Remember when we went 9-4 with Flood?

[RU2055]

I posted here then and said we were in trouble. People laughed. Because most people only look at what happens on the field. They only care about the score. Wins and Losses.

Well, in the same way that people were too small minded not to see that we were in fact trending down even though we won nine games, the same thinking fails to see that we are actually trending up with only two wins. We are without a doubt in a much better place today than one year ago. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. Laugh. The same way you did back in 2012.

 

[MADHAT1]

 

[RedSpartan]

I posted here then and said we were in trouble. People laughed. Because most people only look at what happens on the field. They only care about the score. Wins and Losses.

Well, in the same way that people were too small minded not to see that we were in fact trending down even though we won nine games, the same thinking fails to see that we are actually trending up with only two wins. We are without a doubt in a much better place today than one year ago. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. Laugh. The same way you did back in 2012.

 

[TMCB]

With schiano players

 

[MADHAT1]

I think ( not me) what you said was said by many on this board and some claimed Flood would kill the program from the day Kyle was hired.
I was a Flood defender until the middle of last year so not going to ask for a pat on the back, when kick in butt is more appropriate.

 

[sct1111]

That team should have been at least 11-2 with all of that defensive talent.

 

[RUskoolie]

Thanks for ruining my night OP.

SEVEN NFL DRAFT PICKS that year

No West Virginia on the schedule

TWO CHANCES to win the Big East outright

That's what he inherited...and think of how he left the program...

Now think that we still have jackasses on here who defend Flood and bash Ash for not being able to turn the program around in 10 months.

 

[jtung230]

I posted here then and said we were in trouble. People laughed. Because most people only look at what happens on the field. They only care about the score. Wins and Losses.

Well, in the same way that people were too small minded not to see that we were in fact trending down even though we won nine games, the same thinking fails to see that we are actually trending up with only two wins. We are without a doubt in a much better place today than one year ago. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. Laugh. The same way you did back in 2012.

Trending up? The difference between that year and this year or last year was the OC. We went from a real coach to a bunch of 1st timers. It is not trending up.

 

[letterman]

The problem most fans are having is even though they thought a change in coaching was necessary due to all the off the field stuff, no one signed on for the season we just had....no one. You can't tell me that anyone would have predicted this fiasco. Blame it on flood if it makes you feel better, but no one expected this ,and hat includes dobbs. We are stuck with this mess for the next 3-4 yrs, so quit bitching .

 

[RU31trap]

I posted here then and said we were in trouble. People laughed. Because most people only look at what happens on the field. They only care about the score. Wins and Losses.

Well, in the same way that people were too small minded not to see that we were in fact trending down even though we won nine games, the same thinking fails to see that we are actually trending up with only two wins. We are without a doubt in a much better place today than one year ago. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. Laugh. The same way you did back in 2012.

Another Rutgers fan suffering from BFS (Battered Fan Syndrome). Of course we're trending up there's nowhere else to go.

 

[miker183]

I thought we would take a step forward. I was way too optimistic about the incoming staff versus the old staff. Having said that, I cannot believe the lack of talent that Flood left behind. Apparently, "under the radar kids" meant, if I go after some others, I might have to fight with other coaches to get them.

For the Jersey kids that stayed home, I think it was a true sense of Jersey pride, and not buying into a Flood vision. I think Flood was a nice guy, never intending to harm the program, but as a Head Coach? Not so much. Last time I'll even bring it up, but I do think Ash will be better for us long term. I do however, want him to evaluate his own staff and see if those chosen are the best options. There is sometimes a problem if one is TOO loyal.

 

[MikeR0102]

Remember when we got blown out on 3 straight homecomings?

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Thanks for ruining my night OP.

SEVEN NFL DRAFT PICKS that year

No West Virginia on the schedule

TWO CHANCES to win the Big East outright

That's what he inherited...and think of how he left the program...

