help you strengthen one area of the team, but weaken two others (1st & DH).
I don't want to see Canha, JD, or McCann at 1st on occasion.

So you think he needs a Teddy Bear?

Right now he's hitting .221 and a career .249 hitter, with decent but not great pop. He'll likely continue this year to raise his .221 average, and other hitting stats. But it won't be because of psyco babble. It'll be because he was in a slump and couldn't work out of it more quickly. It happens.

Regardless, it's far from certain that Dom playing up to his capabilities solves the DH problem. Why? Because his capabilities are in question. What exactly are the capabilities of this liftime .249 hitter? Feel free to hope that they are represented by his 200 ABs during the 2000 season, and that the other 1150 career ABs are not indicators of his capabilities. But that's just hope. More likely, it's somewhere in the middle, and it could be closer to his 1150 AB performance than his 200 AB performance. Maybe there's a reason, other than psycho babable, that he's often the odd man out. He's 27, a full-fledged veteran, and if he's truly a better hitter than he's shown, he's going to have to show that on a regular basis.

Either way, it's almost a lock that at this point he can't do enough to make the Mets feel as if they don't need to go out and get a DH before the trade deadline.

 

[Zak57]

It's great Dom is starting to see some hits fall but he hasn't hit a HR in about a full year now. It looks like he's eliminated all the power from his swing just to make contact. It's ok for now but we still need to look for an upgrade until he has shown he can start hitting the ball out of the park again.

With that said he's still better than the garbage trade that almost went through. Paddack would have been a nice upside play but he's already injured and is having/had TJ surgery. Pagan has a 5.34 ERA. Hosmer had a hot start but is basically hitting league average overall and has been declining as the year has gone on. Who wants that with all that extra money associated. Thankfully Cohen nixed it.

 

[RUfinally2008]

1.5

Geez, talk about gloom and doom. Are you a Mets fan, really? Not trying to be a prick{ your quote} but come on. Do we really need to see your "so far" always wrong tally of the Mets-Braves?

 

[cubuffsdoug]

So you think he needs a Teddy Bear?

Right now he's hitting .221 and a career .249 hitter, with decent but not great pop. He'll likely continue this year to raise his .221 average, and other hitting stats. But it won't be because of psyco babble. It'll be because he was in a slump and couldn't work out of it more quickly. It happens.

Regardless, it's far from certain that Dom playing up to his capabilities solves the DH problem. Why? Because his capabilities are in question. What exactly are the capabilities of this liftime .249 hitter? Feel free to hope that they are represented by his 200 ABs during the 2000 season, and that the other 1150 career ABs are not indicators of his capabilities. But that's just hope. More likely, it's somewhere in the middle, and it could be closer to his 1150 AB performance than his 200 AB performance. Maybe there's a reason, other than psycho babable, that he's often the odd man out. He's 27, a full-fledged veteran, and if he's truly a better hitter than he's shown, he's going to have to show that on a regular basis.

Either way, it's almost a lock that at this point he can't do enough to make the Mets feel as if they don't need to go out and get a DH before the trade deadline.

I'm not going to address you because you come on here with one purpose: to cause trouble. Every response is dripping with sarcasm and mockery.

 

[Knight Shift]

I'm not going to address you because you come on here with one purpose: to cause trouble. Every response is dripping with sarcasm and mockery.

Not sure if I agree with you. I think it is the way he expresses himself, and he does raise some fair substantive points about Dom's career average and lack of HRs. If you ignore the Teddy Bear sentence, there is a lot of substance to his post.

 

[Zak57]

You can basically look at my post right after where I echo the same thoughts without even seeing his post. He's correct with or without perceived sarcasm and mockery.

 

[Doctor Worm]

When you play a power position and offer no power, no speed, and no positional flexibility, you'd better hit .300. Period.

 

[RUfinally2008]

For shits and giggles, your starting lineup of the everyday 9 between Yankee and Met teams. OF- Nimmo-Judge-Marte. DH-Stanton. C-Trevino. 3B-Escobar-Donalson tied- SS-Lindor,2B-McNeil, 1B-Alonso. Pitching, currently the Yankees have the advantage starting 5, and the Mets have the more dominate closer in Diaz. Who's built better for the playoffs, time will tell.

