Committee Chair on Mad Dog Radio-best answer on why no RU
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The comment from the Chairman about how we played "when we saw them" is crazy. When did you see them? In the first half of the UM game at home? The second half of the PSU game? The first half of the NW game? The first 35 mins of the Minny game? The first round of the tourney? The second vs. #4 in the country Purdue.
I am NOT saying there was plenty of stink out there at times but this is BS. They looked for reasons to get us in...there were PLENTY. And Did anybody ask about the OSU consideration?
NFW..they wanted to reason to exclude and not include.
I do think Nevada's inclusion was partially a bone throw to the mid majors since the rest of the mid major world shit the bed this year. Like that's a small part of it, but a contributing factor. They didn't want Dayton to be four major conference teams.
Nah.
I’d go
FDU
Rider
Princeton
Monmouth.
Those are your locks (should be).
Gavitt.
UNC/Duke
Gonzaga
Kansas
UCLA
Kentucky
That’s what you do. And you play all those games on the road. And you tell the committee to eat your ass if they leave you out.
Losing doesn’t matter to big names. It only matters to cupcakes.
If Mawot Mag sprains his ankle instead of tearing his ACL and may have been available in the tournament, does that change their analysis?
I just don’t get why he’d choose this talking point. It’s incredibly dumb and there are so many other less stupid things he could have pointed to.
I know you're kind of kidding but you don't want to push too far in this direction either. If you play a tough enough schedule you can end up at like 16-15 while being the 30th best team and get left out b/c people can't look past the overall record.
See: Michigan, just this year. (Losing one of the cupcakes didn't help)
I’m serious but I’m not.
You can swap UNC/Duke with like a Wake or something like that or Clemson etc.
But seriously. Load up on heavyweights. If you go 1-4 who gives a fvck? Committee is going to value that 1 win more than the 4 losses.
I was of the opinion that how you play should matter, but apparently losing by 20+ doesn’t matter as long as you play like dogshit against a good team. So why not I guess
A 7-4 non conference means we need 11 wins at a minimum the rest of the way. We've seen how little they care about the conference tournament so we're taking 11-9 in the Big Ten. How confident are you that we can hit that?
Even with that. This team is built on defense. If we play 10 top 10 teams, we will get lit up once MAYBE twice.
Rest of them will be close games.
I can hear the selection chair already “well their overall record was underwhelming, but they really kept it close with the top teams multiple times! We think they’re going to be a very dangerous 3 seed”
NCAA is a joke.
Temple, SHU and Nebraska all had multiple wins against the field. All Q3 losses are not the same. Granted, Minnesota was a bad loss, but every one of the bubble teams that got in had ugly losses either to bad teams or getting blown out by 25-30 pts.
The fact is that we solved the NET last year when Pike left in our guys to hammer teams. Now we need to work the OOC SOS. Teams like Utah St have a better OOC and played no one with a heart beat. You don’t need to play Gonzaga and UNC OOC, we simply need to play teams that are slightly less crappy than who we played.
The fact is that we solved the NET last year when Pike left in our guys to hammer teams. Now we need to work the OOC SOS. Teams like Utah St have a better OOC and played no one with a heart beat. You don’t need to play Gonzaga and UNC OOC, we simply need to play teams that are slightly less crappy than who we played.
I mostly think it's the opposite of this and regardless of what people say there is a bias towards teams with better winning percentages. For a major conference team, weaker OOC is good. Ideally it would be a LITTLE stronger, just so it doesn't stick out on the team sheet (like, try to get it out of the 300s). But super strong OOC is a bad idea imo.
By the way who was Pitt's big non conference win? At Northwestern? The same Northwestern we also beat on the road? What does it matter whether it happened in or out of conference play?
Their second best non conference win was North Florida. Nevada getting in is dumb but Pitt is just as bad.
Their second best non conference win was North Florida. Nevada getting in is dumb but Pitt is just as bad.
Okay then I hope the Big Ten is by far the best conference like the Big 12 was this year.
Every team that isn’t a 1 or 2 seed has blemishes. We have ours. But the teams that got in over us had MUCH bigger blemishes. Many of them didn’t beat good teams…like the teams you face in the tournament. We did.
The committee used our small blemish and made it the whole enchilada. The committee sucks.
Did either beat a 1 seed on the road?
Northwestern was also picked to finish at the bottom of the conference this year so I don’t think Pittsburgh scheduled this game with the intention that this would be a chance at a signature non conference win.
If you're explicitly considering non resume stuff like the Mag injury then you have to consider the Ohio State game. The more I think about this the dumber it is.
they are rewarding conference mark in acc....see last year with Notre Dame 15-5. Pitt was near or at the top of acc much of year...14-6. Conference record isnt suppose to matter but it does...its real as is the acc bias...look at their seeding. Uva weak resume 4, Miami and Duke 5s
its the 7th rated conference
Big non conference wins is not the main issue with non conf sched.
End of day this is a committee that represents the entire NCAA population that is supposed to give equal access to teams or as close as you can get.
They are telling some of these high major conferences beforehand that they need to schedule that next tier of conferences in on conf schedule and they cannot just schedule Q4 and leverage their conference strength of schedule and shut other contenders out.
This is a simple requirement from the comittee, like a 100 level lecture hall gen Ed class that says you when to show up to class for 20% of your grade.
There is no excuse not to fix the non conf sched and Pike spitting in the committees face every offseason doesn’t help.
And the practical by product is you leave yourself little margin for error and when you lose games your supposed to win you SOR takes a big hit (would’ve been worst in the field).
Unfortunately as much as people like to think wins against NW Penn St and Indiana etc are ingredients to an impressive Q1 record, they are not the quality of Q1 wins people think they are to make up for an unprecedented number of Q3 losses.
Last year we have 4 high Q1 wins to make up for horrible losses and we were the biggest outlier bid getter the tournament had seen in the new format. This year we tried to pull a fast one again without the wins to save us.
Let's add Central Michigan and Evansville and Maine to the Big 10 and tip the scales back in our favor.
NC State got a bye with 1 Q1 win and a non conference SOS nearly as bad as ours.
It's not even true though. We could schedule the bottom 11 teams, beat them all by 40, go 12-8 in conference for an overall record of 23-8 (12-8) and be absolutely fine. JUST STOP LOSING TO TEMPLE AND SHU (or some equivalent early season stumble) every year.
Well no it’s true, we happens to also loose more games than we were supposed to that other teams didn’t lose as muc.
So.. what you're saying is you don't have to schedule better if you don't lose 4 Q3 games?
Cause that's what I'm saying too!
NC State getting a bye might be just as outrageous as us being left out. I can't get my head around it.
They had home wins vs Miami and Duke. I see nothing else even remotely impressive on their resume. Congrats on getting blown out by Kansas I guess? And Clemson in the ACCT which apparently doesn't count towards a resume.
(We didn't get blown out by anyone, by the way).
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