Now think that we still have jackasses on here who defend Flood and bash Ash for not being able to turn the program around in 10 months.

I remember a thread on the mainboard after that draft in which guys were talking about how many players their team were drafted. Someone posted that Rutgers had 7, and of course people were surprised. I still remember one poster's question, since it wasn't the usual dickish style of commentary--he simply wrote, "Rutgers had seven? Why didn't they do better?"

I never forgot that, because he was right. Seven players drafted, we weren't in the B1G, and we went 8-4 in the regular season. I think Nova was a sophomore then so we had QB problems, but we had enough weapons on offense to make up for that. It's like ever since McNulty was poached by Arizona (NFL), the offense, even under Schiano, went downhill, with a brief uptick under Fridge when Laviano was either a junior or senior.

 

[RU848789]

I remember a thread on the mainboard after that draft in which guys were talking about how many players their team were drafted. Someone posted that Rutgers had 7, and of course people were surprised. I still remember one poster's question, since it wasn't the usual dickish style of commentary--he simply wrote, "Rutgers had seven? Why didn't they do better?"

I never forgot that, because he was right. Seven players drafted, we weren't in the B1G, and we went 8-4 in the regular season. I think Nova was a sophomore then so we had QB problems, but we had enough weapons on offense to make up for that. It's like ever since McNulty was poached by Arizona (NFL), the offense, even under Schiano, went downhill, with a brief uptick under Fridge when Laviano was either a junior or senior.

We went 9-3 in the regular season after that gaudy 7-0 start and even a nice 9-1 start - the implosion against a mediocre Pitt team and the heartbreaking loss against Ville with a one legged QB that we didn't pressure enough for some reason (and even then, we should've won, if not for that phantom ineligible OL call on the perfect fake FG TD) killed what should've been a championship season with great talent left by Schiano. And the loss to VT in the bowl game was depressing...

 

[RUinOhio]

Thanks for dredging up bad memories.....I have to travel for any game I go to obviously. The Pitt and Louisville games were heat breakers, then BLOW the bowl game vs Va Tech. I wanted Flood to get stranded in Florida after that game. I was like WTF am I doing driving to Florida for this crap! Like many others here. A real coach and the ceiling was so much higher that season.

Thanks for ruining my night OP.

SEVEN NFL DRAFT PICKS that year

No West Virginia on the schedule

TWO CHANCES to win the Big East outright

That's what he inherited...and think of how he left the program...

Now think that we still have jackasses on here who defend Flood and bash Ash for not being able to turn the program around in 10 months.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

The Kent State game was the 1st sign that things were not right. He was a terrible HC.
The massive decommits proved he was a terrible recruiter.
When those two things happen, I think people knew we were doomed, not firing him at that point was digging ourselves a larger and deeper hole and it would just make it harder and harder for the next HC to fix it.

People keep holding on to the "but, he is a nice guy" bit.

The off the field problems killed that one as well.

 

[RUaMoose]

Thanks for dredging up bad memories.....I have to travel for any game I go to obviously. The Pitt and Louisville games were heat breakers, then BLOW the bowl game vs Va Tech. I wanted Flood to get stranded in Florida after that game. I was like WTF am I doing driving to Florida for this crap! Like many others here. A real coach and the ceiling was so much higher that season.

That game was right up there, or down there, with the 2008 Sun Bowl, Oregon State 3, Pitt 0. Unwatchable unless you like punts.

 

[RU848789]

The Kent State game was the 1st sign that things were not right. He was a terrible HC.
The massive decommits proved he was a terrible recruiter.
When those two things happen, I think people knew we were doomed, not firing him at that point was digging ourselves a larger and deeper hole and it would just make it harder and harder for the next HC to fix it.

People keep holding on to the "but, he is a nice guy" bit.

The off the field problems killed that one as well.

C'mon, no way could you have fired him after a 9-4 season. That's just silly. However, after a dismal year 2, at 6-6 against a weak schedule, with recruits staying away in droves, could've been the time to fire him. Two more years and his failure was complete.