 

[Zak57]

July 6 Mets Farm Report (Top 25 prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – G1 DNP G2 0/5, K, .125/.347

2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 2/5, R, RBI, .289/.865

3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) - DNP

4) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) – G1 2/4, K G2 2/4, HR(15), R, RBI, K, .251/.850

5) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023

6) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 2/4, 2B(1), .222/.555

7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) – G1 DNP G2 2/4, HR(5), 2B(13), R, RBI, K, .201/.692

8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – G1 1/3, HR(7), R, RBI, K G2 1/4, K, .220/.718

9) Dominic Hamel RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP

13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) – 0/5, K, .220/.642

14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) – 1/4, 2B(5), 2 K, .183/.614

15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) – 2/5, R, .263/.778

16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP

17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) – 0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, K, 5.51

18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023

19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) – 1/4, R, .265/.718

20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) - DNP

21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP

22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023

23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

24) Josh Walker LHP (AAA Syracuse) - Injured Expected return 2022

25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Not sure if I agree with you. I think it is the way he expresses himself, and he does raise some fair substantive points about Dom's career average and lack of HRs. If you ignore the Teddy Bear sentence, there is a lot of substance to his post.

It's not just this post. He has a history of trying to get a rise out of people. Besides, I hear what he's saying, but the same can be said for JD or one time
Mets leader Conforto. I felt they never received the same level of criticism for performing at a similar level. At least Dom can play 1st and he's good at it. JD is a man without a position and now is struggling to hit. JD struggled last year too. Still, his spot is safe on the team. If all is fair both should feel the heat.

 

[Zak57]

JD shouldn't be safe either. The only thing he has going for him some underlying numbers at least showing he's hitting the ball hard which usually turns into hits. I'm ready to move on from both for Vientos and then if they flourish elsewhere so be it.

 

[willisneverrana43]

I'm not going to address you because you come on here with one purpose: to cause trouble. Every response is dripping with sarcasm and mockery.

That's, of course, your right, though there was an awful lot of detail and stats in that response. In the meantime, consider sending Dom a Teddy Bear. You never know.

 

[tico brown]

Geez, talk about gloom and doom. Are you a Mets fan, really? Not trying to be a prick{ your quote} but come on. Do we really need to see your "so far" always wrong tally of the Mets-Braves?

I was exposed to Doug Flynn, Greg Swann and that pitcher who’s hat always fell off after every pitch before my teenage years. That explains my doom and gloom.

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . . but the same can be said for JD or one time Mets leader Conforto. . . .

The same cannot be said for Conforto. Dom's lifetime stats are nowhere near his.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

JD shouldn't be safe either. The only thing he has going for him some underlying numbers at least showing he's hitting the ball hard which usually turns into hits. I'm ready to move on from both for Vientos and then if they flourish elsewhere so be it.

That's when he makes contact. My point is neither player is worth the weight in 💩. Both should feel pressure not just Dom.
I'm tired of the exit volo of JD's contact on balls. It doesn't happen enough to justify him sticking around. Dom was supposed to hit for average and some pop. He has neither now, so move on.

 

[willisneverrana43]

and that pitcher who’s hat always fell off after every pitch . . .

John Pacella. He needed a chin strap.

 

[Zak57]

That's when he makes contact. My point is neither player is worth the weight in 💩. Both should feel pressure not just Dom.
I'm tired of the exit volo of JD's contact on balls. It doesn't happen enough to justify him sticking around. Dom was supposed to hit for average and some pop. He has neither now, so move on.

Yeah both could be gone tonight and I'm good with it. The reluctance to see Vientos up here before the trade deadline is maddening.

 

[willisneverrana43]

The more level-headed analysis is that Smith is safer than JD because the Mets need a righty who can hit lefies, placing JD at serious risk, and Dom has at least shown a little bit this month, suggesting that the Mets might be more likely to settle on a trade for a righty who rakes against lefties if they can't get a better everyday DH.

 

[Knight Shift]

The same cannot be said for Conforto. Dom's lifetime stats are nowhere near his.

You sure about that? Quick look says that they are not far apart. Conforto's are better, not by a lot. And besides, Conforto was part of crowded outfield, and he was more expendable at the time, wasn't he?

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Complete career MLB stats for the Cincinnati Reds First Baseman Dominic Smith on ESPN. Includes games played, hits and home runs per MLB season.

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[RUfinally2008]

I was exposed to Doug Flynn, Greg Swann and that pitcher who’s hat always fell off after every pitch before my teenage years. That explains my doom and gloom.

I go back to Choo Choo Coleman and the 1962 Mets, your point isn't well taken. We don't need an update of the gloom and doom{glad you admitted it} standings, I get it, the Braves have closed the gap quickly, we can all pull up ESPN.com. I can see this exact same post in The Dead Zone, 😁 ⚾

 

[tico brown]

The more level-headed analysis is that Smith is safer than JD because the Mets need a righty who can hit lefies, placing JD at serious risk, and Dom has at least shown a little bit this month, suggesting that the Mets might be more likely to settle on a trade for a righty who rakes against lefties if they can't get a better everyday DH.

Why do I have a feeling that the Mets are going to get this generation’s Mike Bordick?

 

[tico brown]

I go back to Choo Choo Coleman and the 1962 Mets, your point isn't well taken.

👍🏼

 

[Zak57]

Conforto is an above average major league hitter while Smith barely is and only looks better thanks to the shortened 2020 season.