 

[rubaseball78]

I posted here then and said we were in trouble. People laughed. Because most people only look at what happens on the field. They only care about the score. Wins and Losses.

Well, in the same way that people were too small minded not to see that we were in fact trending down even though we won nine games, the same thinking fails to see that we are actually trending up with only two wins. We are without a doubt in a much better place today than one year ago. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. Laugh. The same way you did back in 2012.

I'm not sure I would go as far as saying trending up just yet. If recruiting class holds, yes trending up. Hopefully we have at least bottomed out.

 

[ATIOH]

OP, here's what you've previously wrote:

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/regardless-of-the-qb-choices-im-optimistic-for-a-much-better-than-expected-year.102458/#post-2258717

6-6 would be considered a bad year for Ash. Expectations and standards are a lot higher now .... fans cannot seem to grasp this.
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https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/realistic-first-year-ru-wins-a-big-10-football-title.71953/#post-1479408

Bowl game in 2016
New Year's Bowl by 2020
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https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/bailey-had-offers-from-2-division-ii-schools.72253/page-3#post-1488623

I am predicting Aguodosi, Tsimis, Grant and Patton to have career years in Mehringer's offense​

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/hate-to-say-it-but-this-feels-like-a-flood-coached-game.105528/page-3#post-2319213

You guys want an indicator in how to judge Ash, here's one. (...) If by the 5th game, guys like Goodwin ... are still playing, then by all means - bash away at Chris Ash.​

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/can-we-sweep-all-home-games-this-year.86052/#post-1840296

I can see us winning 5 out of the seven home games.
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[ATIOH]

we still have jackasses on here who defend Flood

Is this a Round Table thing? I constantly hear rumors of crazy posters defending Flood, but I haven't seen any on the free board.

 

[cicero grimes]

Remember the Garden State Bowl? I said we were trending down after that but no one listened.

 

[BlockR]

FLOOD,with his lazy half ass recruiting,his let the players do whatever they want attitude,is the main reason the program is in the mess its at today.KYLE FLOOD..not Schiano,not ASH,Kyle Flood..is the reason.
Will Ash be able to rebuild the progam to compete in B10 east,is a question not answered.So far jury is out based upon little progress seen as individual improvement on field this season.

 

[willisneverrana43]

From my point of view, Flood was on probation the moment he was hired and had to prove himself very quickly. Why? Because his resume showed him to be waaaaaayyyyyy unqualified for the position. Not one other school would have hired Flood as its head coach. Not one. And now that RU had to execute his inevitable firing, things are where they started. Not one school would hire him as its head coach.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Is this a Round Table thing? I constantly hear rumors of crazy posters defending Flood, but I haven't seen any on the free board.

I have seen tons including starting whole threads about how much better we would have been if Flood was still here, how Flood must be laughing now at everyone who wanted him fired., etc.

If you missed those, if so, lucky you.

 

[Debtbubble]

Schiano was available and we hired this guy. Time will tell.

 

[RUBigFrank]

I do believe we are better now - if Ash adjusts and can retain this recruiting class.

Do I think that we would have had a better season with Flood this year - yes since he is an experienced game day coach - lets be clear this staff is learning on the job.

Flood was guilty of some foolish and well noted off the field mistakes - but in his defense-

He had to recruit during a public relations nightmare that included Mike Rice, PR idiocy from Barchi and bad PR from Herman that the media never let go.

If all recall he put together a nice recruiting class - that eventually decommitted to other schools.

If Ash suffers the same level of decommits is it fair to say he can't recruit?

 

[RedSpartan]

If all recall he put together a nice recruiting class - that eventually decommitted to other schools.

Then he didn't really put together a nice recruiting class, did he?

 

[MADHAT1]

Remember the Garden State Bowl? I said we were trending down after that but no one listened.

Good for you, here's your pat on the back :chairshot:[banana][laughing]
Seems like no one's willing to pat me on the back for what I said on
November 12th , 1869 : "Lose the game tomorrow and don't expect to see Rutgers in a bowl game for over 100 years"

 

[MADHAT1]

RUBigFrank said: ↑
If all recall he put together a nice recruiting class - that eventually decommitted to other schools.

Then he didn't really put together a nice recruiting class, did he?

The same might be said of Ash if there are more decommits and they're not replaced by similar or better talent.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

RUBigFrank said: ↑
If all recall he put together a nice recruiting class - that eventually decommitted to other schools..

Because of Flood's actions, once he started to strong arm students and threatening to pull offers, word got out and they all decommited in bunches soon after that.

So far, Ash's 4 star recruits are still all in and we make get 2-3 more good players including another 4 star in the coming weeks.

We shall see what happens.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I posted here then and said we were in trouble. People laughed. Because most people only look at what happens on the field. They only care about the score. Wins and Losses.

Well, in the same way that people were too small minded not to see that we were in fact trending down even though we won nine games, the same thinking fails to see that we are actually trending up with only two wins. We are without a doubt in a much better place today than one year ago. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. Laugh. The same way you did back in 2012.

Many of us knew this. Many of us were shot down. Some of us were banned because others here didn't want to hear the truth about Kyle Flood.

 

[RUich]

Yeah, it took Flood and company almost the entire season to overcome Schiano's plans. Once they did though, the wins stopped.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

@RU2055 check out this thread. There's a poster attempting to claim that nobody ever pointed out the talent issues while Flood was here NOR at the beginning of the season. Hysterical!

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...st-team-in-all-cfb.114195/page-2#post-2492036

 

[NotInRHouse]

Wanted Flood gone in 2013 but not sure we are trending up...we set a D1 record in most punts in a season...

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Wanted Flood gone in 2013 but not sure we are trending up...we set a D1 record in most punts in a season...

agree 100%

 

[MADHAT1]

Because of Flood's actions, once he started to strong arm students and threatening to pull offers, word got out and they all decommited in bunches soon after that.

So far, Ash's 4 star recruits are still all in and we make get 2-3 more good players including another 4 star in the coming weeks.

We shall see what happens.

Agree Flood pushed their buttons and helped them decide to go someplace else.
But if Ash, for any reason, loses enough recruits to make the class of 2017 a failure compared to what it looks like now, he's in the same recruiting category as Flood was.

Not saying he will be a failure as a recruiter and have a lot of decommits from the class of 2017, only saying we shouldn't say he a great recruiter yet. But can say Ash seems to have the recruiting ability Rutgers needs if all the commits' LOIs get signed.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Wanted Flood gone in 2013 but not sure we are trending up...we set a D1 record in most punts in a season...

We aren't trending up yet. But discipline and work ethic have been restored in the culture of the program. A few more bad apples need to be weeded out over the next year or so but they likely will by attrition. Much like in the movie Necessary Roughness, this season was victory because there were no major off the field issues with current players or coaching staff. We would have to go back at least 4 or more years to find a football season like that.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Who did "MYHAT" used to be? Very, very familiar thinks-he knows-better style of posting, ability to forget prior conversations, and inability to admit when he's wrong. Hmmmmm....:eyes:

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . . Flood was guilty of some foolish and well noted off the field mistakes - but in his defense-

He had to recruit during a public relations nightmare that included Mike Rice, PR idiocy from Barchi and bad PR from Herman that the media never let go.
. . . ?

Flood had the best recruiting context of any football coach in the history of RU. By far. He was in the B1G. Yet his recruiting was way worse than his predecessor, who recruited much better classes amidst a crumbling second-tier conference, the Big East. As his resume indicated, Flood just wasn't the man for the job. And, at least for a year or two, RU is left almost completely with a roster he compiled.