Conforto career wRC+ 124

Smith career wRC+ 103

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Conforto is an above average major league hitter while Smith barely is and only looks better thanks to the shortened 2020 season.

Conforto career wRC+ 124

Smith career wRC+ 103

Not for the last 2 years he wasn't. There's a reason no team jumped up to sign him before he and his agent saved face by coming up with a medical.

 

[FrankZ]

I go back to Choo Choo Coleman and the 1962 Mets, your point isn't well taken.

Yeah but you got to enjoy the Miracle Mets. Imagine being us young whipper snappers who got started with the dregs of Taveras, Flynn, etc. 🥲

 

[Zak57]

Not for the last 2 years he wasn't. There's a reason no team jumped up to sign him before he and his agent saved face by coming up with a medical.

Not really. Conforto still had a wrc+ of 106 last year while Dom was 86. For 2020 Dom had a 166 while Conforto was right there at 158. Conforto's worst year at the plate was 2016 and even then he was still better than most of Dom's career. Dom had a hot 2 months in 2020 and the rest of his career has been bad.

 

[tico brown]

I hate when the umps show up Mets players!!!!https://fb.watch/e6FnxJhR-F/ reminds me of Emmett Ashford, lol.

How about this umpire from the DR?

 

[willisneverrana43]

You sure about that? Quick look says that they are not far apart. Conforto's are better, not by a lot. And besides, Conforto was part of crowded outfield, and he was more expendable at the time, wasn't he?

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Dominic Smith Career Stats - MLB - ESPN

Complete career MLB stats for the Cincinnati Reds First Baseman Dominic Smith on ESPN. Includes games played, hits and home runs per MLB season.

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Pretty sure.

Conforto's career OPS: 824. Dom: 742
Conforto's career HRs per 162 games: 28. Dom: 17
Conforto's only 2 years older and has 75 more HRs and over 200 more rib eye stakes (cit. #17)
Conforto's career WAR: 15.7. Dom's: 0.6
etc.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Not really. Conforto still had a wrc+ of 106 last year while Dom was 86. For 2020 Dom had a 166 while Conforto was right there at 158. Conforto's worst year at the plate was 2016 and even then he was still better than most of Dom's career. Dom had a hot 2 months in 2020 and the rest of his career has been bad.

What you're saying is that this dwarf is taller than another. Neither performed as expected. One is gone and the other may follow soon.

 

[Zak57]

What you're saying is that this dwarf is taller than another. Neither performed as expected. One is gone and the other may follow soon.

No Conforto just had a bad year and is going to bounce back next season like McNeil has this season.

Dom is just not good. Davis is just not good.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Yeah but you got to enjoy the Miracle Mets. Imagine being us young whipper snappers who got started with the dregs of Taveras, Flynn, etc. 🥲

I can feel your pain. I often feel guilty raising my two sons, 36 and 33 as Mets fans. I've subjected them to a life full of baseball pain and disappointment, lol

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Not really. Conforto still had a wrc+ of 106 last year while Dom was 86. For 2020 Dom had a 166 while Conforto was right there at 158. Conforto's worst year at the plate was 2016 and even then he was still better than most of Dom's career. Dom had a hot 2 months in 2020 and the rest of his career has been bad.

Why are you rolling out the comparison to Dom stats. That's not what my post was about. None of what you said makes Conforto an above average major league hitter his last 2 years with the Mets. They were very mediocre.

 

[Zak57]

Why are you rolling out the comparison to Dom stats. That's not what my post was about. None of what you said makes Conforto an above average major league hitter his last 2 years with the Mets. They were very mediocre.

Taking Dom out.

Conforto has been an average to above average major league hitter every year but 2016. 2020 was not a mediocre 2 months for Conforto, he was excellent with the bat. Expectations were high for him last year and he was average plain and simple. I chalk that up to a guy pressing too much in a contract year. Someone will get him at below market value next year and end up very happy about it. I like wrc+ a ton better but even using OPS+ here is Conforto's career.

2015 - 130
2016 - 95
2017 - 148
2018 - 122
2019 - 127
2020 - 154
2021- 100

 

[Knight Shift]

No Conforto just had a bad year and is going to bounce back next season like McNeil has this season.

Dom is just not good. Davis is just not good.

How is Conforto going to bounce back if nobody picks him up?

 

[Doctor Worm]

How is Conforto going to bounce back if nobody picks him up?

Conforto will be signed for next year within two weeks from now. Teams are waiting until after the draft so they won't have to forfeit a pick.

 

[willisneverrana43]

How is Conforto going to bounce back if nobody picks him up?

Brandon Drury, Dom Smith and Matt Reynolds have jobs.

Someone is going to sign Conforto for next year, possibly many will try, with the only uncertainty being his recovery from his shoulder surgery.